Can not wait to get my sp20 auto

[maz sp20]

Can not wait to get my sp20 auto & start modifying it.It`s going to get new exhaust,headers, cold air intake, performane chip, rims & lowered and that`s just for starters...

[mynameisdaniel]

Is there a reason you're so keen on an auto? Manuals are much funner :p

And if you're talking about those $10 performance chips they'll do more harm than good.

[phildough]

Can not wait to get my sp20 auto & start modifying it.It`s going to get new exhaust,headers, cold air intake, performane chip, rims & lowered and that`s just for starters...

Sounds like a great plan, but if you want a lot more power dont waste money on the FS-DE, just save up for the FS-ZE + tiptronic gearbox transplant as they will give you more power gains+fun than anything you have mentioned as the JDM FS-ZE comes standard with more power(120-129KW) (no need for performance chips as they do NOTHING to these cars), a better set of extractors / headers.
As for a cold air intake do what some of us here have done and make your own, they work just as well and cost a hell of a lot less, and some CAI's look better than the aftermarket ones.

[smurfy]

phill, who has made there own intake on here ?

[phildough]

I made my own out of a piece of used intercooler stainless steel pipe
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu15/phildough_photos/IMG_09551.jpg,
Orion has written a nice how to
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3457/dsc04551v.jpg (http://www.astinagt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=246288&postcount=63)


Yay this is my 1000th post!!

[marcs_sp20]

Can not wait to get my sp20 auto & start modifying it.It`s going to get new exhaust,headers, cold air intake, performane chip, rims & lowered and that`s just for starters...

Sounds like a plan mate, my suggestion if you dont want a droney exhaust (seeing its auto), you look into a twin loop muffler, they are pretty quiet and yield some good power figures by themselves ;)

Chriptorque did a chip for the SP20's, but Bang for buck ($1000+ installation for ~10kw) they arent worth it.

So with a free flowing exhaust, nice CAI (made or bought, your choice), you should see 85kw at the wheels.

In my opinion, its enough before you want to step it up to what Phil has done, but seeing most people are on budgets, the next best thing would be suspension work. A set of eibach springs & a rear sway bar should see you have fun on the twisties for starters ;)

[phildough]

In my opinion, its enough before you want to step it up to what Phil has done, but seeing most people are on budgets, the next best thing would be suspension work.)

I destroyed my budget with my engine swap as I wasn't expecting it to die in the first place.

I would only recommend the FS-ZE swap if you destroy your engine or can pick up a high KM auto or one with a destroyed engine or gearbox very cheaply.

But it is well worth it, soon I will have 37KW more than what the car came with.

Which considering the extra cost over just buying an engine here is well worth it as you cant get an extra 30+ KW from a FS-DE with out spending big $$$$$$

[marcs_sp20]

There is however a flaw in your chase for power, and thats how its thrown to the wheels: Your F-Series box...

You will never see me go down the road of ZE, IMO, not worth it when you can build a bullet-proof engine for less then what you paid + labour put together, but hey different strokes for different blokes..

[Clean_Cookie]

marc, its also one of those:ive got something limited edition and theres only a few out there sorta deal. phil, go turbo with those high comp pistons and make some big power :P

[phildough]

There is however a flaw in your chase for power, and thats how its thrown to the wheels: Your F-Series box...

You will never see me go down the road of ZE, IMO, not worth it when you can build a bullet-proof engine for less then what you paid + labour put together, but hey different strokes for different blokes..


I would love to see some one rebuild my engine and get it to put put out more than 129 KW and be bullet proof from it for less than $1800.
Hell if someone thinks they can do it they can have it its just sitting in the back yard rusting.

My engine suffered serious water damage and it also had no oil pressure so it would have cost me a hell of a lot more to have rebuilt my engine than it cost me to get this one up and running,(remember Marc I spent $600 more than it would have cost for a just an engine from the wreckers and I got the engine + dash and Mazdaspeed extractors and ECU and starter motor and alternator) so far its cost me a LOT less than you spent rebuilding your engine after your VICS failed for it to have less power than a stock SP 20.

I know the F series gearbox is weak and if it does cause any problems I will replace it, I allready have a G series heavy duty Excedy clutch here waiting.
But there are a few people out there that are using an F series gearbox with a BP-T and thats got way more power than my engine.

Right now with the wrong ECU and no VICS im putting out more power than you.
But none the less as you said different strokes for different blokes.

marc, its also one of those:ive got something limited edition and theres only a few out there sorta deal. phil, go turbo with those high comp pistons and make some big power :P

I didn't want to let a Mazdaspeed engine slip past my fingers.
Its nice knowing that my cars powered by Mazdaspeed and not covered in stickers saying its a wannabe Mazdaspeed.

[marcs_sp20]

I would love to see some one rebuild my engine and get it to put put out more than 129 KW and be bullet proof from it for less than $1800.
Hell if someone thinks they can do it they can have it its just sitting in the back yard rusting.

My engine suffered serious water damage and it also had no oil pressure so it would have cost me a hell of a lot more to have rebuilt my engine than it cost me to get this one up and running,(remember Marc I spent $600 more than it would have cost for a just an engine from the wreckers and I got the engine + dash and Mazdaspeed extractors and ECU and starter motor and alternator) so far its cost me a LOT less than you spent rebuilding your engine after your VICS failed for it to have less power than a stock SP 20.

I know the F series gearbox is weak and if it does cause any problems I will replace it, I allready have a G series heavy duty Excedy clutch here waiting.
But there are a few people out there that are using an F series gearbox with a BP-T and thats got way more power than my engine.

Right now with the wrong ECU and no VICS im putting out more power than you.
But none the less as you said different strokes for different blokes.



Who said anything about producing more power? Power isnt everything.

In regards to my rebuild, my parents paid for most of it considering I had been laid off work, what put me over the line was the donations I received from 2 AGT members (Gav & Dave), and quite honestly, I just wanted my car back, yeah I could have gone with a 626 long block and thrown in some better rods & pistons for good measure, but no, my main goal was to have it on the road again.. VICS doesnt work (and thats how I like it) & in fact I do produce more power then a stock Sp20 - see below.

Have you not realised you do lose power from drivetrain loss? So that magical 129kw your chasing is really only 103.2kw, and that should be at the wheels. A stock SP20 puts out 98kw, which with drivetrain loss is around 78kw, so infact I do have more power then a stocker...

Im just sick & tired of the fact, at every opportunity, you try and ram the idea of an engine transplant is better, to me its getting stale.

[familiagtx]

all those figures quoted by manufacturers are generally estimated or at the flywheel not at the wheels.

to have 120-129kW at the wheels, you need to have a built high compression n/a or turbo charged

[marcs_sp20]

all those figures quoted by manufacturers are generally estimated or at the flywheel not at the wheels.

to have 120-129kW at the wheels, you need to have a built high compression n/a or turbo charged

QFT! ;)

It might be great to have some magical engine that produces more power, but you have forgotten to mention the amount that a normal mechanic would charge to swap everything over, then there is the amount of work to get the ECU to play nice, and that too would be an added extra ontop. Not everyone has a buddy mechanic that can do on "mates rates"

So finally, for a person to do a ZE engine swap + labour + loss of hair trying to get ECU to work right, your talking $5k+, on a car thats worth $10k now, I dont see it as being very liable costs wise...

[NaughtyGT]

DON'T chip it yet as unless you have a "known performance chip" (as Marc has stated) you will need to fug around too much with fuel mapping etc
@ the dyno tune = wasted $$$$'s for little kw gain!

marc, its also one of those:ive got something limited edition and theres only a few out there sorta deal. phil, go turbo with those high comp pistons and make some big power :P

um......boosting & high comp don't mix I'm afraid :o Yes, some cars are manufactured with lower comp such as 9.2, but anything over 9.5:1 is not desirable, even if you keep boost lower, what's the point? You can't run high boost if you need to down the track......also, most stock boosted engines are 'de-tuned' & can handle bucket loads more power than what is factory stated. Just need to know the engine before you start modifying with real power. As Phil I think is alluding to with the FS ZE is it's internal build strength. Far higher than stock FS so, a good performance platform.

all those figures quoted by manufacturers are generally estimated or at the flywheel not at the wheels.

to have 120-129kW at the wheels, you need to have a built high compression n/a or turbo charged

Yep ;) to put things into perspective for those not too clued up on boosting parameters, a stock turbo car may well be sold from factory with say 160kw at the fly. What you don't get told is that factory engine's internals can prolly handle another 15% power increase (24kw) with very simple bolt on mods with little cash outlayed, especially if you DIY ;) & twice that rated power if you go whole hog if you know how without opening the motor!.

How can you compare chalk with cheese?

Btw, all best OP for whatever you decide. These guys are always willing to help & suggest stuff. It's a great little sight :cool:

QFT! ;)

So finally, for a person to do a ZE engine swap + labour + loss of hair trying to get ECU to work right, your talking $5k+, on a car thats worth $10k now, I dont see it as being very liable costs wise...

Have to agree there Marc ;)

[phildough]

Where you get the $5K figure from I dont know.
You can get a stock FS-ZE imported for under $1400 and mechanics normally charge $600-1200 to install an engine.
I have the wiring diagrams and will help anyone who wants to do this as its olny going to be a few wires to be swapped.
When I have finished this conversion I will post a step by step guide on how to a FS-ZE swap.

I also know that its 129 KW at the flywheel, as I have said numerous times im only aiming for 100KW ATW.
In my case with a destroyed engine I felt the FS-ZE swap was a good idea for me, as I have said before, only think about the FS-ZE swap if you have a dead or dying engine.
Not just a swap for the hell of it as its a lot of money for a few extra KW.
In my case it might be a 129KW gain as the old engines DEAD

[Orion]

So finally, for a person to do a ZE engine swap + labour + loss of hair trying to get ECU to work right, your talking $5k+, on a car thats worth $10k now, I dont see it as being very liable costs wise...

Where you get the $5K figure from I dont know.
You can get a stock FS-ZE imported for under $1400 and mechanics normally charge $600-1200 to install an engine.
I have the wiring diagrams and will help anyone who wants to do this as its olny going to be a few wires to be swapped.
When I have finished this conversion I will post a step by step guide on how to a FS-ZE swap.

I think Marc just wanted to point out that $1,400 is not the final figure and that other costs should be considered. Also, some people need their car on a daily basis and cannot afford to risk having delays with a shop/mechanic (yes, there have been positive and negative experiences for many but it is a risk not the less).

Its great that others can you use yours (and Marcs) experiences with engine swaps/rebuilds to help them form their own opinions.

The more information available the better :) And I'm sure that we will find out new things in the future as you (Phil) progress with getting the swap up to its full capacity ;)

As Phil I think is alluding to with the FS ZE is it's internal build strength. Far higher than stock FS so, a good performance platform.


Not sure what Phil has said about the engine internals but between the ZE and DE there is virtually no difference. There are no fancy bearings or valve springs etc in the ZE internals, just better pistons and cams (oh and a better tune).

[maz sp20]

Hi mynameisdaniel, i have a disability that makes it very hard to drive a manual. as far as the chip that`s a no go. i got so much money to modify but no car yet it sux`s....

[maz sp20]

Hey marc, these twin loop muffers are they for sale at all muffer shops and what do they look like i think i konw the one`s .

[marcs_sp20]

X-Force still the Twin Loop, which is what I have, there mufflers are a little different in design to mine, but here's the oval X-Force:

http://www.bestmufflers.com/bshop/images/S12_RHS.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm43/marcs_sp20/muffler.jpg

From the XForce site:
Twin Loop Style Muffler design features exhaust gas flowing twice through muffler canister before exit, thereby doubling the silence effect while maintaining minimum restriction.
Parts:
7” Round Twin-loop: S10
5”X8” Oval Twin loop: S12

[smurfy]

xforce also make mufflers that you can control how loud it is..

http://www.xforce.com.au/about-varex-remote-control-sports-muffler.php

[mynameisdaniel]

Ahh that explains the auto then :)
I still can't figure out how they have better performance than a straight flow muffler, but there's no doubt they'd silence it all very well ;)
maz sp20 interested in doing a projector retrofit at all? :P
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2383/2432513934_843dfe7135_o.jpg

[A.E]

Ok ok ok

So take my case, I wouldn't mind doing the ZE swap. Now labour is no thing because let's face it if I can't swap an engine I should quit my job now. Lol
As for transport, I'll Yale a bus for a few weeks :P

Now the question is do I do a engine swap, or just buy crazy cams and hi comp pistons and do a complete rebuild??

Feel free to call me crazy :P

[maz sp20]

Projector set up look's good but not shaw if i want to go down that path.

[maz sp20]

The exhaust set up i get has to have a nice sound, so if the x-force one's don't have a good sound maybe there not for me but thank's marc.

[phildough]

Be careful with your exhaust choice as autos are prone to droning a bit and fitting something like a cannon will drive you nuts, I had one for a while and I slowly grew to hate it.
ATM I have a 2.5" straight thru muffler and 3 resonators that has great flow and a nice quiet note, it never drones and if you can get some autoexe, maxim works or Mazdaspeed extractors off Rupe.
I have noticed my set makes my car sound better.

[NaughtyGT]

Not sure what Phil has said about the engine internals but between the ZE and DE there is virtually no difference. There are no fancy bearings or valve springs etc in the ZE internals, just better pistons and cams (oh and a better tune).

Sorry no, I was told by a member on MX6.com who sells these imported these engines that they were way strong in stock form & presumed they were different. My bad! Not many engines handle any decent boost in stock form for long but these do

[Clean_Cookie]

wow guys! from wanting to see pics/details of autos, we went to engine swaps,exhausts to headlights to boosting. sound systems next :p

just had to say...

[A.E]

Yeah we whored this thread up real nice. Ok guys that's a wrap :P lol

[NaughtyGT]

........sorry..........:o but I didn't start the whorin' first :p but, when you mention "how to get hp"......Well? :D