Car/Name Change

[NaughtyGT]

Hey guys. BADMIXY (formally NaughtylilGT) here to say hello!

Will be heading to Adelaide tomorrow evening, flight @ 7pm Vic time & arrives Adelaide airport @ 8pm SA time, to pick up my new MX5. Will be heading straight to Murray Bridge (about 70 odd klicks east of Adelaide) stay over night & heading off again sparrow fart in the morning to Kingston SE (about 200 klicks south again) then, back towards Melbourne via coastal road, making na few stops along the way & be back in Vic Friday early afternoon. This'll also give ma a chance to give the MIXY a good run.

So, Naughty will be put back together starting week after next I hope then proly sold soon after. I havn't decided on fate just yet. Waiting on the hybrid Turbo to turn up from US then will know more.

[Brisbane_boy]

sounds awsome.
that would be an awsome trip in a new car.
Wish u luck.
and dont pick up to many strang hitch hikers :P

[marcs_sp20]

so this is the 3rd car in what 3 months? geez...

Good luck with the plans, which I'd assume you would be putting the built motor in this?

[NaughtyGT]

lol.....I will be travelling with wifey....& I'm a good boy anyhows!

I know marcs but no, it was always the plan to just use the GTX for engine & parts transfer into the 2WD so, that only counts as 1 previous car really hehe. I won't really be building the B6T engine up now.

After researching the B6ZE, B6D engine, same same in the MX5, it turns out the head on these provide better flow & the blocks have a lightened crank & flywheel so they rev till 7200rpm & put out between 80-90kw stock!. The car I'm getting also has a cool sports twin system & headers so I think she'll go OK the way it is.

I proly will Turbo it sometime in the near future but @ moment I just want to enjoy driving it.

[project.r.racing]

cannot say i heard the flow or lightened crank info before on the B6 motors.

i thought it was because of 10:1 comp ration pistons, massive valve overlap and timing settings. yeah max torque at 5,500rpm

[NaughtyGT]

cannot say i heard the flow or lightened crank info before on the B6 motors.

i thought it was because of 10:1 comp ration pistons, massive valve overlap and timing settings. yeah max torque at 5,500rpm

hey project, Wikipedia @ it again maybe? No. apparently the MX5 got the lighter stuff. Who knows really. From what I've sourced, all the B6's are tuff engines with same block. I thought the MX5 had lower comp than that though. Jap Spec 9.4:1 & OS 9.1:1?

[70NYD]

damn man thats a hell of a trip back in a car u just bough, so dont know 2 shts bout... hope it doesnt go on ya on the way back in the middle of nowhere..

[NaughtyGT]

damn man thats a hell of a trip back in a car u just bough, so dont know 2 shts bout... hope it doesnt go on ya on the way back in the middle of nowhere..

ey 70! Nar she's a Mazda. Where's ya faith bro lol :D I will be taking some wire, special tape & heading straight to Servo & getting some coolant, oil for the trip though :)

Here's a few pics from add:

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/MIXY/BBKEQBWkKGrHgoOKjsEjlLmUU31BKrPCUKS.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/MIXY/BDq7QmkKGrHgoOKkUEjlLmVpKoBKrPJ685d.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/MIXY/BBBSQB2kKGrHgoOKjUEjlLmUhVfBKrPB5kT.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/MIXY/BBQyBGkKGrHgoOKkMEjlLmYgTBKrPCopncQ.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/MIXY/BbmpGBmkKGrHgoOKjwEjlLmSt7BKrEFP1Lw.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/MIXY/BBZmw2kKGrHgoOKiwEjlLmE-RBKrPDDidw_.jpg

[NaughtyGT]

btw, the lady in the car is his mum :p

[chicaboo]

B6D = low spec AUDM version
B6ZE = JDM hawtnessnous

[NaughtyGT]

B6D = low spec AUDM version
B6ZE = JDM hawtnessnous

I'm still searching about the head & block difference Gav. Apparently the Miata engines got tjhe higher output than the stock B6 but need specifics so I can decide what to do with build when I go to do it?

[chicaboo]

Hey Tim, maybe the B6Ds are limited to the Capri and Laser, and our MX5s got a detuned B6ZE? Because the specs for the 1989 MX5 are pretty good on Redbook: http://redbook.com.au/used-cars/details.aspx?R=81497&__Qpb=true&Cr=0&__Ns=p_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cp_ClassificationType_S tring%7c0%7c%7cp_Family_String%7c0%7c%7cp_Year_Str ing%7c1%7c%7cp_SequenceNum_Int32%7c0&__N=2994%204294953017%204294843247%204294965403&silo=1300&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=2&__sid=124298A41534

Gav.

[NaughtyGT]

yeah, think that's the story mate

[70NYD]

i dont see a factory justifying to build a whole new range of parts just for one market.. for a different vehicle yes, but not just for a different market.. im gonna side with what gav said on this one at it being a detune, as the comp ratio seems to be the same :p

man that sounds like a plan :p i know mazdas can go forever, but im just saying be carefull.. nothing worse than being stuck in the middle of the bush haha.. (the bad kind :p)
thats one nice NA

[chicaboo]

Tony: There are subtle differences on the B6 for the RWD MX5 due to the north/south orientation of the engine. That is enough to make putting a FWD B6/T in there a total pain in the arse. That's why I suspect the B6D is used in the Capri and Laser only, whereas a detuned B6ZE is used in the MX5. I'm guessing JDM cars have a better ECU, and perhaps IM and TB [if the FSZE is anything to go by].

Cheers, Gav.

[project.r.racing]

got a B6ZE (J-sepc) with some 40mm ITBs hanging off the side of it in the workshop atm. :) It is daves brother's leftovers from his NA6. I've been eyeing it off as there are many more options out there if you buy a NA6 over a NA8.

BP-DE (94-98 Astina/323F) and BP-ZE (94-97 MX5/Miata) are the same cams, head block, crank, rods and fuel system. They only different is the pistons 9.0:1 vs 9.4-9.7:1 (depending on which EU/JP/US/AU markets,) ignition timing, added knock sensor and ecu settings. The exturnal difference as Gav said are their also, ie:- different water flow routes, headers, intake manifold, cam cover and timing belt covers etc.

I wouldn't be surprized if Mazda had the variances between the B6 are the same a the BP engines

[NaughtyGT]

Back yeeeeah!!!!

Pros:
Extra HD clutch, perhaps button, as it acts exactly as the GT one did if you don't launch properly ;)
Incredibly tight/notchy Gear shift. Much like a 924 I drove for a while ;)
Coilovers ;)
Compression on all cylinders between 192-200. 192 is stock! ;)
Handles incredible ;)

Cons:
Respray OK but not great :(
$380 sting for new Alternator & fan belt plus a bottom bolt from country town 3hrs from Adelaide after battery died :mad:
stupid 205/55 16 tyres. Should be 205/45 profile so will sort Monday :(
Noisy exhaust tail pipes/resonators so again, try & sort Monday :mad:
Valve seals could be buggered as blows bit of blueish smoke on start up though, didn't seem to use much oil :mad:

Conclusion:
No comparison with GT stock net alone GTX for power. Seems to take forever to rev anywhere near 5500rpm, the B6T rips straight to 6500rpm before you can change gear. I'm getting used to the accelaration though I guess. If I push it hard in 1st, it revs OK from then on.

Good to be back yeah! :cool:

[chrisw]

sounds good... ya bastidge looks hot and in great condition.

Hey, if the stem seals are gone, that could be positive. It means you could get a recon head, new timing belt, get it ported and polished, a bit of go fast bits and sex it up.

[NaughtyGT]

sounds good... ya bastidge looks hot and in great condition.

Hey, if the stem seals are gone, that could be positive. It means you could get a recon head, new timing belt, get it ported and polished, a bit of go fast bits and sex it up.

Hey Chris!

Doesn't blow blue smoke anymore :eek: Just get a little oil burning smell sometimes when I get up it, that's all. Don't know what it was unless it had a sticky valve seat/seal? Motor goes hard otherwise. Just had to get used to driving without a hairdryer :p It has extractors & SS system etc, double pipe straight-through muffler so, sounds & drives like an MG hehe.

Best Gearbox/clutch set up I have ever drivin. Really tight & notchy.
The re-spray is growing on me, not too bad at all! Picking up a set of 17" wheels/tyres tonight cause it's running wrong profile @ moment. Should be cool then :)

[chicaboo]

Hey Tim,

Is your roll bar the mouse trap style that just bolts to the seat mounts? If so, are you going to get the proper one at some stage? I ask only out of a safety point of view.

Cheers and good luck with the car! :D
Gav.

[project.r.racing]

B6 did have a lightened crank to allow it to rev higher. Me wrong, you right. :p

[NaughtyGT]

Hey Tim,

Is your roll bar the mouse trap style that just bolts to the seat mounts? If so, are you going to get the proper one at some stage? I ask only out of a safety point of view.

Cheers and good luck with the car! :D
Gav.

they bolt onto main housing behind seats Gav, I'll check again though to make sure after I get a cuppa! coffee...coffee....:(

[chicaboo]

Oh snap, I just checked the price of a proper cams approved roll bar. $799! :eek: It looks the goods though, but no bling. At least your head won't separate from your body with it though. :p

Gav.

[project.r.racing]

Davis Brown rollbar ftw!!!

[NaughtyGT]

B6 did have a lightened crank to allow it to rev higher. Me wrong, you right. :p

hey buddy, even the in-the-knows over @ MX5 Miata Forum aren't even savvy about the engine differences so, info isn't really flowing thick n hard. How were you to know?

Apparently the B6T has stronger valve springs & obviously, sronger rods so, it gets a bit deep really :(

[chicaboo]

Davis Brown rollbar ftw!!!

I believe you speaketh the truth:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/BROWN-DAVIS-STEEL-ROLL-BAR-MX5-NA-89-96-CAMS-APPROVED_W0QQitemZ200363481912QQcmdZViewItemQQptZA U_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2ea6981b38

[NaughtyGT]

hey, the Intake Manifold runners are pretty huge on the MX! Bit like the Boxy Plenum runners. She just needs a little hairdryer....just a little maybe? hehe

Seriously, it has positive, non-power steering, no A/Con etc. They kept them the basic little sports car I suppose. I think a turbo would defeat the purpose? Bloody noooice though?

Gav, promise I'll take some snaps tomorrow & stick em up when I wack new wheels on OK? That's if the young toss stops friggin me around with pic up time. About to tell him to keep wheels :(

[project.r.racing]

the best bang of your buck mod for a B6 is ITBs. :) it's a engine that just waiting to breath better...

[NaughtyGT]

the best bang of your buck mod for a B6 is ITBs. :) it's a engine that just waiting to breath better...

is that like the 4 TB as in the 20V engines? Gav shot me a pic of a set on EBay. Bit pricey though?

[chicaboo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnNLUbfUgu0

[NaughtyGT]

Here's the Pics Gav I promised! :)

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/MIXY/MIXY%202/PICT0322.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/MIXY/MIXY%202/PICT0325.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/MIXY/MIXY%202/PICT0328.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/MIXY/MIXY%202/PICT0353.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/MIXY/MIXY%202/PICT0345.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/MIXY/MIXY%202/PICT0344.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/MIXY/MIXY%202/PICT0335.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/MIXY/MIXY%202/PICT0351.jpg

[project.r.racing]

which p platers excel did you steel them off? very shiney.

[chicaboo]

The car is looking great. But where chrome sets off well against red paint, I'm not a fan of those wheels. :p
Does the car feel slower with those wheels on? Get yourself some slips on seat-covers and tinted windows and you're done. :)

Gav.

[NaughtyGT]

EXCEL???????????? oh the disgrace, what an insult............:p:p:p hehe

Gav, I kneeeeeeeew you'd comment on the chrome! I luuuuuuuuvs chrome. I was born with a chrome tockle :D

The car actually drives far far better & they give a softer ride, figure? The other tyre profile sucked!

Wheels are in such good nick I couldn't believe it! 205/40/17's on em. Only mark is the slight edge in close-up photo.....bugger all!

[Rupewrecht]

Nah, Excels are 4x114.3 ;)

[project.r.racing]

those are multi fit rims under those caps. :)

i was in love with those rims in 2003 when i was looking for new rims. saw a set on a gemini and fell instantly in love.

[chicaboo]

I looked at an EK VTiR Shivikoo recently, and the guy who was selling it had those rims on his SAAB convertible. Except his were branded Enkei.

[Rupewrecht]

Enkei G-Zeros were what they were originally. Those were the (terrible, terrible) days :p

[marcs_sp20]

car is screaming out for new rims badly as previously said... these would look tops I reckon ;)

http://www.toptentyres.com.au/store/wheels/speedy/inferno-machined.jpg

Speedy Inferno's

[NaughtyGT]

bloomin ell' I just got em & "sniff" "sniff"..........I really like em :(

[chicaboo]

bloomin ell' I just got em & "sniff" "sniff"..........I really like em :(
That's all that matters.

[NaughtyGT]

well they really do set the car off in real life. The other wheels were b-o-r-i-n-g & made it drive like clap!

[chicaboo]

You should be able to sell your old wheels quite easily, they are a popular design with most ppl.

[NaughtyGT]

yeah Gav, the old wheels are in mint condition, very sellable, it's just the tyres are wrong profile for the car. They were actually larger diameter then these new ones. 205/55x16 as opposed to 205/40x17

[project.r.racing]

205/55R16 on a NA6? wow 4wd action huh? :p

[project.r.racing]

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e189/deejayryry/warning_small_mx5.jpg

[NaughtyGT]

205/55R16 on a NA6? wow 4wd action huh? :p

yeah, drove like a dog! :mad: Drives sweet as now! :cool:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e189/deejayryry/warning_small_mx5.jpg

hehehe :D

[NaughtyGT]

greeeeeeat news. Since I did oil change & used 10w40, gave it a few good runs on some open country roads........no more oil burn smell & it hasn't used any oil since I did change! :eek: I reckon a sticky valve seal/seat all along. Perhaps the thinner oil pushed the muck out along with a good run? Thrilled anyway as whenever you buy a new car, you always worry in the back of your mind what services it has had/not had :(

Only gripe now is it has a very, slight flat spot in the rev range that's fairly easy to overcome with more throttle but I wish this wasn't necessary (economy wise)

[chicaboo]

I've joined you by getting an atmo 1.6L too. ;)

[NaughtyGT]

1600 class......yehaaaaar! lol

[RustyKaos]

I've got an atmo 1600 as well in the form of a 4age 2ov blacktop. :D Quad throttles FTW!!!

[NaughtyGT]

^^^^ that's what Gav & I have been discussing for up ahead :cool: They make em' for the MX5 B6 engine

[RustyKaos]

Yeah from memory its just an adapter plate to add them or go for the bike quad/dual throttles.

[chicaboo]

Well, Nozz Performance actually make dedicated ITBs for the MX5, and a swag of other goodies for the B6/T engine.

Tim, my SR16VE makes about ~135kW at the moment, I can get this up to almost 170kW with bolt ons. ie: SR20DE/T rotating assy, SR16VE N1 TB & IM. :D
It's a little bit harder on the B6, but you can get close to that [~150kW].

Gav.

[project.r.racing]

135kW pulstart. fun times. :D

[chicaboo]

Yeah, it goes well. I'm just guessing the power due to the catback, but they are 129kW stock. Butt dyno yells out 135kW though... :p
Handling, even with Newton??? tyres, is just brilliant. I'm very [and pleasantly] surprised! :D

[NaughtyGT]

look I truely think any na car will be hard-pressed competing with turbo acceleration. Kw's aside, turbos are bloody hard to beat! A turbo with 110kw's will floor a na with 110 kw's. Anyone care to argue? (who has actually owned/driven the cars?) Na's are purely fun for me. Still wouldn't mind seeing what they can really do Gav. Your beast sounds awesome ;)

[project.r.racing]

all depends on the car. i'd prefer a 110kw na rwd than a 110kw turbo fwd.

cars like MX5s that are 51/49 weight dist will sh!te over front heavy turbo fwds.

[NaughtyGT]

all depends on the car. i'd prefer a 110kw na rwd than a 110kw turbo fwd.

cars like MX5s that are 51/49 weight dist will sh!te over front heavy turbo fwds.

totally agreed. My point was the acceleration of these FWD turbos are pretty awesome though. I guess your too spoilt in a turbo. The na you really have to rev it out

[chicaboo]

Hey Tim,

When an NA is on song, after a certain point the torque a turbo delivers ceases to matter. But a light NA vs a light turbo will cut it very well. I could show you touge battle after touge battle to illustrate this. The big thing you get with NA vs turbo is the instant response [well, lack of turbo lag] in an NA car, and this means you can drive them so much harder with less power. I've got both, and they fulfil different driving aspects for me. The turbo is actually MUCH harder to drive as good in the touge due to the snail having to wind up each time you put your foot down. I've got very short intercooler piping to get around this issue though, but it means my cooling is limited, and so is my maximum power.

Gav.

[NaughtyGT]

yeah Gav, I suppose I havn't really launched the MX5 or even hit it hard off the mark at all. I wanna keep the clutch/gearbox in good nick. Woosey I know

You gotta remember the GT had the stock little turbo & a puck clutch so, the lag wasn't reall there. Maybe that's it?

[chicaboo]

That's fine. They make good tourers as well as go carts. :p

[NaughtyGT]

^^ you didn't wait for the second part of post Gav hehe

[chicaboo]

Let's just say when you've got some NA mods that dabbing the throttle can be like using the steering wheel. ;) I'm not au fey with RWD techniques though... :eek:

Gav.

[project.r.racing]

indeed, get a good clutch, get some koni yellows with adjustable perches, some breathing mods and lose the performance killing 12kg per corner rotating mirrors and you'll be singing a different tune when it comes to lightweight balance na cars.

[NaughtyGT]

guys, I've settled for NaughtyGT Forum name (cause' I'm a hopeless Chameleon) no seriously, as I will be doing up naughty again from early Jan. The MX5 I'm keeping pretty stock for now. The 323 will get the performance gear etc as it's put back together & benefit some here hopefully so, hence the name back

Cheers!

[NaughtyGT]

Hereyar Mazzy........

BF GT

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/PICT0162.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/PICT0112.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/PICT0115.jpg


BF GTX

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/5049730.jpg

[NaughtyGT]

Just read a good article that states that the B6ZE engine in the MX5's were just B6T's with higher compression. If that's the case, no wonder people turbo them stock in the US with no probs ;)

This means they do have the same rods! Yeehar!

[NaughtyGT]

Just dropped the chrome wheels off to be have tyres stripped. There being taken round to be sandblasted & powder coated a nice Satin Black after that. Will be ready before Chrissie. The rollbar will be dropped off after Chrissie to be matched! Good.....no more chrome!!!!!!! :cool:

Be a nice track-like colour scheme. Here's a pic of a blue one in the US where I got the idea. These wheels are only painted though & the owner is contemplating doing the wheels in a smokey grey colour I think :o

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/4184138675_c1b4f1918e_b1.jpg

[marcs_sp20]

the bloke that owns that blue MX5 shouldnt have sold his Protege5 (SP20), it was such a nice car :(

[NaughtyGT]

bloody yanks...........they stole my idea for the New Year. Bugger! Oh well, @ least I can see how it will look I suppose? I'll be putting stripping on the MX5 as in this one so it will match the satin wheels & rollbar :cool:

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/091130_271.jpg

Here's a pic of the white & British green rear:

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/091031_061.jpg

[RustyKaos]

Love the number plates. :D

Will look good with the satin wheels I reckon.

[NaughtyGT]

Righto.....no more poofy, woosey, chrome hair dresser-styled daily for me:

Here's the Mixy with powder-coated wheels I got back today :cool: Pics aren't that crash hot....car not washed.....but better than the chrome I think? Rollbar is getting dome the same after Chrissie

I have to do the centre caps yet. I'll just spray them

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/PICT0337.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/PICT0343.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/NaughtylilGT/PICT0340.jpg

[chicaboo]

They look heaps better in black. Get some black door handles on now, for added toughnessnous. :p

Gav.

[70NYD]

fcuk yeah man, that looks awesome :D PC ftw :D
centre caps were the easiest part for me to do :)
i LOVE red n black

[NaughtyGT]

They look heaps better in black. Get some black door handles on now, for added toughnessnous. :p

Gav.

****e, didn't go there yet but.....black all the way :D


fcuk yeah man, that looks awesome :D PC ftw :D
centre caps were the easiest part for me to do :)
i LOVE red n black

yeah, tones it right down ey!

[Brisbane_boy]

looks HEAPS better.
how much did it cost to get powder coated??? if u dont mind me asking

[NaughtyGT]

looks HEAPS better.
how much did it cost to get powder coated??? if u dont mind me asking

cause' not :) $50 a wheel. That included sandblasting chrome which even with straight alloy, is a bigger/harder prep job to do than painted steel rims. If you had steel rims, $40 a wheel.

Also got front wheels on-car balanced too as these cars are sensitive as a backward-stroked cat :D. They feel every bump/dip on road :o

[marcs_sp20]

Looks good, but needs less orange reflectors and more smoked:

http://a763.g.akamai.net/7/763/1644/3/app.infopia.com/img/image/fp/VPID/7788703/img3/img.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/90-97-MAZDA-MIATA-MX5-SMOKE-BUMPER-SIDE-MARKER-LIGHTS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem35a5b4b065QQitem Z230413348965QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fA ccessories

[NaughtyGT]

are these legal? or @ least do they work? (indicators indicating?) I have a set of clear lenses for the 323 front bar but was reluctant to use them in case they were'nt detected?

[chicaboo]

I never had trouble with the smoked indicators on my 323.

[NaughtyGT]

must be getting tired, sware they were clear earlier when I read post? The smoked look is awesome. Will look into it ;)

[marcs_sp20]

they were clear, then I found what I was originally looking for which was smoked, this might give you inspiration :D


http://www.dp6061.com/temp/MIATA_LM16_09.jpg
http://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t16874-4/

[chicaboo]

Well, that has to be the sexiest NA in the world. Give up already Tim! :p

[NaughtyGT]

Just bought em.......our $ is slipping bugger it :(

they looked so cool, esp with black :) Chrissie pres' to me yeah :D

[chicaboo]

The Mazdaspeed lip looks great too.

[NaughtyGT]

Well, that has to be the sexiest NA in the world. Give up already Tim! :p

sniff sniff.....:( yeah Gav, that & another turbo one in US I saw :)

The Mazdaspeed lip looks great too.

yeah I don't know where to get one? It would look good with the boot spoiler :)

thanks marcs for the inspiration ;)

[Rupewrecht]

Nah that's just an optional NA MX5 lip - expensive little buggers though.

You need a Mazdaspeed rollbar - they're powdercoated black from factory ;)

[NaughtyGT]

Nah that's just an optional NA MX5 lip - expensive little buggers though.

You need a Mazdaspeed rollbar - they're powdercoated black from factory ;)

do I need to be sitting down for price :D I have to get the lil' 323 up & @ em again Dan :)

[Rupewrecht]

Those little lips sell for close to 20000yen for a good one!

The rollbars are...well, i'll have a couple for sale soon ;)