Denis' 323 Hardtop KFZE Manual Sports Pack V6

[Demanius]

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[Orion]

stuff that, ill buy Spirit R Rx7 for 40 k lol

There was one of those for sale recently. And for a shape under $40k too ;)

[Noble323]

hi champ,

nice project your trying to do, lol i had 3xhardtop and each one i always wanted to upgrade the engine and parts etc..

when i was reseaching i found alot in america have ford probes KL-ZE 2.5litre engines and with heavy mods on alot and got alot of ideas from there and custom part numbers

do a search on yahoo for forums etc.. you get a fair few ideas there

even www.cardomain.com seach under ford probe 1992-1997 i think and will find - some who i contacted there and got parts number

good thing alot of parts are in america

plus ebay is a good place to find random things

like chipped ecu's for that engine, the millenia 2.3litre conrods by memory are thicker than the klze 2.5 litre, same length, but i cant remember if the original pistons on the 2.5litre fit or needed custom .

even a nice KL-ZE oil cap made from excellent material = ebay item number 260585246449

depending on your budget i can probably help you on things and direct you - but what is your budget ? and do u think turbo or n/a ?

cause if i know roughly the budget i can guess what the max things you can do to your car .

[marcs_sp20]

Looks to be standard to me, what colour is the filter??

[project.r.racing]

Type R, Type X, regular intakes were all the same I believe.

[-dc-]

interesting find on Carsales.com.au

Carsales Link (http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=9227716&keywords=turbo&tsrc=allcarhome&__Ntk=CarAll&__Nne=15&__Dx=mode%20matchany&__D=turbo&silo=1011&seot=1&__sid=126706C63030&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294965340% 204294964064&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_PriceSort_D ecimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&__Qpb=true&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Cr=3&__Ntt=turbo&trecs=7)

[project.r.racing]

$16.5K for a $5K car with $2.5K worth of engine? Any one else confused?

[-dc-]

$16.5K for a $5K car with $2.5K worth of engine? Any one else confused?

very! :(

[Orion]

That sounds like a good way to go with things Dennis.

It gives you more time to research your mod's and plan how they are going to work together.

By taking some time and not rushing to buy things, you might get some good deals along the way ;)

[Clean_Cookie]

so, you gonna show us a photo :p

[project.r.racing]

No pics of the brakes or coilovers?

Nice strut tops on your coilovers there also!

Lol!

WHY IS THE REAR STOCK HEIGHT? SURELY YOU DIDN'T PAY $1400 TO LOWER THE FRONT ONLY?

[70NYD]

That's what stock rear hight looks like... Why I'd your car nose diving?? It won't perform on the track if it nosedives.. If you are fitting oversized wheels (wheel being rim+tyre) to fit the guards a it's illegal and b it's gonna throw your handling way off

[Clean_Cookie]

lowering the back will also raise the front which would probably be a good thing too, as it looks a little too low imho esp for "track" work!

[70NYD]

seeing how they are springs, wont they need to get all new springs in?
question
your front strut tops are rather tall, are the back ones this tall as well?? because this might be the reason why its lower at the front than at the back..

[Rupewrecht]

Yeah, no way that back is right. When you said it was higher, i didn't think you meant that much higher!

[project.r.racing]

are the springs red on the rear? or black?

[Clean_Cookie]

Personally I'd refuse to take it until it was fixed ...hope pedders fix it if it's. Their mistake

[Cosmo Dude]

Looking at the engine you should look for a Millenia inlet manifold to free up some of the KL-ZE potential.

[Noble323]

Hmmmmmm,

dunno if anyone can remember when i got pedders set up and stated it was S**T !

The back springs i had alot of trouble with pedders them making up stuff etc... but were high instead of low

What they ended up doing for me was giving me (i think they were off a nissan pulsar cant remember was year) rear spring and the back went lower.
The only problem was if you go over a hole or over a speed hump a bit to fast the springs would pop outta the groove and made a ugly metal sound - thats when you know its pop'd out, basically had to put over, use a jack - put them in the right groove - lower the jack and was okay - happened about 10 times with me in 2yrs .

I wish you posted earlier i could have gave you a shop's number that can make them to whatever height/low you want and KYB Shocks - honestly better than pedders, as i hated there springs as it was bouncy for some reason, when its not meant to be.

Hope they think of something and help you out - cause they really didnt help me :( only bulls**t me .


Like i said the springs they provided me with the back i think were off a nissan pulsar

here a picture of my old car with those springs - ignore the front, i know its high was testing something, but have a look at the back and on 17'' 205x40x17 tyres

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc46/Trancemaster79/Picture003.jpg?t=1284280713

[70NYD]

oh yeah i remember some other ppl having drama with pedders as well.. it was mentioned many many times in threads here already.

[Clean_Cookie]

Dude! Seriously stop repeditively posting. You've got a few things you've actually done and the rest meaninglessposts. Look at everyone's logs... only updated with updates and makes it easier to follow for everyone. I'm sure I'm the only one thinking the same thing...

[Rupewrecht]

They're decent, apparently. But the rear manifold needs to be modded at the bottom to fit Astinas though

[alex_d]

ah kewl. Getting proper racing 2.5 inch cat convertor installed today. ill take a picture of it before installation.

2-2.25inch piping will be replacing by full stainless steel 2.5 inch piping next week or week after.

And a K and N Pod filter will be planned, threading it down low for cold air intake.

Hi Denis

Proper racing cat on a road registered vehicle? What's the CPI of the cat (cells per inch)?, whats the core material ceramic or metal?

Wouldn't you be better off doing the exhaust all at once from the headers to the tailpipe rather than having it re-done everytime you put a new peice on ie: 2.5in cat on 2.25in pipe and then have to have the cat re-flanged or re-welded when you replace the pipe to 2.5in next week?

Dude, save your money and do it right the first time.

Damo.

[bourbon]

Dude, save your money and do it right the first time.

buts its more fun when you get little bit by little bit done :p

seriously save up some money and do stuff like full exhaust in one go...cheaper in the long run and youll be happier in the end too...

[pat323]

if you head out next week, i might head out and try my stock mx6.it would be good to see how it will come up against a klze

[project.r.racing]

16.4 - you are right up there with stock 1.8L BA Astinas. Go hard!!!

[marcs_sp20]

SO just because you got a crappy run time (considering this is your first time at the track if I recall) you're going to sell the car... :confused:

Go out next week...

[Mad Mat]

16.4 - you are right up there with stock 1.8L BA Astinas. Go hard!!!

hey my car does that with the muffler and intake...

[70NYD]

dude no offence but learn how to take of and shift properly. i hope u werent double clutching.. (this isnt FF) seriusly do as marc said, you will get better. everyone does with practice. u have a light car with good engine, you should go faster than that. dont stress ul b fine ;)

[Mad Mat]

dude no offence but learn how to take of and shift properly. i hope u werent double clutching.. (this isnt FF) seriusly do as marc said, you will get better. everyone does with practice. u have a light car with good engine, you should go faster than that. dont stress ul b fine ;)

exactly... also.. take **** out.. like subs and amps too that makes her lighter.. i took out my hole back seats one time... but it was just down to practice and low psi tires that i got the 16.4 pass.. had some tractin issues on take off....

[Noble323]

Lol, sorry but you have to admit its a funny post, how you wanted to do it up, then you got a unhappy time - with basically no mods - and now you want to sell - and i dont mean it in a bad way seriously, just sounds funny .


You could not be that good of a driver ? like me ....

example 2yrs ago my brothers car gsr with evo2 engine - and alot of $$$ spent like exhaust, cams, internals etc..
- anyways he ran in a time best of 11.82, and i swear the week after that we went again and i was driving and no bulls**t i did a best of 13.7 first try was low 14 - lol - big difference in car that can do better when im driving, my shifting aint that good :(

Honestly reckon your car with the klze should be close to breaking in the mid/low 15 - with a little more mod's, like adding a proper CAI, maybe look at the exhaust you installed you then should maybe break in the high 14's, after that gets abit pricy since its not turbo'd


But to be 100% honest - looks like you want a fast car and your car without alot and lot of dollars spent you wont get it, maybe a hardtop with a bpt is something really want ? cause after market parts are much easier to find compared to the v6 and cheaper or another car ?

Not trying to be rude - but beening honest to you .


Also i know you confirmed the engine numbers - but im still think you may still have the 2Litre instead of the 2.5Litre - cause of the intake.
$6500 i honestly think will be hard to get even $5000 if your lucky.

Again in my post if i sound rude or anything like that - not trying to be - just trying to be honest .

[bourbon]

should have the engine number on the drivers side of the engine...

[70NYD]

its probably caked in oil. look for a little raised flat surface and clean it ;)

[bourbon]

KL has engine id at the drivers side rear, KF is drivers side front...

[bourbon]

doesnt matter what the intake says...look for the engine identification plate...

[70NYD]

OR you can look at the engine number that the car is registered with.. its on your slip
(on your RWC)

[Cosmo Dude]

If the heads don't say KL-101 and KL-1A1 then I doubt seriously that it's a KL-ZE, could still be a KF-ZE or KL-DE. The engine number will only help to identify if it's a KF, KL or K8 not if it's DE or ZE.

[bourbon]

nap you gotta sell it, its not quick enough

[Clean_Cookie]

yeah its terrible, absolutely no chance in making it go faster. just buy a honda.

[mikey_something]

this is a fun thread to read.

[marcs_sp20]

No its funny cause you change your mind just like my Fiance, who cant seem to stay with one idea & run with it...

You find out you dont have what you thought you have, and you run for the hills... pointless much?

[bourbon]

no its not marc

[marcs_sp20]

If I were in the same boat, i'd be sticking with it, considering its still over 20kw more the Aus delivered KF's...

I just dont think much thought has gone into the rather fast change of heart, which is now the 2nd time this has been advertised in a matter of weeks... All over what motor is in the car!?!?!?

[scott b]

No its funny cause you change your mind just like my Fiance, who cant seem to stay with one idea & run with it...

You find out you dont have what you thought you have, and you run for the hills... pointless much?

ROFL hope she doesnt ever read this :p

[marcs_sp20]

Wedding stuff, you'll understand one day Scott :p

Meh, whatever Denis, Better off selling and getting something with Vtec y0!

[Cosmo Dude]

It's easier to blame the car and move on...

[Clean_Cookie]

lol @ cosmo and marc!

[project.r.racing]

maybe you could get good tyres and good quality suspension set up, and it might do the quarter faster.

[70NYD]

5k with clutch dump = wheel spin in a open diff fwd unless u get like 255 up front

[project.r.racing]

if you are hitting the limiter, then your are wasting valuable 1/100s of seconds.

suspension is not ok.

yes dunlop ar expensive, does not make them good.

weight removal will get you better times.

if they are your buddies, why the sell you expensive s@#t tyres?

drag strip lol it not even real racing, you cannot hit anything drive in a straight line.

[Clean_Cookie]

LOL! dunlop seem way overpriced....and a SUBWOOFER! if you want to be serious, GET SERIOUS> bye bye spare tyre, every seat apart from drivers, remove carpet, doorcards, dash trim, took me about 3hrs to do the lot when i was doing something totally unrelated, but took it for a drive and WOO HOO. also ive heard of people taking off the P/S pump/belt and draining the power steering fluid and blocking up the pipes. on the 1.8s someone claimed an increase of 7 or so KW. take off aircon related stuff (beware of crazy pressurized gas!) and youll be laughing. if you are still really keen some 15-16inch forged lightweight alloys with semi/slicks will put you up there too.

[Clean_Cookie]

why not fix it yourself? from what i understand, changing springs/struts isnt too difficult if you have a socket set, a hammer, some spring compressors, ring spanners perhaps, a torch and some car stands.

[project.r.racing]

pull the whole lot out, throw it all in the bin, go buy some bc coilovers, put them in.

[alex_d]

I know project, i shoudlve listened to you guys f--k lol 1400 dollars down the tubes :(

1400 for Pedders suspension..... :eek:f-me! ,1000 for BC Coilovers where you can adjust your own ride height for that full sick look and 32 damper settings for faster drag times...:p

[70NYD]

...
take it back to pedders.. they HAVE to refund you the money if the product is not as advertised.. if they put up a hussle threaten to complain to authorities (i think accc should do the job ;))

[bourbon]

i still say sell the car, its not doing what you want it to do, buy something from the start that is ready to go else your just waisting money by the sounds of it...unless if you like waisting money

[bourbon]

yeah man that sounds awesome!!!

[Clean_Cookie]

can i have your money as it seems you will just waste more... ill put it to better use in an electric car haha.

[bourbon]

we dont like honda boys :p

[phildough]

mouhahaha i love it :P


my car is pretty quick on road beat a eunos 30x v6, was good race :)

i know how to drive, just crack sometimes under pressure lol

If you didn't beat a aus spec 1.8L V6 with your jap spec 2.0 V6 I would be laughing, personally I would have expected you to have wiped his ass with your car.
But the 30X could have easily had a better driver.

[bourbon]

If you didn't beat a aus spec 1.8L V6 with your jap spec 2.0 V6 I would be laughing, personally I would have expected you to have wiped his ass with your car.
But the 30X could have easily had a better driver.

i just think his car is tooo slow, its not what he wanted and he needs to get rid of it asap!

[Clean_Cookie]

$1000 is my offer! ill turn it electric and flog your hondas ASS. for about 2kms until its flat.

[project.r.racing]

best honda with 4 wheels for you.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e189/deejayryry/B3fkSQBmkKGrHqQOKjoEyO3uu5fcBMmbItjR2w_12.jpg

any other honda will have too much power for you.

[marcs_sp20]

make sure it to pimp it out too with stickers, free KW there!!

Something I prepared earlier, easily does my lawn in 40mins flat! :p

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm43/marcs_sp20/13112009304.jpg

[project.r.racing]

Geez! The sticker must make the total power up to 5Hp!

[marcs_sp20]

nah, its now 15hp :p

[mikey_something]

Guys come on be serious... Those lawn mowers have an acceleration of (9.8ms^-2)*sin(theta), on the right slope, thats some serious pull!

[chicaboo]

Their power to weight might be above the P plate restriction too... :(

[70NYD]

take it easy people..

[mkid]

omg im getting pounded


loled

[phildough]

I have a pair of petrol powered skateboards at home, im sure they would give you a good run for your money and are way more fun to ride than your Astina is to drive and I will happily swap them for your car.
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu15/phildough_photos/100_5352.jpg
Ohh and you can have the mags as well for free.

[bourbon]

just buy a push bike, that way you cant blame the vehicle and only yourself...but make sure you pit a big turbo sticker on your arse so it doubles your hp to .005

[mikey_something]

phil will you really sell those? they're pretty damn cool :P

[phildough]

phil will you really sell those? they're pretty damn cool :P

Yes I will sell them if someone offered me the right money.

[alex_d]

Hey guys, here's one thats ready to go, I hear it's a 10 second mower.......

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy277/damo323/Public/mower.jpg[/IMG]

[Clean_Cookie]

oh dear. almost as bad as the V8 chainsaw i saw on youtube.

[Cosmo Dude]

Hey guys, here's one thats ready to go, I hear it's a 10 second mower.......

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy277/damo323/Public/mower.jpg

They don't look loike Hoosiers :eek:

[Noble323]

Hmmmmmmmm...

This thread is abit sad with pointless (trying to be funny) posts dunno why everyone is responding stupidly.

[project.r.racing]

sell it. you'll be spending money in the wrong places like you have for the past 3 months. ie- suspension. start fresh and buy something else.

[bourbon]

ryan is 100% right...

[marcs_sp20]

^^ Agreed with the above.

[Noble323]

Champ,

i think i speak for everyone thats read your posts/thread, sell it !

you know its going to cost you for than 5k for do whatever your thinking/hoping to get power that you want, even if you spent 5k honestly it wont get you far, a standard bpt will most likely beat it, and a good modified bpt will kill it.


PS : have you even got 5k to spend ? cause one minute you say you do, then your broke, then your parents will kill you if you spend that much ? now not sounding rude but....... do you know what you want and what your allowed to have ? you allowed to drive a turbo ?


or better tell us what power your hoping to get and your budget, and we'll all tell you if its possible, but saying that if your are really committed to spend $$$$ and not just say it .

[bourbon]

his profile says hes 26...so should able to drive a turbo

[project.r.racing]

you are 25, surely your parents do not have a say in it? are you not a big boy now? all grown up?

[bourbon]

you didnt leave it on carsales for long...it can take a couple of days for ads to show up...

[70NYD]

How r u gonna sell ur suspension when it makes your car sit wrong??? Who would buy that???

[Clean_Cookie]

How much do you actually have available to spend?

[bourbon]

just cause a car is low doesnt mean it will handle better

[marcs_sp20]

I think I speak for everyone here, you WILL change your mind yet again, better off selling it and starting fresh, otherwise you're just wasting money....

[phildough]

It would do a 1/4 mile in less than that time if you pushed it off a tall enough cliff.
You dont need to have a car that goes that fast.
You will get caught speeding and you will crash it.
Remember speed kills.
Can't you be happy with what you already have??

[mkid]

denis your car can do that without anymore mods
pull the speakers subs, and amps out
strip the interior down, take out the seats, doorcards most of the dash and all of the centre console
learn how to shift and take off properly. you said that you keep hitting the limiter
theres no power out there so i dont know why your hitting it in first second and third
anyway
and make sure your using the right tyres at the right psi
it will take time to get it right but it can be done

but as you keep changing your mind and not listening to anything anyone has said
your just throwing money at stuff that wont do anything worth while

so its up to you if you like the car and listen to people advice and act accordingly you will get what you want and have a fast car that handles great

if you dont want to even try then just sell it or trade it in on whatever you want that you think will make you happy and stop changing your mind every 5 bloody seconds

this is your worklog. its suppose to be on things you have done to the car. all you did was put extractors on, lower it, and get a c!@#$y exthuast installed. and its 8 pages long. most of which is dribble.

so make up your mind. keep it and make it what you want. sell it and get something already done up or build something else like a skyline or hsv commodore

[bourbon]

there is no way he can run 13s with that setup...

[70NYD]

want to add to waht mkid said
weight, grip and shift time are the most important things
like mkid said STRIP THE FCUKER OUT and it will be lighter.. run it on least amount of petrol possible..
have a LSD with the fattest tyres posible on your driving wheels on slightly lower than reccomended pressure and thinnest tyres you can find on highest allowable pressure for your non driving wheels..
learn where your torque and power curves sit and where they peak.. there is NO POINT in reving much past the peaks, this is where you shift.. you want to shift so when in next gear your rpm is a few hundred to a thousand bellow your peak torque, as anything less you are underpowered (torque is acceleration, your hp is what will push you to top speed)
you MIGHT get 14's like this

and FFS stop changing your mind and updating every 5 seconds.. you have 8 pages of thread (6th highest for all the worklogs) and yet the thread was made a month and a bit ago.. i mean come on.. get serious, this isnt kindergarden or boostloosing

[70NYD]

If your gonna get a exhaust, WAIT, get the extractors and rest done at same time.. Cus that way everything will be matched properly. Get a higher flow cat, preferably a ceramic one although they are deerer. As for coilovers, they are easily installed, setting them Up correctly takes some time, like a few hours, cus after every setup ul need to drive the car for a few meters, let's say 100, with heavy gas followed by heavy break and turning the wheel sharply a few times to let it settle. Each corner of the car will need to be adjusted separately cus coilovers springs are stiffer and don't sagg unevenly like normal springs (not all but I'm talking strictly from my D2 experience) if your coilovers springs are 2stage then they will more than likely settle more evenly. Remember that each corner of the car weighs differently and lifting one side up will result in the other 3 being affected. Take your time and it will be fine. Or pay someone and don't worry bout it lol. I prefer not paying for anything mechanical, since I don't exactly trust mechanics. For electrical I have no choice cus that **** takes forever for me lol
By 2stage I mean the spring has two various rates, one part of the spring is wound more tightly as well and this part takes up the sagg more and levels it self out. (progressive).
Linear springs Or one stage compress by the weight on them and since the car isn't true 50/50 50/50 (f/b l/r) each corner has different weight

[Drakh]

The staight neck is a squeeze with the battery but yeah it fits

[bourbon]

are you serious??? talk to an aussie importer...theyll get one coming for you and do it while the $$$ is still good...

[Cosmo Dude]

AUD is only good against the USD ATM. 'bout 81Y buys 1 AUD or USD
Still why pay two lots of freight for an engine.

[Rupewrecht]

http://page17.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/v105964799
http://page21.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/j98286271

75000yen/$930 each, looking at around $1880 landed in Melb via container.

So they can be found in japan...but that's the only two on the auctions!

[bourbon]

seriously next time before you type...go away and think to yourself for a day before posting...

[bourbon]

lol will do, you dont gotta love me, im a lunatic all the time lol


3000 views im wasting peoples time lol

sooooo fixed your last post for you

[zappy65]

No pics makes this thread FAIL!!!

Pics or it didn't happen!!!

[Clean_Cookie]

zappy there are pics... amongst all the crap.

[project.r.racing]

pics are just proof of the stupidity that is this whole thread.

[Drakh]

NZ klze $400-$600 delivered to your door (in nz ofcourse)
Jealous much?

[Clean_Cookie]

lol yes im jealous.

i got the Japanese spec ECU, KF_ZE so it should run the engine fine when i get it. Reading on Mr Obessed and Boosted Batmans, thread on the engine conversion. it works with that one.

All good so far. Cold Air Intake Works, as i saw the pictures. Curved neck should provide more clearance.

Ther are plenty of pics of my car. Ill post more when i get the back of the suspension done.


THis thread, was never good, i will turn it worse, with lack of maturity and craziness of changing minds all the time. its more fun that way.

when will you just save up for a month, and then sit down with your parents and say" look this is what i want to do with my car. PLEASE? then post up PROGRESS into here :)

[70NYD]

now THAT option i like, and its gonna cost you same if not less as a NA built KL
stick to that plan bro :)

[phildough]

OMG STOP CHANGING YOUR MIND.
Your driving us insane!!!

[Clean_Cookie]

i guess my previous post was correct... reread it1 =)

[bourbon]

so you went against getting coilovers again? also went against getting a full exhausts from the engine to back done?

[project.r.racing]

You paid Pedders $1400 for mis-allitude springs, then you pay them another $140 fixing their problem.

Kiss all your plans goodbye. Your stupidity with money will never mean you can financially achive your plans.

[Noble323]

You paid Pedders $1400 for mis-allitude springs, then you pay them another $140 fixing their problem.

Kiss all your plans goodbye. Your stupidity with money will never mean you can financially achive your plans.


I was just thinking that when i read it - you actually paid for there mistake .........

But saying that do you have pictures of what it actually looks like now ?

[Rupewrecht]

Better. But still too high in the rear IMO. But i personally prefer the sills under the doors to be level with the ground.

[Clean_Cookie]

now, that sounds like the best idea since youve bought the car haha! some new rims?

[project.r.racing]

fix the suspension faults?

[Rupewrecht]

An LSD

[70NYD]

If ur after Mazda rims I might be selling the stock rx8 ones :p

[marcs_sp20]

If ur after Mazda rims I might be selling the stock rx8 ones :p

hold off on that, there maybe someone in brisbane after RX8 rims ;)

[Rupewrecht]

They'd be offset fail on a BA :p

[70NYD]

hold off on that, there maybe someone in brisbane after RX8 rims ;)
Okidoki :p

They'd be offset fail on a BA :p
Oh I didn't think bout that