Hope this was none of you guys...

[mill_mobile]

If it was, what the hell were you thinking?
http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,22835086-5005940,00.html

[bourbon]

woah damnnnnn!

[skitz]

i just thought i would add this was not me ;)

but thats really bad.... i would of expected more than a license suspension for that hey....

[Smikey]

I don't think that's the end of it. The suspension happens immediately and then the court stuff happens?

[pr1mo]

ahh its tassie comonnn. the judge and defendant will realise theyre both eachothers uncles and it will all be settled over a keg of cascade. :P

[Rupewrecht]

ahh its tassie comonnn. the judge and defendant will realise theyre both eachothers uncles and it will all be settled over a keg of cascade. :P

...caught travelling at almost three times the speed limit in Sydney's south.

geez mike.

[skitz]

ahh its tassie comonnn. the judge and defendant will realise theyre both eachothers uncles and it will all be settled over a keg of cascade. :P

thats so bad hahaha

[pr1mo]

haha sif people actually read things thesedays :P

[mill_mobile]

Yeah, i reckon more will happen than the suspension.
If it doesnt i'd say they will be a repeat offender.

[RedLineResident]

thats not so bad. worse has been done.

that would have sucked if that was me, luckaly it wasn't, phew.

[Putonyourshoes]

i got told of a pplater clocked at 230 in his dads mustang on the way to wollongong a few months ago. his dad never knew he took it out until the police took him home

[rodhog]

all I can say is typical. Plus Dill.

I mean back 20 years ago thaty road - well a reason - everyone who knows it knows Cops love it HA HA LOL

God how stupid

[Hebz]

137 isn't THAT bad. . . . but in a 50Km zone. . .

Wow.

What a tool

Heb

[bourbon]

137 is that bad...no matter where..unless in the middle of australia where you have no speed limits...137 in a 50zone will result in loss of licence after a court case...i say for at least 2 years...

[KittyKatSmack]

Speaking of no speed zones, I was suggesting to Aaron we have an AGT Annual Meet there as there are no speed limits to worry about, and guess what......

They've put up speed limits :(

bugger!

[bourbon]

damned it... last time i talked to one of our customers in NT they travelled to work everyday on the highway on there bike at about 250km/h the whole way...

[89sp1.8]

hmm very stupid thing to do..luckily they were caught..if not might have ended in worse situation.

[rodhog]

137 is that bad...no matter where..unless in the middle of australia where you have no speed limits...137 in a 50zone will result in loss of licence after a court case...i say for at least 2 years...

nah first offence $1300 fine 45km/h - it will depend if they can prove neglagent driving probelry won't it will be in and out 1 hour appearance.

if 2nd offence maybe different but doubt it - solicitor if he is smart will get him standard fine - 9month suspension of licence or 1 year.

back in the day it was heres the Now F-off. but because of media beat up and too many P-platers having accidents insurance company pressure etc.

I mean when I started that Fine 45km/h came with only a 3 month automatic suspension that on P's with 6 points meant a 6 months suspension for loosing all oyur points - NO good behaviour period either

now its automatic 6 or 9 month can't remember.

[zappy65]

yeah if he lost his license he could have at least done it right....lol bah 13lkm/h what a joke...lol

[pr1mo]

as of 1/01/07 NT now has had speed limits 140kmh on highways

[Cincinnatus]

as of 1/01/07 NT now has had speed limits 140kmh on highways

i thought that was a recomendation rather then a a limit?

[pr1mo]

nah it is law now. i remeber seeing it on the news on the 2nd of jan this year. there were lots of annoyed people.

[FEM]

ahh its tassie comonnn. the judge and defendant will realise theyre both eachothers uncles and it will all be settled over a keg of cascade. :P

HAHAHAHAH, so truuuue!

137 isnt that fast guys.... i know of lots of 50 zones where 150+ is "safe"

[SehnKhan]

No such thing as safe 150 in a 50 zone.

It's 50 for a reason, whether it's pedestrian traffic in the area, size of the road, black spots, accident zones, residential, industrial... the list goes on. At 150, that small child running onto the road is just a blur. That animal you strike is just a blur. That lifted drain cover that you hit and unsettle the car dramatically is just a blur.

No such thing as safe 150 in a 50 zone, that's just plain irresponsible.

Save that kind of thing for the track. It'll cost you less then the fine. And you'll be less likely to kill someone else.

[rodhog]

actually if any of you know or knew the road - you would say it's safer on one section but not in another but at the end of the day it's not safe.

Not such thing as safe speeding they say, yet be realistic - everybody just about does speed. except in QLD where they sit on the speed limit in Right hand Lane down a 5 lane highway, AND THEY WONDER WHY THE REST OF THE COUNTRY CALLS THEM SLOW

Facts are the person was speeding. From what I heard as well it was BA hatch- if that's true well? I know of few in my area but I don't know if they would be on here.

[RedLineResident]

s**t happens.

he did the crime,

he will pay the fine. and lose his licence etc, etc

there is too many variables, every situation is unique, hence no one can say whether something is safe or unsafe.

driving in general is unsafe, everytime we get in a car we are taking on a certain amount of risk that comes with it. The way we drive and the speed we do together with the circumstnace will alter that risk factor.

hence: driver, car, road, time, surrounding etc all play a factor.

im guilty of doing slightly incorrect things, but at the time as well as now it doesn't seem as great a risk as it sounds, why?

because of the unique circumstance.


this post will be crusified because we are all goodie goodies when someone else doesn't do the right thing. I say no one is perfect, therefore we have no right to judge.

[Putonyourshoes]

theres only one place to do those sorts of speeds.. on the track..
i would rather spend 100 bucks on a track day then the rest of my life miserable for killing someone..
there is no safe place to speed.. there are speed limits for a reason

[GISS-90BG]

I dunno, speeding is so circumstantial. I'm sure theres times that most, if not all, of you have exceeded the speed limit and would swear that it was in not overly unsafe, compared with the suggested speed anyway.

I spose the point is, going faster is MORE dangerous. Regardless of whether its 1kmph over, or 100. Fact is, you take longer to stop, cover more ground before you react and handling is worse. Just have to really think about the risks involved and whether its worth it. 9/10 times, it's not.

But yeah, 137 in a 50 is pretty ludicrous. Especially if there was giveways on that road. Even though its your right of way, at almost 3x the speed limit, it completely throws the judgment of drivers crossing the giveways.

[DavoAust]

i resent the QLD drivers are slow cheap shot, just cause we aren't crazy like you lots from below the border doesn't mean we're slow. anyone who knows the gateway can attest to the nutters that speed down it..

[mill_mobile]

I admit to going a stupid speed in a 50 zone, not 3x the limit though (no where near that)... it felt rather unsafe and i will never do it again - i have no idea why i did it - nothing happened thankfully but i would not risk it again.
I response to the 'everyone speeds' comments - i dont speed at all (anymore) - it took me too long to get my licence and i dont plan on losing it anytime soon - living without it would be impossible/depressing to me as i couldnt go to the beach and couldnt be independant - it would suck hardcore.
J

[Cincinnatus]

theres a very good reason why you shouldn't be doing 150 in a 50 zone! I can sooner condone and very easily forgive someone doing 200 on a highway with NO SIDE ROADS only on and off ramps in the middle of the night with no taffic.

And theres the crux, it might seem like a good surface, long straight "safe" road, but if it's 50 then there are side streets. I'll grant that at every interesection it's your right of way, but at such speeds it doesn't matter, the person cutting you off will never see you coming, and if he does, he'll go anyway seeing as you are so far off, he's an old fart and can't judge speed at such distances or one of thousands of women whom blaze through give way/stops signs every day.

So in a 50 zone, go 50, maybe 60, but damn it, not 130+. Bloody idiot.

[Cincinnatus]

s**t happens.

he did the crime,

he will pay the fine. and lose his licence etc, etc

there is too many variables, every situation is unique, hence no one can say whether something is safe or unsafe.

driving in general is unsafe, everytime we get in a car we are taking on a certain amount of risk that comes with it. The way we drive and the speed we do together with the circumstnace will alter that risk factor.

hence: driver, car, road, time, surrounding etc all play a factor.

im guilty of doing worse than that poor kid, but at the time as well as now it doesn't seem as great a risk as it sounds, why?

because of the unique circumstance.


this post will be crusified because we are all goodie goodies when someone else doesn't do the right thing. I say no one is perfect, therefore we have no right to judge.


Buddy, you might notice that not many people around here admit to too many infringments even though most of us have done 'em,

Reason being, how hard do you think it is for cops or insurance company reps to find these web pages, see your posts and find out who you are?!?

Very very stupid, and just so you know, it's completly admissible in court. Maybe ask the mod to remove your post or you edit all the silly admissions out of it.
Lest the Crucifixion come from a truly unwanted source.

[RedLineResident]

yeah i know, but i could be trying to make a point and not really have done anything. in which case neither you ro the cops can know if this is true,

i may just be trying so sound cool, again no way of knowing.

so i have given no specifics, like road, time and speed.
and at the end of the day it may be true and i may be full of it. hence ive admited to nothing in particular, no one should have a leg to stand on against me

[bourbon]

thats not what he is saying...you writin it in words...it can be used against you in court......

[RedLineResident]

is that right...?

i wouldn't have thought that something like that could be taken as serious evidence.

seeing as how it is not a signed confession and there is absolutelly nothing physical to back it up, it kinda doesn't make sense. It is basically an aligation which i can turn around to and say, "well that was a brag, or i was tryin to change the flow of the conversation by trying not single out the poor p-plater. the guy would be hating it enough as is, no need for all of us to sort of bag him more. I can see my self being in his shoes and i would hate to be alone, you need someone to stand on your side" - and that is actually the dead set truth.

at the end of the day its the truth.

i mean we've all admited to speeding on these forums at one point or another, does that mean we will get a random speeding fine for havin said that? There is no grounds on which i can see it proven.

Espcially seeing how it was a false statement anyways :)

[bourbon]

no were not sayin that at all...

[RedLineResident]

i know man, but do you understand where im coming from?

It seems so hard to prove someting like this. and if it is to prove it just by saying, well you posted that on a car forum,

well honestly i think thats pretty crap, and that is some sad police work. I have respect for what cops do and all of that but if they really do hold people responsible on what tehy post on car forums, i find that a bit low and not really substantial enough to be able to hold someone responsible with.

[bourbon]

i bet you havnt heard the court case were a guy in court was in there on a murder case who was innocent...he was sayin these words in the terms of asking a question... I KILLED HIM? I KILLED HIM? (like ie. you think i killed him?) and it was done on the whole script of everythin that gets said at court...and then the jury in the back room went through and re-read the script and he was found guilty of it cause there is no feeling or mood or expression on word on paper...

and in this case...word on internet and forums...

[RedLineResident]

well obviously not...

weirder things have happened i guess.

poor guy.

[DavoAust]

redline, as long as you have written it its admissiable in court as evidence, i can't remember what its called but they would use it if you had been charged with speeding or similar to try to show that you had previously done it and had no regard for speed limits etc.

don't forget that cops can trump up charges that are ridiculous, such as the ones against a QLD member which just weren't even possible in his car yet he lost his license..

[Cincinnatus]

and lastly, for all you peeps out there, a positive reply sent from your email address is accepted as a signature in every court in the land and beyond. You say it here, in your user name, it's dogma. I'm glad you edited it.

[GISS-90BG]

Spose it's not very likely Miki, but it is possible. /shrug

They convicted that dude in the 180 that drove defected and posted it on the forum in WA. Advancement of Law Enforcing technology and procedures is a bit scary really. Makes me think that in, say, 20 years. It will be impossible to speed at all in a built up area. Will be speed cameras, red light cameras and CCTV cameras watching all the time. Good and bad, I spose.

[RedLineResident]

yeah but he was a tool who bragged about it and explained everything in detail, how thick could one be. he deserved that, the way he was done is a bit underhanded but in all reality he had that coming anyways.

[GISS-90BG]

True story, but it proves that it happens.

[RedLineResident]

yeah i know. but only in extre cases like his where;

- he got pulled over
- defected
- sent home

- then he though he would be clever and peal the sticker off
- stay there, drive around etc
- go home in the morning and brag about his law breaking ordeal in great detail

- he was already on record
- the cop could testify that he had defected him etc
- and he dug himself a hole, too much agaisnt him plus his own confession

so as you can see its a different circumstance. he was specific, and besides nissansilvia.com don't have the best reputation.

have you ever cruised with those guys, its impossible. They do like 110km/h through town, bugger that.

[Dogo]

and lastly, for all you peeps out there, a positive reply sent from your email address is accepted as a signature in every court in the land and beyond

WTF ?? thats so full of sh!t.

The email address in an email is sent as part of the message - contained in the header line marked by "From :" or "Sender :"

Anyone can put anything they want in there - it has no solid connection to your email account

Try it yourself, in Outlook / Thunderbird / iMail whatever you use, change the email address in the account settings to something else and send an email to yourself. It should appear to be sent by the email you put in.

As per the Internet Message Format RFC 2822
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-3.6.2

[Cincinnatus]

WTF ?? thats so full of sh!t.

The email address in an email is sent as part of the message - contained in the header line marked by "From :" or "Sender :"

Anyone can put anything they want in there - it has no solid connection to your email account

Try it yourself, in Outlook / Thunderbird / iMail whatever you use, change the email address in the account settings to something else and send an email to yourself. It should appear to be sent by the email you put in.

As per the Internet Message Format RFC 2822
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-3.6.2


Before you get on your high horse and swear any more do a little reading, your computer has an IP address, even if it's a rolling one, which is recorded every time you send an email. Not to mention inside the message code is a record of where & when it's from. That aint no bullshi!t whatsoever. It's the easiest thing in the world to trace, Y? Because it was designed thast way from inseption. Email wasn't invented so you could flirt with random chicks, look it up and you'll find emails were started as bills of sales.
Changing user name and email address count for squadush because of your IP address, rolling or static. Everythig is so easily traceable. Again, because it was designed to be.

[Cincinnatus]

Makes me think that in, say, 20 years. It will be impossible to speed at all in a built up area. Will be speed cameras, red light cameras and CCTV cameras watching all the time. Good and bad, I spose.

Check your circuits son, CCTV is being used as we speak to measure speeds on all trucks passing through the M5. Now, not in 20 years. It's part of a trail program which the RTA promises will only ever be used on trucks (Bullsh!t).
CCTV captures a truck going past point a, stores its liscence plate, when said truck passes point b and another CCTV camera captures it, distance is divided by time, giving an average speed. If it is above the speed limit, a fine is imposed.
This is happening as we speak. Our rights are being taken away now not in some far off future. If you want to fight for 'em do it now, don't wait for it. Laws are changing around us, becoming insanely draconian. Don't believe me? Ask chica what crap trumped up sh!te he was done for on what flimsy evidence.

[Cincinnatus]

As per the Internet Message Format RFC 2822
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-3.6.2

My god, your quoting me etiquette and protocol?!?!?!?
We're talking legaly binding documents here buddy!

[GISS-90BG]

Check your circuits son, CCTV is being used as we speak to measure speeds on all trucks passing through the M5. Now, not in 20 years. It's part of a trail program which the RTA promises will only ever be used on trucks (Bullsh!t).
CCTV captures a truck going past point a, stores its liscence plate, when said truck passes point b and another CCTV camera captures it, distance is divided by time, giving an average speed. If it is above the speed limit, a fine is imposed.
This is happening as we speak. Our rights are being taken away now not in some far off future. If you want to fight for 'em do it now, don't wait for it. Laws are changing around us, becoming insanely draconian. Don't believe me? Ask chica what crap trumped up sh!te he was done for on what flimsy evidence.

Haha, you sound like a doomsday prophet bro! :P

Nah I know what you mean though. I realise that its getting like that. I just meant, in a few years time it will be unbelievably monitored. Who knows, maybe even road sensors or some crap. It's scary to think about the possibilities.

[Cincinnatus]

some more sci fi facts for you then... how about a breatheliser to start your car? sounds crazy? 7 states in america already implement it.
How about cctv surounding your entire city leaving no corner unobserved so that anyone coming in gets a a 10 pound tax? sounds insane? talk to the gentle souls populating london.
Scary huh? Clover Moore is pushing like mad to have both systems implemented in sydney! Wiatch!!!

Oh and if i must be one, best i be pestilence! too fat to be famine, it'd be too morbid being death and i've already fought in a war and am jack of it.

[DavoAust]

Cinncinatus that email agreement one is new to me and i did business law and electronic business at uni this semester and the only way's your signature can be accepted are expressly, ie, written on the paper or transmitted with prior verbal or written confirmation.

Where did you read it?

[rodhog]

I will tell you now , each state has different laws in regard to it's items.

Also with that defect story - understand there was other Evidence.

For example .

I could ask everyone in NSW who wants to go say do illigal activites - Meet - at Said place
Then do said items etc etc goe's on
Everything here on the internet is considered - like " HERE SAY" it's all 2nd hand information. Like your Wife or GF said here Best friend commited a crime told you detail. Your story does not hold up in ANY court of Australia.

But it does add weight and confirmation. ETC. IT's like saying he's not lieing.

But Due to Pedifiles and those nasty types things have changed and Ip address etc are used to track these types of people. The difference is they usually Set these people up. So when they have Constant evvidence that it's the one person it then becomes something they can hold up court.

But say you talked to a Police man on line- told him you did this and that in your car. Telling BS is not illigal. Unlike trying yo kidnap some kid.

So yes don't talk about your great things you od that might not be legal as it may come back to haunt you. UNLESS your already convicted of it. Like me I can say some time ago I was caught Way WAY WAY OVER THE LIMIT.
I paid my fine 's and Time off the road. More than once.

Does it come back ot Haunt you YES. Even in things like
FAMIYL COURT - eg divorce or any matter involving the Police - Be it Assault etc anything in your history. I note family court as well soem of you maybe unlukcy to go down that path and find your Spouse or former Partner or Mother or father of your child will use it Against you.
IT ALWAYS LOOKS BAD.
It might not be mentioned or it might mentioned - depends on the situation.

[mill_mobile]

Cinncinatus that email agreement one is new to me and i did business law and electronic business at uni this semester and the only way's your signature can be accepted are expressly, ie, written on the paper or transmitted with prior verbal or written confirmation.

Where did you read it?

From my understanding (working in Govt, and have also done a bit of law) this is only true when you actually have a electronic signature on your e-mail... eg. stating name, position title and the like... not the to/from crap that automatically gets put there.

[Cincinnatus]

Cinncinatus that email agreement one is new to me and i did business law and electronic business at uni this semester and the only way's your signature can be accepted are expressly, ie, written on the paper or transmitted with prior verbal or written confirmation.

Where did you read it?

It was in legal studies, don't remember the exact web page, but try this one:
http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/contracts-agreements/2378-1.html
It roughly covers the subject i was talking about even though it's not exactly what i', talking about.

[Dogo]

hey sorry mate I don't mean to be rude here - dont get worked up , its just not making sense from an IT perspective.

a positive reply sent from your email address is accepted as a signature in every court in the land and beyond

I was talking about email address. Now we're talking IP ?

SMTP isn't authenticated - anyone could walk up to my computer and send an email from my IP. IP addresses aren't even fixed.
I could just as easily statically set my IP to that used by the head of my employer , send an email with his address, and swap back to my own IP. No login required, no authentication, no proof that it wasn't him.

This is one of the reasons why there are signed emails ( encrypted with your personal key ) , to verify the source of the email and protect its contents.


Anyway I think we're getting fairly off topic now.
If you'd like to continue I can move these posts to a new thread else lets call it a day.

[pr1mo]

Check your circuits son, CCTV is being used as we speak to measure speeds on all trucks passing through the M5. Now, not in 20 years. It's part of a trail program which the RTA promises will only ever be used on trucks (Bullsh!t).
CCTV captures a truck going past point a, stores its liscence plate, when said truck passes point b and another CCTV camera captures it, distance is divided by time, giving an average speed. If it is above the speed limit, a fine is imposed.
This is happening as we speak. Our rights are being taken away now not in some far off future. If you want to fight for 'em do it now, don't wait for it. Laws are changing around us, becoming insanely draconian. Don't believe me? Ask chica what crap trumped up sh!te he was done for on what flimsy evidence.


this system is already up and running in victoria. between broadford and coolaroo or there abouts on the Hume highway heading into meblourne there are 5 diffrent cameras which all time monitor your speed. if you come out the other end too quick your gone! has been up and running for around 6 months now.

[Cincinnatus]

well then it's too late for you victorians. The technology exists, the software has been written, the expense of setting up the cameras and linking them has been forked out, now wait for the ever more restrictive laws to start coming out. Every where we go, every thing we do is going to be monitored, fined, regimented. In 1948 George Orwell sent out a big fat warning. We made it into a reality TV show. WE ALL SUCK.

[Dogo]

Surely a speed camera based on the time difference between point A and point B is hardly a breach of human rights or an indication that we're moving to a draconian authority.

[bourbon]

i think its a good idea...just means people have to do the speed limit...and take breaks...

[DarkMaTTer]

eh the advantage is that with these sorts of things there is a perceived trust in them (i.e. you never see cops around speed cameras). Just fang it down the freeway at 200+km/h stop for a nice long lunch somewhere before the second camera, and then fang it some more. If timed correctly your average speed will not be over 110km/h. Sure you haven't got anywhere faster, but it sure feels good too stick it to the man :p ;)

[Orion]

How about cctv surounding your entire city leaving no corner unobserved so that anyone coming in gets a a 10 pound tax? sounds insane? talk to the gentle souls populating london.
Scary huh?



What you are talking about there is a strategy called "congestion charging". Its purpose is to try to limit vehicles travelling in heavily congested areas - i.e. CBD's. Therefore, only vehicles that have to enter these areas will go there and all the traffic that was just passing through will go around. It is similar to a toll but charges you for entering a specific area rather than crossing a bridge or going through a tunnel.

As more and more people want to drive further and more often, this kind of system will become more common. We cannot go on building new roads forever. This is especially true in built-up areas where there is simply no more room to build anymore roads.

[89sp1.8]

<(o_0)>







random hey?

[Orion]

random hey?

Just clarifying what the some of the cameras in London do. They are not really "Big Brother".

I should explain that I work as a traffic planner, so I couldn't let this kind of ambiguous information go unchallenged or without a bit more explanation.

[89sp1.8]

no worries mate,i just spent about 20 min reading through last 2-3 pages,just so much said and argued i just thought id break the tension with something complety off topic lol

[Smikey]

Yeah so how about thems yankees?

[DavoAust]

Cinncinatus i can fake an email, ip and all. pretty much any half-decent second year IT student can. Email is only easily traceable if you want it to be (if it was really easy to trace email there wouldn't be any spammers). Bounce an email off a hotmail/gmail/yahoo server before changing the addressing information etc and you've got a untraceable email with no connection back to the start... or you could just proxy through to an anonymous email server. your choice really.

To make your ISP hand over your IP records the police need to actually get the courts to sign off on it, and the family court won't do that just for the purposes of a divorce settlement. it just has too many implications for privacy law.

You can be invisible on the internet, it isn't really that hard either (unless the FBI/ASIO really has it in for you)

eg.
1. i setup firefox to use proxy no.1 in albania.
2. using firefox through the proxy i then go to proxy no.2 in brazil.
3. through no.2 i create a hotmail account
4. i use that account to register on astinagt
5. i use that proxy when i go on astinagt so it never records my real IP
to find my identity you'd need to get sys admins to give you IP logs off both proxies, then get my ISP to hand over who was using the real IP at that time.. it just won't happen unless you're really in ****.

so yeah, i've kinda done the background reading

[Cincinnatus]

davo, i'm sure you don't think u r really so untraceable. If you can think of a way to hide/mask where u r, then someone at least as smart as you can trace/find where u sent it from. Not really hard.
And Dogo, no, a speeding fine is not really the end of freedoms. Allowing our government to legaly monitor where and when we are at any given time, to monitor what we do or what we say at any given time is surely a sign of where things are headed.
Calling it a congestion charge and telling us it is for our own good is just a case of grate marketing, the real soloution would be better public transport and better acess roads. So much cheaper and lucrative to merely charge us more and tell us it's good for us...
That's not a soloution, it's just good PR.
Tell me again i'm being niave

[GISS-90BG]

i think its a good idea...just means people have to do the speed limit...and take breaks...

My concern comes with the fact that it is entirely plausible and understandable that someone could accidentally brake a road law (Not indicating, touching lane lines without indicating, not keeping left on an unlaned road - Yes, it is against the law.) My point is, if you got a massive fine and the huge punishments that are in place at the moment, for every single discretion, well, that's just ridiculous. Very few people will keep their license. There's better ways of improving road safety.

[Daspiffy84]

Just thought this might be relevant to the topic...
the stationary speed camera was getting installed at Burpengary on the highway today, so i assume they were getting installed at the other points as well (on the south side i think). So anyone regularly driving those areas beware, they aren't terribly big or noticeable, but i assume they have to be signed anyway, but i'm sure there will still be plenty of people getting stung at first.

[RedLineResident]

revenue raising...

just in time for christmas, how typical.

[Smikey]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=333397

speaking of speeding, but a resulting crash instead...
and jail time

[Cosmo Dude]

Good to see the Australian press up to there accurate best. If they claim Donald is in Victoria's north-east then how inaccurate is the rest of the article?

[GISS-90BG]

Good to see the Australian press up to there accurate best. If they claim Donald is in Victoria's north-east then how inaccurate is the rest of the article?

Lol. Gotta love Australian journos!

But yeah, read the article. Makes me feel ill thinking about killing a mate in a car accident. That's the reason I never, ever do anything silly with friends in the car - to impress, or for cheap thrills. I've even had occasions with people urging me on, but its just not worth it.

[mill_mobile]

Lol. Gotta love Australian journos!

But yeah, read the article. Makes me feel ill thinking about killing a mate in a car accident. That's the reason I never, ever do anything silly with friends in the car - to impress, or for cheap thrills. I've even had occasions with people urging me on, but its just not worth it.

Not saying i go stupid, coz i dont, but i also drive differently with others in the car... its not worth the risk of hurting someone else - the risk of some other tool hitting you is enough.

[rodhog]

It's always a media Beatup

Even when governments respond like they did in NSW up the Fines etc jail time - it's still not enough for them.

They get more police- they do crack downs - they tighten things up and still they find anything to beat up blame the governments.

It's also important to Note that Most of these articles are from Channel 9 and the News limited people. Who as most people know Don't like Labour governements. So for them it's fair game to make up crap or at least BS it all.

As they say here in sydney. "Horse's mouth or Did you read it in the telegraph."

[Cosmo Dude]

Then a 85 year old man misses the brakes and hits the gas killing another old gent and injuring an elderly lady and the press paints them all as victims.

[trippedoutmonkey]

137 ISNT BAD IN A 50!! lol
my m8 got cloked doin 186 in a 50 zone...
it was a backstreet at night...
i was suprised that the cop actually chased him down...

[trippedoutmonkey]

im goin to NSW!!!! lol
i dont c y sa dont make that change... wat dif will 30 km/h make??
we are still on 110 in sa

[ranoverbyamazada]

just last week i was doing 190kmh coming back from sydeney going to wollong spent all day at job interview,i look in my mirror and i see all these weather strips flying of the car.when i got home the wife saw the car and let me have it. i told her somebody took them off while at interview lol. cost me heaps to replace weather strips.
so dont go speeding in wifes car lucky i didnt get done for speeding on top would have been in the dog house for ages

[RedLineResident]

that sucks.

Ive bn in a car and watched out the back as it was going 200km/h+ and to my horror I witnessed the rear wing flexing.

Is that supoes to happen?

[Cincinnatus]

i've been on this forum, and, you know, like totaly watched these 3 dopes totaly, i mean totaly, incriminate themselves on a public forum frequently visited by cops and insurance company investigators.

Is that supposed to happen?!?
:) :) :)

[RedLineResident]

i wasn't driving, you don;t drive and watch out the back at the same time... :)

I thought that would've been obvious :). Besides, i doubt my car would go over 200km/h anyways.