Hi im Demanius from 0zmazdaclub.com forum

[Demanius]

Hi Guys,

Thought i Join this great forum too, as i drive a hardtop astina sedan ,with the 2.5 V6 .

Just wanted to say Hi :P

About me, i like to race, but im trying to quit as i want to keep my license and i dont want my friends on the forums to think im a crazy person lol

As i want to be apart of cruises, cruise and relax hehe :P

All the best to you guys :)

[wheeler33]

Haha welcome to the forums mate, enjoy!! post some pics up too!

[Rupewrecht]

Welcome to AGT, always good to see another Hardtop on here

[marcs_sp20]

Welcome to AGT, good to see you took my advice and ventured over :D

[Demanius]

Yep :D, thanks boys. Your tech, performace sections of the forum are hectic lol

[RustyKaos]

Welcome to the forum as it is always good to see another hardtop. :D

[project.r.racing]

heelo and welcome

About me, i like to race, but im trying to quit as i want to keep my licensethis does not make sense???

[RustyKaos]

Sounds that he likes to race illegally. Should get your cams licence and do it for real on the track. Much more safer and fun when you smash your opposition. :D

[Demanius]

ummmm, maybe lol

check this out, turbo kl-ze omg lol :D

http://www.streetfire.net/video/25l-turbo-klze-300whp-7psi-final-pull-was-95_121615.htm

[marcs_sp20]

Yep :D, thanks boys. Your tech, performace sections of the forum are hectic lol

I told ya so! ;)

[Orion]

Yep :D, thanks boys. Your tech, performace sections of the forum are hectic lol

Yeah, we do things a little differently on here :eek:

And welcome! :)

[Demanius]

Thanks again, yes i will get my CAMS licence, im dying to take myself lol to the race track. And not race on the streets anymore.

Go Mazdas !!!!

[Demanius]

Im keeping the car lol.

[Demanius]

Just Put the new exhaust on it, omg it flies. 14 flat rupe's is right.

The skyline i wanted does 13.7. big deal lol

I like my car better, its unique and not many around. ;)

[-dc-]

14 flat quater? I dont think so... There was a guy at WSID I was talking to with a turbo klze mx6 and he couldnt get close to a 14flat, it was more like 14.5 and thats a turbo...

[Demanius]

probably wheelspin all the way lol

[-dc-]

probably, but with an n/a i dont think ud have a chance at a 14.0

[Demanius]

Fair Enough, is a mx6 rear wheel drive or front wheel drive?

[Demanius]

stupid question haha front wheel drive hahaha

[Demanius]

GOt the pedders racing/sports suspension done, car feels totally different, awesome..

[Demanius]

Going to the drags friday night, wish me luck the KL-ZE better be up to the challenge , i want to prove not talk any more lol

[-dc-]

whats on friday night? Pretty sure there isnt any drags on Friday nights... not at WSID anyway..:(

[Demanius]

WSID, i ran them up, its on every night weekdays. friday night doing the quarter mile in my car.

[-dc-]

Interesting, the only racing open to the public I know of is wednesday. I also called them and there is not events on at all this friday night?

[Demanius]

really ill call again?

OMG its only wednesday nights. OMG ****...........


have to go this wednesday then

[NaughtyGT]

prove what :confused: your time will be interesting all the same

If you wanna know about V6 MX6's (ZE's in particular ie: I owned 1 a short while back) PM me :)

what weight (kerb weight) do you carry btw? The MX6 V6 is 1260kg kerb if I recall? Handles excellent too. Much more a corners car (track) than a drag car that's for sure.

P.S. my bad.....you noted your weight in your sig silly me. Well that's 135 less kg's. Nice p-to-w!

[-dc-]

really ill call again?

OMG its only wednesday nights. OMG ****...........


have to go this wednesday then

I might be there... will be interesting

[NaughtyGT]

Fair Enough, is a mx6 rear wheel drive or front wheel drive?

Demanius. Your engine was taken from the early J-Spec V6 MX6's mate :)

The first model V6 MX6's were sold here in 92' as 4WS cars with excellent handling ability due to 4WS & their near neutral weight distribution. Drive one & you'll quickly see what I'm talking about ;) As far as I know the ZE was never offered on Australian delivered vehicles but only in Japan (JDM J-Spec models) .

A long while ago now folk were buying the ZE engines from import yards all over the country but nowdays, it's hard to get a low mileage one @ a reasonable price. You can still do alright if you know where to get em ;)

Don't get me wrong! Brilliant response, especially the DE (yes DE......ZE's give top-end torque/response, starting to work @ 42-4500rpm due to cams; longer inlet runners & longer inlet port to TB & J-Spec ECU/MAF =JE50 from memory? I've sold a few myself) You ncan run a ZE with DE (stock) ECU but it WILL run rich! DE's are still quick down low but calmer up top. The best way to get hp from these is to turbocharge these. 1 member on MX6.com has done this & pulls about 175oddfwkw with conservative boost around I think 7-8psi? Engine is a DE from memory. The less aggressive DE cams work better with boosting.

Word of advice. Nothings easy nor necessarily cheap when modding these 2.5L engines to get any decent hp. A stock ZE will only produce about 115fwkw with extractors & bigger injectors?

Again. If you really do have a ZE (gimme some good pics of your engine bay & number on main ECU & I could tell you straight away), due to your excellent kerb weight, you will have a nice quick stock car :cool: All aluminium engine adds to light weight of vehicle. Be happy with that man :)

[Demanius]

no problem, i will get the pictures of my engine bay. ecu is in the dash, have to rip the stereo out grr.

My cousin still has warranty on engine, has 55,000kms on it.

yes my first cousin, mechanic is adamant that i should stick with N/A it doesnt need the turbo or supercharger.

he did the work, ripped out the KF-ZE.


The engine, is marked in pink writing KL-V6 too

Its JDM, Spec. got for 1900-2000 dollars with ecu if can remember. from importers

I will do the pictures tonight, buddies.

[NaughtyGT]

Don't worry about the ECU then. Not worth the trouble man. Sounds good! Btw, it could well have the 'curved neck' inlet manifold too & if your cousin has pruchased/installed it I'm sure it would be the real deal. Don't see why not?

[Demanius]

Here you go buddies a picture


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Hope you like it, yes curved neck, intake under the car it runs.

[NaughtyGT]

Yeah the inlet manifold is the ZE manifold dude!

Just for your information. Have a look @ markings on each head, just below rocker cover gaskets. KLZE will be marked KL31 101 or KL36 101 whilst, KLDE will be marked KL03. This is the only way I know to tell you have the engine for sure. Not completely sure about the FE engine though I'm sorry

[Demanius]

holly sht lol kL 36 101, yep i see it omg, flying lol

[project.r.racing]

lol i love your excitement.

i personally cannot see the difference between the engines. they look so identical on the outside.

[Demanius]

Yeh, there is not alot of room to work with, but it fits in nicely, due to high compression, and the 5000 dollar plus tag of turbo or supercharging it, i will leave it N/A im not that crazy to blow the engine.

Maybe new valve springs, and forged higher compression internals will be better lol?

ahh, i leave it haha :)

[NaughtyGT]

lol i love your excitement

haha this is what I was like when I first got my MX6 ZE. Excited & luved driving it everyday. Miss it!

i personally cannot see the difference between the engines. they look so identical on the outside.

Pictures coulda been closer & taken straight on. Also. If you had engine bay pics side to side you would pick the differences easier, also.....trained eye haha :) The ZE inlet mani sits a little higher. Runners are longer, slightly wider & flatter & neck between tb & main plenum is longer. This all aids in greater volume of air (like a boxy plenum does) to produce more torque ;)

Yeh, there is not alot of room to work with, but it fits in nicely, due to high compression, and the 5000 dollar plus tag of turbo or supercharging it, i will leave it N/A im not that crazy to blow the engine

Good thinking there Demanius ;)

Maybe new valve springs, and forged higher compression internals will be better lol?

uhm.....no, don't bother with valve springs & forged. Your looking the other way again haha. The ZE probably has stronger springs. I can't remember. Forged internals are only necessary if you wanted to boost the thing & run high boost to gain hp & > 1/4 mile times. Compression is already > 10:1 so pointless going higher unless you want big hp. See? You are heading in the wrong way again because you will be spending $$$$'s with little hp improvement. Essentially building a strong engine for nothing. Besides, turboing would be the less expensive option, even @ a conservative boost, with much greater hp potential bang-for-buck. That's what clever modification is all about. Do you catch me?

[Demanius]

Yes Naughty, thanks buddy fo the imput, i see.

i got more pictures of engine bay, which i forgot to post, i will do it tonight. Forgot my nokia cord, as they are on my phone. grrrr

what you think 130 to 140 kilowatts at the wheels with mods? or is that optimistic??

stock 165 at the fly?

[-dc-]

Yes Naughty, thanks buddy fo the imput, i see.

i got more pictures of engine bay, which i forgot to post, i will do it tonight. Forgot my nokia cord, as they are on my phone. grrrr

what you think 130 to 140 kilowatts at the wheels with mods? or is that optimistic??


From my calculations..

If it's 150kw at the fly, with 20% drivetrain loss thats about 120kw. Althought I think drivetrain loss for a fwd is between 20-30% so that would be around 105-110kw atw

[Demanius]

woudn it be 15 per cent loss, thought the advantage of fwd is small connection to the wheels, comparing to rwd. which is longer drive line.

i maybe wrong. i think my car is 160 to 165kw at flywheel, i have to get it dynod, for sure. will do that next friday.

[-dc-]

Get it dyno'd then least you know what it is, because an engine that was from factory 160kw as you claim due to wear and tear will lose power as it ages.

my Source - Wikipedia (always reliable)

Engine choice was the KL-ZE 2.5 DOHC V6 making 200 bhp (150 kW), a high compression version of the KL-DE, or the KF-ZE 2.0 DOHC V6 making 159 bhp (119 kW), all of the K series engines in the MX6 were based on the same engine block and included those found in the Ford Probe, Xedos 6 and MX-3 V6 models.. The KLZE had appromixately 40 more horsepower than the KLDE versions for a few reasons.

[NaughtyGT]

woudn it be 15 per cent loss, thought the advantage of fwd is small connection to the wheels, comparing to rwd. which is longer drive line

not sure about that?

i maybe wrong. i think my car is 160 to 165kw at flywheel, i have to get it dynod, for sure. will do that next friday.

nope. dc is right it's 150fkw = 200fhp

[Demanius]

im not too confient about 14 s lol

My needs a service, and im guessing at best 15.1 quarter.

Power to weight seems good though....

[Demanius]

with mods, and ignition stuff more than stock i hope lol

[Demanius]

Also, the KF-ZE 2.0 V6 is a great engine too, i take it back what i said being **** lol.

been in one modded and it flies haha :))

commodore muncher 2 right lol

[NaughtyGT]

your certainly an excitable lad :p

Try & understand it's not all about the size of an engine bro. Power-to-weight ratio is something every budding performance buff must take the time to understand. Prior to any modification they may have in mind to make to their particular car.

Whilst my performance interests & intentions I'm quite sure are totally different to yours. Everything I do to my car or even think of doing MUST revolve around the power to weight law of physics. That's not rocket science buddy. Simple fact!

The 2.0L V6 engine's spiffiness you've experienced is due to 2 main things. The bore & stroke ratio of the engine (determining it's performance characteristics) has it revving high & therefore accelerating quickly, giving you that feel of invigoration whereas, an engine that has a longer stroke would be less responsive down low yet have the legs to give you that pulling (torque) feel more up top. Also. The weight of the car compared to yours ;) Heavy cars need torque to gain good power. Lighter cars get away with less torque but higher revving engines. That's why smaller (pocket rockets) like Chicaboo's KE & my little BF are so much fun to drive & feel like the wheels are tied to ice skates @ times haha cause' they are light & the power to weight ratio is well favoured with power!

Whilst your ZE may put out 200hp at the fly & a stock B6T only 135, still doesn't mean you will mash the B6T due to it weighing around 950kgs. See where I'm going?

[Demanius]

Thanks Naughty :P

Yes, i understand i know, the physics. im a car man all my life, i drive my first car into a tree ,my dads 1991 4ws, honda prelude 2.0 manual, when i was 3 years old lol

Yeh, my first car was a mini cooper, and that was fun, 1000kilos was fun,and reasonable power, stiff suspension.

I wrote that off when i was 19 years old. ive learned now after 6 years.


Your points have helped me alot, to understand more the driving physics :)


My favourite car, is the 1973 porsche 911 2.7 rs power to wieght crazy and fast, too bad its expensive lol

[Demanius]

After the suspension settled, the toe was gone, car was so slow. Now its fixed, oh my gosh

the car is back and it flies again.

[-dc-]

really ill call again?

OMG its only wednesday nights. OMG ****...........


have to go this wednesday then

Are you racing tonight?

[Demanius]

****, i fogot my helmet at my friends place.

do they supply helmets?

[marcs_sp20]

short answer no...

[Demanius]

omg, have to try to get one...


im gonna get a BMC intake, the stock intake pisses me off, so restrictive....

[-dc-]

****, i fogot my helmet at my friends place.

do they supply helmets?

Definately not, it must meet ANDRA standards too

[Demanius]

FOund out what was wrong with ,my car, the suspension settleed in, the toe was badly out and wheel alignment gone.

braking was poor, and speed was non existent.

did a proper wheel alignment at pedders, got the suspension sorted.

this car really flies now, andthe brakes are working better.


dont get me wrong, im getting front slotted and cross drilled discs soon.

cant wait.

it does feel like a high 14 second car, im scared to take it eastern as i got no ad-whateva approved helmet. plus i dont want to break something in the process of racing.

and im too busy with a woman lately.

got the bmc intake stuck on, fitted nicely, and the induction roar is even more present. crazy.


I want to buy anotha KL-ZE in a reasonable to bad state. Enough to fully built with JUN internals, i want this engine to rev to 8000rpm to 8500 rpm.

ill get my cousin to build it for me.

thats my plans. and keeps my reasonably stocky Kl-ze now safe and im pristine condition for back up.

[Demanius]

yes, a couple of car alarms, have gone off, when i fly by at 7200rpm, mouhaha

[Demanius]

update jun dont make stuff for the engine, got some sources of mates, will see.....

[Demanius]

Get it dyno'd then least you know what it is, because an engine that was from factory 160kw as you claim due to wear and tear will lose power as it ages.

my Source - Wikipedia (always reliable)

Engine choice was the KL-ZE 2.5 DOHC V6 making 200 bhp (150 kW), a high compression version of the KL-DE, or the KF-ZE 2.0 DOHC V6 making 159 bhp (119 kW), all of the K series engines in the MX6 were based on the same engine block and included those found in the Ford Probe, Xedos 6 and MX-3 V6 models.. The KLZE had appromixately 40 more horsepower than the KLDE versions for a few reasons.


i know it 150 kilowatts stock, with the mods on it, im hoping 10 kw more than stock. hoping buddy lol. i would get it dynoed lol

[Rupewrecht]

update jun dont make stuff for the engine, got some sources of mates, will see.....

Have a search for some posts by boostedbatman - he sourced a heap of stuff from some guys in NSW that had a hand in the BTCC Mondeo engines (that used a destroked KL) - stronger rods and cams etc, from memory

[Demanius]

Back to the K8 Manifold, as its too good. plus sensors everywhere, engine wouldve seized lol

[project.r.racing]

a manifold causes engines to seize? wow that is a 1st!

[NaughtyGT]

all I can say is fark me :o

[Demanius]

Hey Guys on the Cruise Meeting at October 17, Can i get a waterproof Astina GT Sponsor sticker???????

[marcs_sp20]

never heard of a waterproof AGT sticker, as they are vinyl :p I have had mine on for over 3 years and its still as bright as it was the day I applied it :D

[mkid]

none of us have them laying around you will have to go thru rupe if you want one

[Rupewrecht]

Yeah, they're all waterproof. Get them here: http://www.astinagt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16063

[Noble323]

Hi,

Not doubting your engine is a KL-ZE .

But would anyone know why the intake mainfold on the driver side has a wavey style bend instead of the straight 90 degree bend style that they normally do ?

I cant remember where the engine number was on these - i think back where that intake thing i was talking about to confirm ?

And where the throttle body side is - on your engine is more of a 45degree instead of the 15degree style.

Or am i just imaging things ? :)

or is it a Kl-ze engine with a Kf intake ?

can anyone confirm as its abit interesting as i never seen that style intake on KL.

[Demanius]

I think your right, I'll post more pictures of the engine bay.

the intake has a curved neck at the bottom for the ram intake system.

THe Sensors and MAF are KL-ZE

the AIR BOX, has KF with Japanese writing on it. I THINK ITS THE LANTIS TYPE R INTAKE SYSTEM?

IS THAT BAD IF IT IS? Thats why the brake booster has moved???

[Demanius]

Edit** The Brake booster is on the back of the engine i think? thats what the mechanic told me, i dont know?

this is exciting, as im lost as to what ram intake system it is??? lol

[Demanius]

Yes KF-ZE lantis type R intake system, beautiful :P

[Demanius]

Im a mad mazda supporter


The real reason i love honda type Rs, is im a mad honda supporter too

I couldnt afford a DC integra type R

15-to 20000 dollars for a good one.

So my cousin built the astina hardtop with KL-ZE, i drove it, went hard, so yeh cheap and did it up.

Feels like type R in a way, light weight rev happy.

Now if i have the money, i wouldnt change it for the world.


GO Mazda's :)

go honda's too :)

and porsches :)

[Demanius]

Update, whoever wants to upgrade to a KL-ZE.

Prepare for increases in fuel costs lol. leadfoots beware :D rofl

[Demanius]

NOS is like a hot chick with AIDS, you know you wanna hit that,your just afraid of the consequences... :D


I lvoe this quote from one of our members, mouhahahaah

[Demanius]

its been a pleasure with you guys :) i will still be a member of the great mazda forums ;)

[Demanius]

ok, i will stop changing my mind all the time :)

BP turbo engine will it suit my car? say a GTR model for easier power gains or the KL-ZE?

[bourbon]

for our sake im gonna say no...you say your not aloud to get a supercharger kit so i doubt youll be aloud to get a turbo

[Demanius]

lol, i almost got a r32 gtr on finance, but im defaulted ffs lol dad didnt care he laughed at me.


I want my astina faster......

[Rupewrecht]

Start saving. Once you get to $3k, then we'll tell you what you should do

[bourbon]

at the moment i dont no if anyone on here cares...think really hard about what you want cause as soon as you spend the $$$ its gone...also are you going to do all the conversions yourself or get a shop to do it? if your getting a shop to do it think about saving an extra $1,000-$2,000 depending on where you go ;)

[Demanius]

my first cousin will do it for me, but your right, wasting more money is a hard decision lol

[Clean_Cookie]

Wasting money is easy. I do it all the time!

[Demanius]

buying KLZE's from america and canada is this wise? prices are good.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-KL-Engine-2-5L-DOHC-V6-MX-6-Probe-GT-Carve-Intake-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3a5f2e7dd4QQitemZ25070 4985556QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries


edit, stuff the gtr, skylines are too common and i love the hardtop.

like rupey i want my hardtop to really shine :)

no more sale bull shizzles :)


thanks again boys for helping me, throughout my craziness. I bought a great car and sticking with it.

[Rupewrecht]

Wreckers here can get them, or for NZ isn't too bad. Or i can possibly find you one in Japan. But shipping from the US is gonna rape you for something that heavy.

[Demanius]

thanks rupey. your the best :) see what the prices are going for in japan.

edit. * My uncle a panel beater, to fix my car to smick is only 800 bucks with paint, going to do that when im ready :)

[Demanius]

god, my dicky friends r annoying, they say my car is **** and to buy a skyline r33 gts t for 10 grand,instead of my car.

i want my car to be great, not just quarter mile, but responsive around the track.

peer pressure, it is a b shizzled annoyance.

they r annoying, what you guys think, rupey your car is sick and i enjoy driving my car.


can front wheel drives be has fast around the track as rear wheel drives or different class all together?

not that i care, the hardtop is a good chassis.


and i enjoy your guys company on the forums and this club is great.

[project.r.racing]

if you didn't care then you wouldn't be asking these stupid questions.

[Demanius]

true, stupid post

[Clean_Cookie]

and yet another. sigh.

[bourbon]

just sell it and live an easier life...you wont have to do anything to a skyline to make it fast...and you will also be able to drift it too

[Demanius]

stuff the friends, they can get stuffed. not seeing them for a while.

5k dumped into my car, what anotha 2 k plus a megasquirt ecu for a KLZE, then it will fly.

then i can rest in peace, cause i like the car.

[alex_d]

5k dumped into my car, what anotha 2 k plus a megasquirt ecu for a KLZE, then it will fly.

still wont be as quick as a skyline.......

[Demanius]

true, have to keep it, as cant afford a skyline til next year

[bourbon]

ive got the megasquirt system sitting in my bedroom for ya, buy it before it goes onto ebay

[Demanius]

wooo how much bourbon, i can tune the jap spec KF good.

[bourbon]

$380 posted, all the ones i can see are going for about $450 + $40-$50 post...

ohh and its brand new never been used...

[Drakh]

oh oh oh!, if he don't buy it, I certainly will. Finally have my klze in a stable non leaking fashion, bout time to get MAX POWER from the ecu

Also, I'll just add my sympathies in regards 2 ur mates and their attitude 2 ur car, I get that from all my mates too, in their altezzas n skylines n silvias. I even get flak from the girls sometimes!!!
What I always do in that situation is say "atleast its not a hondar" - but i guess u wont b saying that aye mate :D
In a land full off nissan turbos, the lantis actually becomes a really unique car, cause no1 ever bothers to do it up over here.
And heres my 2c worth of advice for ya. When u get a klze, make damn well sure its gonna b in mint condition. I'm on my 3rd klze so far and I have hated every single engine transplant, first times the hardest so get it right then and there.

'edit' AAAND, it all plugs in more or less exactly the same way a kfze comes out, so anybody can do it really, just gotta have the patience. So dont pay no damn mechanic............
Tho might explain why i've had 2 do it 3 times already..................:rolleyes:

Anyways thats my random rant dun
goodluck

[bourbon]

so demanius are you wanting it or not, youve deleted your posts saying you will take it?

[Demanius]

yeh ill have it, have to pay you not this week but next week.

its one step closer, to my kl-ze dumping in my car dream astina lol :)


THanks Drakh, ill get my first cousin to do it :)


Yeh the lantis is unique, stuff the hondas haha :)

[bourbon]

ok so if you dont let me know by thursday next week it will end up going to drakh

[Demanius]

Update, better for me to do the engine and computer in one hit, which wont be for a while.


so drakh, needs it more then me, so give it him. thanks bourbon ill find anotha mega squirty com, closer to when i get the klze engine.

[mikey_something]

i vote roger in disguise.
*big sigh*

[bourbon]

if only, i think this guy doesnt have the same knowledge roger does, roger is the worlds smartest car person out there...

[Demanius]

relax boys lol. haha ill finish the car sooner or later :)

[bourbon]

thats something ******** roger would say...but only thing is roger would never say his cars would be slow...

[Demanius]

Well, when i get my mazdaspeed charge le mans jacket , red one, which is still in the post. lol

i will wear it proudly, with my astina hardtop :)


thanks rupe :)

[Demanius]

i appreciate rupeys help , seriously. the curved neck is the choice, flatter torque curve earlier in the rev range i read, and abit easier fit into the bay.

it will happen, have to stay focused.

[marcs_sp20]

I think we get the point... 53 of your posts in this thread saying the same thing... Time to move on from this thread and into your project thread which says just about the same thing :rolleyes:

[ethand]

wow... this is pretty epic discussion hahaha
I used to have a astina hardtop, too... was my first car... they're nice little cars. the reason they're so light, though... its coz the doors etc. are tinny/hollow and things dont seem to be up to Mazda's usual high quality and solid-ness standards.... maybe it was just mine (it was a lil dodgy.. it lacked a lil paint and had a bit of rust)...
Congrats on the buy, hope to see ya stick at the hardtop :)