need some sympathy

[derb]

i've been harangued in a rather serious fashion on another forum regarding the performance of my automobile... so i thought i'd post up a random whinge and see if you guys feel the same.

basically i said my turbo BG has beaten an 04 WRX STi and the current Porsche Cayman on the street. out come the 'geniuses' to refute the facts of real life. here is the post from the other forum copy and pasted. what do you think?

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my car has a a jap spec Mazda BPT motor. here are the specs from wikipedia.

It produced 179 hp (134 kW) and 174 ft·lbf (237 N·m) of torque.

i can't find a source, but i'm confident my car's weight is just over 1000 kilograms. let's say 1050kg.

the motor is stock as apart from running 10psi [7psi stock] and having a 2.25" exhaust system, so lets add 11hp to make power at the motor an even 190hp.

i'm using http://www.ajdesigner.com/phphorsepower/horsepower_equation_power_to_weight_ratio.php to calculate power to weight.

power to weight is 0.082 for my car.

porsche cayman [not the s model as i didn't race the s model] is 245hp at the motor and weighs 2867 pounds which make the p2w ratio 0.085. almost equal so its feasible for me to beat one.

let check the STi, i'm going off the GD chassis which is the one after the bug eye headlights. its got 230hp and 1361kg to push which makes it a ratio of 0.076, lower than mine.

so will you believe me now?

[Rupewrecht]

Porsche and WRX will have an instant traction advantage, but in a rolling start yes it's feasible.

[derb]

i did this from standing rupe. i do run treadware 140 tyres that grip like you know what, so my launches are sweet. i reckon its the f series gearbox having shorter ratios.

[karamello]

i can believe that little turbo cars are just as fast as a european sports car but itll just be peoples mentality of an astina never being able to beat a porsche.
sti kind of similar...

but tbh im finding it a little hard to believe that you beat an STI..these cars are bred from the factory to challenge evos!

[Mad Mat]

reckon its the f series gearbox having shorter ratios.

hey mate i don't think the f series have shorter ratio's hey.

[70NYD]

i can believe that little turbo cars are just as fast as a european sports car but itll just be peoples mentality of an astina never being able to beat a porsche.
sti kind of similar...

but tbh im finding it a little hard to believe that you beat an STI..these cars are bred from the factory to challenge evos!

its irelevant what car is "bred" from what, take a look at the familia its a unbelivably fast car. you have to remember that when it comes down to it its powertoweight that determins just how fast your car is IN A STRAIGHT LINE
get a cleveland big block out ofa mustang mach 1 with 4v heads and a decent carb and you have 600hp EASY with probably 700's but hay the car weighs 2 tons and handles like a drunken pig so its not that good for rally where a STI is and a astina with FWD will never be GOOD for offroad rally but on straight FWD RWD AWD doesnt matter as much, but RWD is a little more pref for drags cus when the wheels grip the car disg in to the back and thats where the power is :p

[project.r.racing]

i was just gonna say something similar...

they may have the same power to weight ratio. but can your astina you maximum power at 6000rpm without understeering?

cos i know the porsche could!

oh and what gearing and speed does the bpt run out of puff? cos the porsche will keep going to 300kph without breaking a sweat...

[02-KQ-LASR]

then there is the obvious things like, the other cars not thrashing it... the other cars might not have been really racing you too... if its just at the lights, they might have launched it a bit, but backed off straight away... lots of different ways it could have played out.


my mates are a good example:
one has a lancer 1.8
the other an my05 rex

when they lines eachother up the lancer one! but that was coz the rex owner stalled it! a minor detail, but the fact remains the lancer beat the rex.

[89sp1.8]

id put my money on the porche and the sti over a standard bpt anyday..off the line,rolling start or through a mountain..give or take on the driver

and to add to that..those power figures are not at the wheels

[DVS]

go to willowbank and get a timeslip then you will be able to see what your car is capable of if your a decent driver

[project.r.racing]

how will willowbank help? it's only a straight line...

[Raving]

If those power to weight ratio figures are correct, and are at the fly rather than wheel, then it's theoretically feasible, and highly feasible if the other drivers underestimated you and didn't launch as you've got 4WD vs FWD drivetrain loses to take into account too, giving you the slight edge in power anyway.

Ofcourse... there is the fact your BPT's 15-20 years old and unlikely to still put out factory power, but still...

[rodhog]

Seriously
Who gives a toss if you did that or that.

If go strap 200HP shot of NOS to it - been done - and I'll give you smack in the face with A STATION WAGON.
And yes I'd run it on the street I still do it old school.

Does it really matter ? welcome to the internet everyones an expert. This that **** - I could pull my dick out in traffic and bat off on the crap on Tv on the way to work. I could tell you now but only the people in the bus next to me on Parramatta road would notice

it's like all them magzines true it's a publication but ever notice NO ONE EVER really prints out a dyno sheet to SAY YES here is my Proof -or SAy here is my Video on the day of the car running this number.
You can do all that makes you feel better but you will still have doubters.

it's why I admire people like the guys like Andrew (B3M motorsports guy thing) he's in competition where it comes down to it on the day on the run etc - he meets the rules the regs and it's no crying about it.

When I see a BG turbo'd astina I think - ah **** box, not as good as Rob80E's
I see civic with front mount and hubcaps I think undercover **** box - I see WRx i think another one.

I use to here this crap at the illigal drag racing every weekend. At real traffic lights I just cross into your lane before the lights go green - WHAT DO YOU DO WITH YOUR SUPER FAST CAR. Hit me

Remember there is always someone quicker faster then you and your car. AT the other side there are people like me WE DON'T CARE.

[70NYD]

I see civic with front mount and hubcaps I think undercover **** box - I see WRx i think another one.


hahahahaha omg that is so funny :D
this has been a good nite iv got a few really good laughs of this site and i didnt even read the funny section yet :p

[marcs_sp20]

If you were trying to argue with someone on boostlosing, give up, its really not worth the e-wang fight...

That being said, does it really matter? I mean c'mon, who cares, if your that concerned, challenge at the drag strip... whats it going to accomplish? your faster, woopie, still doesnt mean my Go-Go Mobile is going to hammer you down :p

[Madd_Maxx]

Id put money on the STi... So no sympathy from me :p

[70NYD]

id put my money on the astina, if its straight line, power to weight is all there is really to it, plus as it was mentioned before, astina has a smaller %loss thru the gear box, and if its over 400M or less, like most street drags are anyway, 300km/h acceleration doesnt really matter :p also the main part of any car is the driver ;) im supporting you here mate if you say u can do it i beleive you untill i SEE otherwise with my own eyes

[derb]

thanks tony, next time i beat a STI i'll try and get the driver to sign an affidavit lol!

[project.r.racing]

just video tape it and upload it to you tube. the knock on the door from the cops will be worth it huh?

[70NYD]

lol i meant i beleive you and your word derb untill i see otherwise, i dont see a reason why any car cant be fast. i had this argument with my mates many times about how good some cars are, lets take a SLR that costs a phenomenal ammount of money
ok now lets take a gtr32 for 15k and put the balance of the SLR in to the engine, drivetrain and suspension, my money will be on the skyline to beat the SLR hands down in almost any event.. it will however never look like a SLR and it will not ever be as comfertable as a SLR. it will beat it in a race but ;)

[DVS]

how will willowbank help? it's only a straight line...

yeh we all know that :rolleyes: .....assuming he raced both vehicles in a straight line you can compare his time to what they would run