Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ Thread [Archive]

70NYD

29-11-2011, 05:44 PM

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/52958/subaru-brz-revealed-as-first-images-arrive-ahead-of-tokyo-debut

More info on the BRZ. I almost prefer it to the 86...but i think it's only because that stupid badge is gone from the front quarter.

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/2/0/2012_subaru_brz_overseas_01_1-1129-mc:1156x816.jpg

HI!
the 86 boxer badge looks awesome IMO haha
derb
the car did very well in its class (came 3rd i think) when they entered a racepreped version in to the nurb race few months ago
there are a TON of people that are pissed that this wont be FI'd and even more so since leeky told us that the engineer from toyota disclosed that there are no plans for it ever, but from what i have gathered, the mounts are very simmilar if not same on the FB and the EJ so thare might be some very early swaps.
the engine in there is 2L and has 200bhp at 12.5:1 CR and is apparently a very rev happy one.
i cant wait to test drive this, but unless the fuel economy is VERY good thanks to the D4-S, i wont be getting rid of the 8 any time soon

z100

29-11-2011, 07:10 PM

HI!
the 86 boxer badge looks awesome IMO haha

I think it does too! Nice little touch on an otherwise vanilla car design wise.

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Dino%20Dalle%20Carbonare/2011/NOV2011/T86-Preview/IMG_0297.jpg

The tailights on the BRZ look better than the 86 ones, but the 86 is the one I would buy.

70NYD

29-11-2011, 07:19 PM

At this rate, the story is that the BRZ won't be coming to Australia due to the marketing of subaru being all4the driver. But that's just a story from a Subaru exec from a long time ago (wrt this car)
the best part is that the pannel that the 86 badge is on is removable ;) so if someone doesn't like it off t goes ;)
There is a full leaked Japanese catalogue on ft86club that had been kindly translated by ichi
I will upload it here later (or link to the ft86 site)

z100

29-11-2011, 07:22 PM

the best part is that the pannel that the 86 badge is on is removable ;) so if someone doesn't like it off t goes ;)

An opportunistic thief!

chicaboo

29-11-2011, 07:28 PM

I love that Toyota finally has a totally sick duck design that everybody likes, and Subaru are continuing their recent tradition of borrowing design elements from other marques [grill from Ford/Peugeot]. And I have to say the 86 boXXXer logo is awesome! :D

Lachlan

29-11-2011, 07:37 PM

Personally i think it looks better like this haha.

http://i44.tinypic.com/5zqlc8.jpg

mikey_something

29-11-2011, 08:56 PM

lmao, besides it being slammed, thats not half bad.

Lachlan

29-11-2011, 09:15 PM

lmao, besides it being slammed, thats not half bad.

Haha it's not that slammed. I just extended the bodykit!

Rupewrecht

29-11-2011, 09:22 PM

http://www.hyboost.com/images/gt86/white_2.jpg

smurfy

29-11-2011, 09:48 PM

if the back was all white and didnt have the black plastic crap it would look alot betterr

phildough

29-11-2011, 09:48 PM

Just saw this on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6WnrqMDTw

marcs_sp20

29-11-2011, 10:08 PM

if the back was all white and didnt have the black plastic crap it would look alot betterr

Are you kidding, thats what breaks up the rear end.

Personally, it needs to be dumped to the weeds :D

smurfy

29-11-2011, 10:11 PM

Are you kidding, thats what breaks up the rear end.

Personally, it needs to be dumped to the weeds :D

i think it cheapons it. Whats the thing in the middle of it? A breaklight or something?

Deff dumpedd, and stanced would look hott

TheMAN

29-11-2011, 10:19 PM

rear fog light

marcs_sp20

29-11-2011, 10:28 PM

And reverse lights as well..

70NYD

29-11-2011, 10:46 PM

When I get my finger out il link some awesome chops by WoW (wings of war, he's a legend)

Ice88

29-11-2011, 10:57 PM

Think i just found the BJs replacement tbh.

mynameisdaniel

30-11-2011, 01:03 AM

http://www.hyboost.com/images/gt86/white_2.jpg

I love this, nice stance and a clean look, this is what I'd be going for, although I'd throw some tint over the reverse/rear fog lights

mynameisdaniel

01-12-2011, 07:13 PM

Video of the BRZ :) The front bumper doesn't look half bad in the video and I like the 7500rpm redline ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eP3SR1m_aRY

70NYD

01-12-2011, 07:50 PM

I like the 86 front bumper, the BRZ front looks like someone with über buck teeth

z100

01-12-2011, 07:57 PM

Scion FR-S, few things have been deleted from the 86 for Scion. Read all about here (http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011/11/30/news-gt-gt-introducing-the-scion-fr-s.aspx).

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Linhbergh2011/nov2011/gallery/ScionFRS/LAR_6555.JPG

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Linhbergh2011/nov2011/gallery/ScionFRS/LAR_6211.jpg

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Linhbergh2011/nov2011/gallery/ScionFRS/LAR_6222.jpg

z100

01-12-2011, 08:00 PM

Video of the BRZ :) The front bumper doesn't look half bad in the video and I like the 7500rpm redline ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eP3SR1m_aRY

The music in that video is horrendous! :mad: Wish they would just upload the videos with engine noise, I want to hear the car not crap music.

mynameisdaniel

01-12-2011, 08:10 PM

The music in that video is horrendous! :mad: Wish they would just upload the videos with engine noise, I want to hear the car not crap music.

Haha yeah, couldn't agree more. Are they the only wheels they plan on using across the 3 brands??

70NYD

01-12-2011, 09:20 PM

smurfy

01-12-2011, 09:56 PM

dont they paid designers anymore ? seriously all 3 look the same cept a few little things :/

70NYD

01-12-2011, 11:02 PM

That was the point lol

z100

02-12-2011, 08:17 AM

dont they paid designers anymore ? seriously all 3 look the same cept a few little things :/

It's called model sharing!

z100

02-12-2011, 08:19 AM

Scion FR-S by GReedy

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Larry%20Chen%202/November/frs/web1/LAR_6264.jpg

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Linhbergh2011/nov2011/gallery/tunedFRS/DSCF6975.jpg

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/11%20Charles/Dec/FR-S/g3.jpg

70NYD

02-12-2011, 08:55 AM

APPARENTLY both the frs cars at the scion unveil had rear fender lips rolled back :) strange noone noticed this on the brz or 86 :s but its good to see that they ARE serious when they say they made this car for enthusiasts.
you should have a look at the JDM bottom version..
steelies, unpainted bumpers, stripped interior.. pretty much what you want when you are buying a car, since you will change it all/most anyway ;)

mynameisdaniel

02-12-2011, 04:31 PM

Any news if there's a model with a nicer interior? Was thinking stitched leather with inserts or something along those lines would be nice.

DavoAust

02-12-2011, 06:44 PM

Very hit & miss to me. Toyota looks better all rouund, but I prefer the lights on the subie. I agree the lights & reflector in th rear diffuser look dumb.

But 200hp @ 7000rpm? and 150lb-f t @ 6600? I'd rather not have to rev the tits off my car to get some go out of it. That disappoints me

Ice88

02-12-2011, 06:57 PM

100hp a litre is nothing to sneeze at. We also dont know what the rest of the rev range is like, how well the gearbox complements the engine etc.

70NYD

02-12-2011, 07:22 PM

Damn il ask permission from the ft86 club to post some of the stuff here. Some of the stuff they have compiled there
There is very nice options according to the leaked catalouge

70NYD

02-12-2011, 07:23 PM

Funny bit about the gearbox, a while back, one of the regulars posted a pic of a aisin gb that he got from a mate that works for them ;)
Looks like a lot of thought went in to the car. I am scared I'm too tall but :(

z100

03-12-2011, 12:05 PM

Video with engine sound here! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B7hhG3q5CI&feature=player_embedded#!)
Sounds good!

z100

03-12-2011, 12:10 PM

I am scared I'm too tall but :(

In a couple of the first drive reviews I have read, the journalist was 6 foot plus and said because the seat is so low, head clearance isn't an issue. Will try and find the link but fingers crossed!

70NYD

03-12-2011, 08:18 PM

Yeah but I'm 6'7" so yeah..

Ice88

03-12-2011, 09:22 PM

I dont think there will be much left in the engine, at least not without some money.

70NYD

04-12-2011, 01:08 AM

APPARENTLY, Toyota is leaving this ECU open for tuning (rumor)
The engine is direct/port injected with a 12.5:1 (or 12.3) cr, so that's a bitch, seems like its going to be a hard one to upgrade with just boltons (kinda like s2k)
Also they rev limited it and tuned it for economy from factory, so it might be able to squeeze more out.
We shall see

Ice88

04-12-2011, 01:19 AM

Yeah ive been having a look at the engine and the only things i can potentially see as improving the engine without alot of money is the headers which look to have fairly short primaries. Intake Manifold (would be rather costly though) and ECU Flash.

If the engine does end up being like the F20C then there will probably be quite a few mods that improve drivability on a race track(or street) but not neccesarily improving numbers :)

70NYD

04-12-2011, 01:23 AM

Mmmm IF I end up getting this I'm making a infinity variable intake for it :D

Ice88

04-12-2011, 11:02 AM

Not sure theres room under the bonnet man for a variable length intake manifold. From what ive read it sounds pretty cramped in there.

70NYD

04-12-2011, 12:44 PM

It is pretty cramped from the pics, but it won't be cast

z100

05-12-2011, 08:36 PM

BRZ video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nb17h7j5JE&feature=youtu.be), in Japanese but the car sound is there. Intake sounds OK! It's growing on me the BRZ, but I think we have Buckley's chance of getting the Subie to OZ.

z100

09-12-2011, 09:59 AM

Quote from the EVO drive review (http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/276016/driven_toyota_gt_86.html) of the GT-86.

It makes a Scirocco seem synthetic, an RCZ anaesthetised, a 3-series Coupé over-complicated. This is a pure driving device like an Elise or an MX-5 with sharpened sinews. This is how a proper sporting coupé should be. Toyota intended it to embody elements of the 1960s 2000GT and the 1980s rear-drive Corolla Twin-Cam (AE86), and it does.

derb

09-12-2011, 10:17 AM

So the only downside of a 3-series is it's too complicated? Does that mean it is actually better than the 86? That quote sounds like the author just pulled his tongue out of Toyota's arsehole.

RedLineResident

09-12-2011, 10:41 AM

Overall the Toyota appeals to me... The subbie just doesn't, nor has any subbie for the last 3 years.
I don't know what the hell happened to them, but they have been making cars that look like Mrs Doubtfire and have completely lost their way.
This is an improvement however, but still in my view; it has nothing on the toyota.

And I love that they've named it the "86"... that's just cool!

It is encouraging to think that the manufucturers are trying to get back to what drivers like, and in reallity I think both cars would be a hoot to drive. Perhaps not the most powerful machines available, but that's partly what makes it exciting.
I always liked taking an underpowered car through a set of twisty roads, my astina being the classic example.
It forces you as a driver to do your bit and maintain momentum, not slow down too much where you don't have to and drive smoothly to actually "make" the car quick.

Anyone can make a car with 400bhp quick on the straight bits between corners, but to me that's hardly the point.

Just my 2 cents

z100

10-12-2011, 09:31 AM

So the only downside of a 3-series is it's too complicated? Does that mean it is actually better than the 86? That quote sounds like the author just pulled his tongue out of Toyota's arsehole.

The 3-series has a lot of electronic trickery, hence complicated. The 86 is a more back to basics style of car. He infers as much in the review anyway.

z100

13-12-2011, 11:22 PM

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Dino%20Dalle%20Carbonare/2011/DEC2011/ScionFRSSodg/AY0F7296.jpg

Rupewrecht

19-12-2011, 10:00 AM

Looks like Aus is getting the BRZ as well

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/53098/subaru-brz-confirmed-for-australia-in-mid-2012-and-thats-official

Subaru Australia has confirmed that the brand-new BRZ rear-wheel-drive coupe will go on sale in Australia, and it will be here around the middle of next year.

Many have been holding onto hope of a local launch since the BRZ's existence was first rumoured a few years ago, but few would have expected the brand's Australian arm to ease up on its all-wheel-drive-only position.

"We have been an exclusively all-wheel-drive car company since 1997, so the decision to import the Subaru BRZ was not taken lightly," Subaru Australia boss Nick Senior said.

mynameisdaniel

19-12-2011, 10:25 AM

Looks like Aus is getting the BRZ as well

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/53098/subaru-brz-confirmed-for-australia-in-mid-2012-and-thats-official

Yeah, found out yesterday that the guy next door's boss has already got one on order :p But he went for the top spec one (unsure if it was sti or not) and was talking about a $74,000 price tag :O

z100

19-12-2011, 07:30 PM

Yeah, found out yesterday that the guy next door's boss has already got one on order :p But he went for the top spec one (unsure if it was sti or not) and was talking about a $74,000 price tag :O

Oouch! More money than sense if he pays that much for any version of the BRZ! Fantastic that it's coming out here, now just the magical pricing game. I'm calling $39,000 for the base BRZ. Be a slight premium on the GT-86 I think. Thoughts?

70NYD

19-12-2011, 07:34 PM

That's the plan for the overseas market. The BRZ is proposed with a limited and premium editions only, no base. The limited being like a full spec 86..
I highly doubt that he payed 74k as the sti version hasn't been released yet, let alone ANY prices.. And 74k isn't worth it anyway, it won't have AWD or turbo, so what is he paying for??
My guess is the 86 will be 33 base, then 36 top

The 86 base base in Japan is rumored with steelies, unpainted bumpers and a semi-striped interior
Dunno of it has been mentioned here, but the ECU has already been accessed and it appears as tho it is tunable from factory like promised :D

mynameisdaniel

19-12-2011, 07:46 PM

Yeah I thought 74K was a bit ridiculous too, this guy works for one of the top Subaru tuning companies in Adelaide so I'm guessing he finds out information much sooner than we ever do. Obviously because he can already place an order :P

z100

19-12-2011, 07:47 PM

Base=Limited, that was what I meant anyway. Good news about the ECU, this car is almost the complete opposite of the GTR. Nissan/Nismo still won't let any company display modified GTR's at Nissan events (32,33,34's no problem but not the R35)! :confused:

70NYD

20-12-2011, 08:36 AM

Gtr doesn't need to be touched IMO. That car is amazing as it stands
That is good news on the ECU, but like i said the article said its fully tunable. Dunno how truthfull it is but
Anyone can place a order man, you can go right now, but it's fishing, they still don't now the exact price, exact trim envolvment or oxact release date

That's what I meant haha

z100

11-01-2012, 07:28 PM

First of the drift GT86's(Scion in this case) to surface, sure it won't be the only one:

http://assets.speedhunters.com/Images/12%20Charles/Jan/NAIAS/_fullsize/2.jpg

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/12%20Charles/Jan/NAIAS/1.jpg

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/12%20Charles/Jan/NAIAS/3.jpg

70NYD

11-01-2012, 08:00 PM

Demanius

11-01-2012, 09:47 PM

I like the Toyota 86 Not a Bad Car :)

z100

12-01-2012, 07:12 AM

That ones turbo I think
Apparently the engine was built for na but with intent to withstand some boost :)
Reports are surfacing of pricing, looks a little exxy. Most say 39990 in oz +orc.. Might just FI the 8 and be done with it :)

True, I believe cosworth had a hand in the engine. There will be plenty of bolt on turbo kits available in no time if thats the case!

z100

13-01-2012, 04:21 PM

Falken GT86 D1 @ TAS, small shakedown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqL-2CumSoc&feature=player_embedded) but looks cool!

z100

15-01-2012, 09:34 PM

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Dino%20Dalle%20Carbonare/2012/JAN2012/TAS-Day1/IMG_0023.jpg

z100

29-01-2012, 11:50 AM

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Dino%20Dalle%20Carbonare/2012/JAN2012/TAS-Final/TAS12-0961.jpg

z100

03-02-2012, 09:35 PM

This is becoming my own personal thread!:D

Tandem drift! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAHFQnyX0C0&feature=player_embedded)

70NYD

04-02-2012, 11:54 AM

So are you going to buy it?

z100

05-02-2012, 11:53 AM

I'm very keen:D, won't be working(fulltime that is) untill I finish Uni this year so I may pick up a slightly used one early 2013.

marcs_sp20

05-02-2012, 12:02 PM

Streetfx.com will be one of the first people to own an 86 in QLD :D

On there facebook page they said toyota dealerships could now take orders and will all have a limit of 2 per dealership...

70NYD

05-02-2012, 02:58 PM

I don't beleive the limit of 2, or the preorders, as there is no confirmation of price or ammount of cars coming to Australia yet. There are a lot of rumors based on nothing but

marcs_sp20

05-02-2012, 05:54 PM

Photos speak louder than words ;)

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm43/marcs_sp20/430214_10151219978850112_305901075111_22617048_952 179125_n.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm43/marcs_sp20/streetfx.jpg

z100

05-02-2012, 09:16 PM

2 per dealer on first release. 40k plus on roads and no option list? I really think this sounds like a stab in the dark from the dealer re price. Just my 2 cents;)

70NYD

05-02-2012, 10:36 PM

2 per dealer on first release. 40k plus on roads and no option list? I really think this sounds like a stab in the dark from the dealer re price. Just my 2 cents;)

exactly what i mean :)
there have been numerous preorders, both here and in the states (as per numerous threads on ft86club) but there is no set price, accurate delivery date (all thou the 8th of june seems plausible :p) and defiantly no volume indications.
this will never stop a car salesmen to sell a car they have absolutely no information about. if you are willing to blindly give up money, go for it, no-one will ever stop you ;)
as a foot note, some of the "top salesmen" at very reputable toyota and subaru dealerships on the southside (not southside toyota lol) found out about this car from me..

that being said, the 2 per dealer for the initial release sounds plausible, but only as test drives. dealers will ofcourse sell these ;)
if i really want this, i will be one of the 1st to get it, preorder or not, guarantee ;)

Ice88

06-02-2012, 08:54 AM

At 40k plus on roads I think this won't be all that popular in Australia given all the cars you can get for the same money or just a little more.

z100

06-02-2012, 11:46 AM

At 40k plus on roads I think this won't be all that popular in Australia given all the cars you can get for the same money or just a little more.

I highly doubt it will be that expensive, no official prices have been released by Toyota or Subaru yet. But I agree, if it does turn out to be the correct price, will be a failure.

Mad Mat

06-02-2012, 11:56 AM

sure they didnt mean 40k yen ;)

70NYD

06-02-2012, 12:49 PM

Japanese prices have been confirmed already ;)

z100

06-02-2012, 02:05 PM

Japanese prices have been confirmed already ;)

I realise that, but the price in OZ will never be a simple straight conversion of yen to dollar.

Mad Mat

06-02-2012, 02:11 PM

I realise that, but the price in OZ will never be a simple straight conversion of yen to dollar.

i think tony was talking about my joke on the post before :)

sure they didnt mean 40k yen ;)

Japanese prices have been confirmed already ;)

70NYD

06-02-2012, 03:03 PM

Yeah sorry, forgot to quote :(

Mad Mat

06-02-2012, 03:11 PM

Yeah sorry, forgot to quote :(

its ok... i saved your bacon :)

Rupewrecht

06-02-2012, 03:17 PM

In Port Kembla...

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/827/attachmentqx.jpg

smurfy

06-02-2012, 03:52 PM

assuming you took the photo.. hows it look in real life dan? yayy or nayy?

Rupewrecht

06-02-2012, 03:57 PM

Nah, i didn't take it - i got sent it by someone 'in the know'.

z100

06-02-2012, 04:38 PM

Yeah sorry, forgot to quote :(

You can tell it's a monday, straight over my head!

z100

06-02-2012, 04:39 PM

In Port Kembla...

Press car maybe?

Rupewrecht

06-02-2012, 04:50 PM

Press car maybe?

BRZ pic details as follows:

"It’s a pre-production car being used for local ADR, testing, evaluation requirements etc.

Definitely no deliveries pre mid-year!"

marcs_sp20

12-03-2012, 08:59 PM

Hibino's D1 86 in progress, so hawt!!!

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2012/03/06/hibino-s-d1-toyota-86-gt-gt-the-build-pt-1.aspx

z100

12-03-2012, 09:43 PM

Hibino's D1 86 in progress, so hawt!!!

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2012/03/06/hibino-s-d1-toyota-86-gt-gt-the-build-pt-1.aspx

AVO helping build that one, going to be cool to see all the 86's in the new D1 season.

z100

17-03-2012, 04:21 PM

Leaked Aus specs:

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/toyota-86-spec-table.jpg

Looking like high 30's for the standard, low 40's for high spec.

70NYD

17-03-2012, 04:37 PM

I have that PDF for about a month now, il shoot you a copy if you want. It's bs.. They are aiming at 150k income, 35-45yolds..

z100

17-03-2012, 05:28 PM

I have that PDF for about a month now, il shoot you a copy if you want. It's bs.. They are aiming at 150k income, 35-45yolds..

That would be great, love to see the full document! Couldn't believe some of the quoted target markets!

Ice88

17-03-2012, 06:54 PM

what person 35-45 year old would be buying a 86? If im that age i want something a whole lot better for my money.

phildough

17-03-2012, 07:31 PM

Thanks Kris, I'm in the 35-35 age bracket and I would love a 86.
But for the moment my car will suffice.

70NYD

17-03-2012, 07:48 PM

The thing is anyone may or may not like the car. For the money you can get something better. Toyota aus will fuk this with price. Z100 can you pm me your email adress?

Cosmo Dude

17-03-2012, 08:22 PM

Ice88

17-03-2012, 10:56 PM

Thanks Kris, I'm in the 35-35 age bracket and I would love a 86.
But for the moment my car will suffice.

Sorry phil.

But i meant with that level of income. I just forgot to add that :/

Clean_Cookie

18-03-2012, 07:19 AM

I was browsing on whirlpool on the.finance section and was blown away with some people's reported salaries! It was a income vs mortgage repayments percentage on loan size. One dude had a 1.4 million loan and only 5% of his wage each week was used to repay whereas moat seemed around 25-30% on loans a quarter of that size. Anyway, I agree this car would be an awesome p plater rich boys car for $25-30k way cheaper than an rx8 was too. But it won't be nice enough to match Audi, etc mid priced luxury sports.....

z100

18-03-2012, 10:25 AM

I'm also in the target market. For me an NA 2 litre two door sports car it would want to be in the low $30k area for a boy racer, turbo 2 litre of the same in the high $30k. It will be spoilt trying to compromise between being a sports car and luxury.

From memory, the s15 silvia (200sx) in spec S guise came in at just under 40k brand new. This car needs to be low 30's to be viable, keep it in that range and it will do ok. For comparison, a brand new MY12 mx-5 is 50k+.

70NYD

18-03-2012, 10:50 AM

MX-5 really is a convertible roadster, and the closest thing on the ozzy market to compete with it is the z3/4 BMW, so they can charge whatever they want to. Doesn't mean that the mx5 is actually worth 50k either..

z100

22-03-2012, 05:28 PM

Leaked US prices for the Scion FRS: MT $24,200 & AT $25,300.

Pricing is to be announced to the public thursday 22nd March(US).

I'm still expecting low 30's for the base GT-86 in OZ.:(

Clean_Cookie

22-03-2012, 05:34 PM

That pricepoint would probably sell here...dunno what happens when it shoots 10k more though!

z100

22-03-2012, 07:57 PM

That pricepoint would probably sell here...dunno what happens when it shoots 10k more though!

I hope i'm wrong! Just expect the worst and maybe be surprised?

Cosmo Dude

22-03-2012, 08:41 PM

I wouldn't expect it to go for much under $40K and no access to the base model in Aus. Remember Toyota has to carry spares for the life of the product plus a few years and I wouldn't expect it to fly out the door being a coupe.

70NYD

22-03-2012, 11:29 PM

at the right price it would literaly fly out the door
overpriced it will rott

rodhog

22-03-2012, 11:48 PM

Can any of you Name it's direct competition ? 370? maybe Rx-8 ? it's almost gone
dont' worry about performance think of Coupe - FWD or RWD. If you put it into the up 60K Plus you look into BMW -Merc all the small sedan coupes.
Australia is not a massive market

In the US it has direct competition with even Hyundai. But because we are RHD. Low Volume by comparrison, I can't see it ever being cheap.

Because we have so many minor things that need to be address for compliance. It makes importing a mass model more expensive but not in all cases- Take note Mazda imported the GE Mx-6 first into Australia even before Japan. Mazda had to give it it's OWN wiriing loom to meet ADR rules for ABS.
But it makes it harder for them to justify a wide range of models and so they normally drop off base and some middle ground models.
But they also drop off items I think should be left - like rear wipers and upgrade headlamps etc.
I expect $38K base and $48 top. Plus on road extras

z100

23-03-2012, 08:15 AM

I expect $38K base and $48 top. Plus on road extras

I don't think it will be that high, those prices you quote will be for the BRZ. I'm picking low 30's for base 86. I agree with Tony, the 86 will die a slow death if it's pushin 50k!

rodhog

23-03-2012, 05:24 PM

I don't think it will be that high, those prices you quote will be for the BRZ. I'm picking low 30's for base 86. I agree with Tony, the 86 will die a slow death if it's pushin 50k!

I would have thought so too but I look at the Golf GTI- and R32. Ever little wanker who is salesman on commision like real estate agents or anyone who can put it on a lease. HAS ONE IN SYDNEY. Majority of Golf or other Hi -spec Euro or Jap car in the Mid 40+ range is on lease and it's where most sales are.
The S15 200Sx was same package leased cars. Soon as most of younger crowd get the money get onto Green P-plates or off P-plates they get the dream car.

That's who will buy them. In the late 80's the Honda prelude - Mazda Mx-6 toyota celica all these sedan coupes were known as excecutive car -park cars.
By late 90's they moved to BMW 3 -series - Z3 Audi A4.
It went from with inflation - from a $35K car to a $60k+ car Now It's even a bit higher up 80k+ ( Let me note the lease car for the Executive - I mean it's just TAX loop hole unlike your Real estate child agent who looses out on it employer wins)

but I won't buy one if it's that cheap. They still need to have little bit of a push up.

70NYD

23-03-2012, 07:16 PM

z100

23-03-2012, 08:56 PM

I would have thought so too but I look at the Golf GTI- and R32. Ever little wanker who is salesman on commision like real estate agents or anyone who can put it on a lease. HAS ONE IN SYDNEY. Majority of Golf or other Hi -spec Euro or Jap car in the Mid 40+ range is on lease and it's where most sales are.
The S15 200Sx was same package leased cars. Soon as most of younger crowd get the money get onto Green P-plates or off P-plates they get the dream car.

That's who will buy them. In the late 80's the Honda prelude - Mazda Mx-6 toyota celica all these sedan coupes were known as excecutive car -park cars.
By late 90's they moved to BMW 3 -series - Z3 Audi A4.
It went from with inflation - from a $35K car to a $60k+ car Now It's even a bit higher up 80k+ ( Let me note the lease car for the Executive - I mean it's just TAX loop hole unlike your Real estate child agent who looses out on it employer wins)

but I won't buy one if it's that cheap. They still need to have little bit of a push up.

I don't think it will need any more power to be quickish car, the focus is on handling and weight. Realistically how much power can you use on the road? Track, different scenario.

And while I understand what you are saying with the lease cars, I fail to see how a car aimed at a different market to cars like the golf gti, megane etc, will sell at that price point. Toyota OZ have it very wrong with the target market (if the leaked internal memo is anything to go by) and are missing a huge opportunity if it is priced in the same bracket as the gti's of the world. Performance figures, interior quality etc will become an issue (despite what I think about the power of this car!) when people cross shop models in my opinion.

rodhog

24-03-2012, 01:41 AM

So you are Saying that if the car is priced as it should be rather than overpriced, you won't buy one? You are saying that you would rather pay for a overpriced item?

No I buy overpriced items after they drop most of there value. Or I buy the best when it's Not going to drop value. Ture I don't buy ****, but I don't spend retail. I know how to get the deal done.

but 7ONYD, my point on that quote is this.
It may not be a problem for You or others but It's well known in Sydney. Like in other places. Top gear is good example - AKA - M3 = a COCK
well in Sydney when 200SX -S15 was released once it got on the 2nd hand market the 1-2 year old cars were known as the NEW LEBO or ethnic westy scum sports CAR. Before that WRX's you could not touch one. I may live in it. I just don't want part of it. I grew up with the Lebanse sports car aka Holden Gemini, Before that it was the Markiville mercedes - Valiant-chargers
I like the fact I can Fit in without too many questions these days.
I personally can't care too much - or should I say I did not care before.
BUT NOW
Today now it's different story. I can't be seen in a some hot-rod car anything with fancy chrome rims or a BOV valve. It's why I have more then one car.
I won't drive out west too often in any thing too flash. Drive a boring basic bomb if I can especially if you have to go new housing comission homes or anything a bit low.
Nor will I drive a car to a dinner to certain parts of town, with a loud Exhaust or bright paint and body kit. Personalized plates etc etc.
A Good example is I used a Plain Calais VY when I entertain Guests and visit Male entertainment places. It might not be as fun as driving a just about anything else but it's what you need to get the job done.
But it won't intmidate buyers at Property Auction - Buying or not. But driving in a SLK convertablie will,
When your young - you can get away with it. As you get older you want to be taken alot more seriously.
Not going to happen in a car Anyone can afford. I'm not saying everyone will jump on board but if you make it too easy. It gets a bad name and it's over.
Think about the headlines - Drifters - toyota 86 - tighter laws on hooons, Dangerous cars on our roads All on tonight ACA -. It won't happen overnight but if they start cheap ? I don't think it will take long.

I think it could still get a bad name regardless of price.
**** loans are still cheap GEN Y and all the rest still spend enough to keep parts of economey going.
So who knows but I doubt it will be cheap. If it does it could have the reverse effect. Like those other cars Got a bad name well it can slow sales especially 2nd hand sales - change the market view. Like buy a WRX now it's not so bad. For a short period it was hard to move them.

Z100 - I mean by push up not in performance but it's IMAGE based on who will buy it.

As for Toyota they know the Target Market - At least here. One thing they will not want the car to be the Hoon Machine. They think alot more about image then you do.
Don't think they can't go too cheap either, they are here to make profit. Fixed price servicing - you have to make up for it.

But if it starts low 30's well I know it's not a car for me, as I'm sure it will have some skimping. Interior will proberly be a bit lower rate. But the thing will not fall apart.

70NYD

24-03-2012, 02:25 AM

Aah on I see your point of view now rod, cheers for that, I wasn't thinking like that at all. In my head, image i had was people not crashing it or hooning. Guess that makes me naive haha. The top of the line model will be a little more appointed, but the base model in Japan comes with steelies and I painted bumpers, no stereo etc, basically a clean slate to do as you like. In my head there are lots of these cars moved, lots of aftermarket support. But in reality, scion will move heaps of these, they just announced their price, and while some people are complaining, most are happy (24950 drive away) so they will make lots of aftermarket support. The scion model is slightly less than ours here in terms of what it has

z100

24-03-2012, 10:37 AM

Z100 - I mean by push up not in performance but it's IMAGE based on who will buy it.

As for Toyota they know the Target Market - At least here. One thing they will not want the car to be the Hoon Machine. They think alot more about image then you do.
Don't think they can't go too cheap either, they are here to make profit. Fixed price servicing - you have to make up for it.

But if it starts low 30's well I know it's not a car for me, as I'm sure it will have some skimping. Interior will proberly be a bit lower rate. But the thing will not fall apart.

Agree that they will not want it as a hoon car, but with the somewhat low rent interior in the base spec I can't see it being priced near what a spec s 200sx was(although the inside of the s15 that was nothing to rave about). Truth is you will probably be proven correct!
Everyone knows that despite what they sell it for the money is made in servicing not the sale anyway, so sure they will more than cover the costs in OZ.

chicaboo

24-03-2012, 11:05 AM

I think you guys are crazy expecting change from $36~37k +ORC for the 86 [add another $2-3k for the BRZ] for the basic model. As Rodney has pointed out, Toyota don't want to sell to P-platers, and realistically they can sell just as many at $45k as they can at $35k, and they're in it to make money.

I wish there was a way to keep P-platers out of this car just so it doesn't get a scumbag image from the undesirables. Unfortunately there is nothing stopping it from getting that image over time... As it is, it's going to be a popo magnet from day dot. But if you expect pricing in the high $20ks or low $30ks, you better be buying a Velocitor or Rio turbo instead.

z100

24-03-2012, 11:33 AM

I wish there was a way to keep P-platers out of this car just so it doesn't get a scumbag image from the undesirables. Unfortunately there is nothing stopping it from getting that image over time...

I just wish it would be priced that low, in reality I wouldn't be surprised at a 40k base.:(

As for the image thing, unfortunately comes with the territory. I loved the s15 when it frist came out, badly wanted a spec s in blue. Now wouldn't own one for the above reasons. Cop magnet, insurance etc. I will most likely go for the 86/BRZ second hand, maybe a year or two after release. Get one without the new car price. Hopefully the lack of turbo might keep some of the undesirbles out of them.

chicaboo

24-03-2012, 11:48 AM

The original AE-86/Sprinter at least had a good 10 years on the streets before being tarnished by Initial-D's hero worship. The new 86/BRZ won't get that luxury, and is going to be idolised by "kids" that weren't even born when the 86 was first released. The fuss about this car is not based on it's heritage but by the mindless fascination grown out of a cartoon...

Nothing is going to stop little rich-boy P-platers from getting this car and crashing it on a Friday night, or the typical in-debt P-plater getting it 3 years down the track and poring tasteless mods into it. The new price tag will help maintain some exclusivity for a little while, at least. But I fear this car will suffer a worse image than the R33 or 180SX, while we struggle to find unmolested examples on the used market in the future.

z100

24-03-2012, 03:37 PM

But I fear this car will suffer a worse image than the R33 or 180SX, while we struggle to find unmolested examples on the used market in the future.

Ahh, the r33. The VL turbo of the 2000's. And yeah, as much as I like the original sprinter, way over-hyped thanks to anime.

project.r.racing

24-03-2012, 03:47 PM

$42K+ plus for the base model. Don't compare the USDM prices. They only pay 60% of the prices we pay in Australia for current cars.

Can anyone tell me is there a 2.0L RWD Coupe low volume import that is under $48K currently??? Now add one of the most advanced engines in Australia, lightweight alloy body, LSD + more goodies.

rodhog

24-03-2012, 10:08 PM

Ahh, the r33. The VL turbo of the 2000's. And yeah, as much as I like the original sprinter, way over-hyped thanks to anime.

One thing this car does not have - other then in the engine.

Is a shared parts Bin.

One reason a VL - or a original sprinter - R33 even. hell you can list more actually - I'm sure of it.

but this car is what 90% new 10% is going to be borrowed. like maybe a few switchs and handles or the radiator A/C compressor etc.

The Lack of shared parts will slow it's development down a little.
Add to a world in which the GFC has slowed some uptake of many items.
Before the GFC - Japanese brands of aftermarket items were - everywhere - not just on Civic car door shopping lists. Now some of those companys don't exisit or just plain gone thanks to China. The Copyright specialists.
With times getting tough - or at least what I can see happening from my perspective on the rest of the world. People don't buy locally and shoot there feet as they put own jobs at risk. = Made in USA - VIA CHINA

I think your all right it will get a Cult following - maybe for the wrong reasons.
But I can see it's development also being alot slower. Maybe not in Drifting either like people are thinking. In fact No drifting at all here at least ?

Consider this I think it was 3-4 years ago we had a Semi-pro setup National Australian Drift Championship. Now I don't think we even get rounds at each state event. Last I heard the Sponsorship was removed.
In the US they had Pontiacs drifting with sponsorship - Pontiac is GONE.
For short time I think we had some local drifting on TV.

Much like How the ARC has now A very different make up to help keep what small manufactuers in the competition in it.
Subaru - Mitsubishi are not in WRC, OR ARC here.
We have a Honda's with factory backing. Honda's ?

"chicaboo" on rich boy P-platers - is correct and only thing stopping them will be Laws and regs and Insurance costs. I bet it won't be cheap.

under 30 year old driver - Sports car turbo - recoord driving history car cost say $40K - your premium ? and now your Excess ?

70NYD

24-03-2012, 10:40 PM

Nah there is quite a bit borrowed, like suspension is more or less a rip from a WRX,
Engine is new but
There is already a suspension kit finished by greddy I think, and a hoast of other bits and pieces. So many aftermarket houses jumped on board early and got preproduction models for development months ago ;)
And I'm under 25, if I turbo my rx8 my insurance will be 1400/year. That's not cheap, BUT it's not overly priced :)

70NYD

30-03-2012, 07:05 PM

HA hold on to your seats I just found out something very interesting.
I can't share BUT the next few weeks will be something to look forward to

rodhog

30-03-2012, 09:47 PM

I got a letter about a test drive thing. Well it looks like another one or something for the toyota dealer. But I heard a roumor about another motor instead of this D-4S engine thing.

z100

31-03-2012, 12:09 AM

HA hold on to your seats I just found out something very interesting.
I can't share BUT the next few weeks will be something to look forward to

Dammit, you can't write a line like that and then not say anything! :(
I'm going to guess it's not about the sti and its slighty more powerfull engine is it?

70NYD

31-03-2012, 01:07 AM

No it's not. It's something everyone has been waiting for. But honestly, the second I can say anything I will.
I just said that so the thread has a eye on it for now. But when you hear it, if it wasn't here, you will know what I'm on about :D
It is exceptional news but :D if its true that is :p

rodhog

31-03-2012, 10:29 AM

what it's going to sell for $32K starting price

z100

01-04-2012, 10:23 PM

what it's going to sell for $32K starting price

Funny you say that, the Canadian pricing for the FRS was just announced, $31,188 drive away I believe. Usually a massive increase from US to Canadian prices, signs look good that this might be well under 40k in OZ.

rodhog

02-04-2012, 12:47 AM

Well actually I understand form a mate most people who are putting a written deposit or those agreements to take new when realesed are singing to $40K - depending on subject to price when released.

z100

05-04-2012, 08:13 PM

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Larry%20Chen%203/april/ken_web/--6.JPG

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Larry%20Chen%203/april/ken_web/--2.JPG

z100

10-04-2012, 02:02 PM

Fast and furious much? Never been a big convertible fan, this won't be changing my mind!

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6115&d=1333982469

derb

10-04-2012, 02:12 PM

Good lord that is awful. Saying that, I'm sure all the 30-somethings would love a mid-life crisis machine like that.

rodhog

10-04-2012, 04:28 PM

Good lord that is awful. Saying that, I'm sure all the 30-somethings would love a mid-life crisis machine like that.

Yep I totally understand it. I don't mind it - Actually Folding metal roof please

Clean_Cookie

10-04-2012, 04:36 PM

its pretty wild, if they could sell these for less than 40K they'd sell a few id suspect. even without a roof as a weekend toy.

Rupewrecht

10-04-2012, 04:42 PM

RRP will be below $40k.

Clean_Cookie

10-04-2012, 05:15 PM

RRP will be below $40k.
not for the convertible!

Cosmo Dude

10-04-2012, 05:47 PM

More like Speed Racer than F&F. I think I had the matchbox version back in the day except the windows were yellow :p

70NYD

10-04-2012, 06:25 PM

RRP will be below $40k.
Yep
not for the convertible!
That's not a official version. Just a chop top by I forget who. Should see the wide body by greddy :D

z100

10-04-2012, 09:57 PM

The car is designed and built by Cartel Customs, not official. Greddy or Uras? I thought Uras were doing the widebody, have Greddy got one too?

70NYD

11-04-2012, 11:18 AM

yes sorry i meant URAS :(
my bad
was thinking of something else when i posted that

70NYD

12-04-2012, 12:56 PM

Fcuk there is going to be one by greddy as well
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4817

rodhog

13-04-2012, 09:38 AM

After looking at a new MX-5 again today. They should do a convertable because I then can fit into one.
Instead of having ot look at a Z4's and SLK's.
I don't mind being a bit gay but Not slow. Yeah I know Mx-5 Turbo was not slow I just can't fit my feet into

That Greedy one is too much. IMO too mardi gra float

z100

14-04-2012, 10:58 AM

Prova BRZ

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/mcv858/gt%2086/hypermeetjapan-644.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/mcv858/gt%2086/hypermeetjapan-648.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/mcv858/gt%2086/hypermeetjapan-649.jpg

Rupewrecht

19-04-2012, 04:32 PM

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x307/commando_robinson/6c0109f3.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/374077_282375475181246_196096447142483_629364_1038 305843_n.jpg

Ice88

19-04-2012, 05:48 PM

Wonder how much theyll be :(

marcs_sp20

19-04-2012, 06:17 PM

A few more found on the car carrier ;)

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x307/commando_robinson/464e135b.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x307/commando_robinson/286b5223.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x307/commando_robinson/84763e79.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x307/commando_robinson/2c2d22de.jpg

70NYD

19-04-2012, 08:44 PM

Mmmm world rally blue
Who knows how much they'll be. BRZ is already over capacity in production (Toyota gets bulk since they put up more money for project)
It can't be more than a top wrx (not sti) and shouldn't be more than mid range wrx
Toyota should be cheaper (starting in low 30k)

Let me clarify that
Toyota can sell this car in low 30, and that will bethe case more than likely a year from now. At the start they will more than likely way overcharge

Cosmo Dude

19-04-2012, 09:02 PM

Mmmm world rally blue
Who knows how much they'll be. BRZ is already over capacity in production (Toyota gets bulk since they put up more money for project)
It can't be more than a top wrx (not sti) and shouldn't be more than mid range wrx
Toyota should be cheaper (starting in low 30k)

Disagree. The WRX is based on an existing road car so there are plenty of common spares while all the parts on this thing only fit this thing. Toyota are going to have to re-train their service staff and stock a heap of spares. All of this will be added to the price.

70NYD

19-04-2012, 09:44 PM

This car shares a lot more parts with the wrx/impreza than you seem to be aware of

Cosmo Dude

19-04-2012, 09:55 PM

Have I forgoten how many RWD vehicles Subaru makes and how many people take them to Toyota for service?

chicaboo

19-04-2012, 11:19 PM

Why don't Subaaaaaaroo have protective liners on the cars for transport???

rodhog

19-04-2012, 11:30 PM

Why don't Subaaaaaaroo have protective liners on the cars for transport???

Problery already been used so it was removed possibly photo shoots etc

well Subaru's are over priced from the begining. 90% of the reason being Fuji Heavy Industries Lacks the Typical Family involvment unlike Toyota and Nissan etc. When you consider or break down Toyota - you gent Denso - Panasonic and Nippon something or might of been a link into NEC.
You break them down in Japan and they are all Family linked - like Royality.

In comparrison to say a large US type like FORD. When they contract out - They contract out. So On these odel cars Will contain "INA" Wheel bearings but the strut bearings will be Timken and on this model it will be INA strut bearings and TIMKEN etc. But we will sell These parts to MAZDA on the world chasis and Volvo to ease costs. Well it did and will more likely occur in the future like that.

I must say I'm surprised they are willing ot go agaisnt there AWD moto here - when they dropped the FWD cars they put them seleves into a market and now they are going to move away. I suspect to see FWD Imprezzas again and Libertys. They do need ot because lets face it 90% of there cars carry extra weight and cost for somthing 90% of the main market for them cars Don't require in All wheel drive grip.

z100

20-04-2012, 12:15 AM

I must say I'm surprised they are willing ot go agaisnt there AWD moto here - when they dropped the FWD cars they put them seleves into a market and now they are going to move away. I suspect to see FWD Imprezzas again and Libertys. They do need ot because lets face it 90% of there cars carry extra weight and cost for somthing 90% of the main market for them cars Don't require in All wheel drive grip.

Funny you mention that, in the US the advertising tag line for Subaru is "Confidence in Motion". No mention of 4 wheel or all-wheel drive, just implied. Subaru OZ on the other hand has "All 4 the Driver", little more descriptive. Really think Subaru OZ will have a tougher time marketing the BRZ.
However, really can't see Subaru dropping the AWD anytime soon as it gives them a key point of difference.

chicaboo

20-04-2012, 08:58 AM

When Subaru were selling FWD Imprezzas and Leones, they had something like a 1.3% market share in the early and mid 90s. The shift to a complete AWD range hasn't hurt them in any way!

70NYD

20-04-2012, 10:54 AM

Have I forgoten how many RWD vehicles Subaru makes and how many people take them to Toyota for service?

Your right, I forgot how many trained and certified mechanics only know how to work on only one type of car.

z100

20-04-2012, 04:51 PM

Nice feature (http://www.speedhunters.com/2012/04/car-feature-trd-tunes-the-86/) on the TRD GT 86.

http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/IMG_01291.jpg

marcs_sp20

20-04-2012, 05:01 PM

Nice feature (http://www.speedhunters.com/2012/04/car-feature-trd-tunes-the-86/) on the TRD GT 86.

http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/IMG_01291.jpg

Now thats hot!

This car shares a lot more parts with the wrx/impreza than you seem to be aware of

Care to clarify? Seeing as the BRZ is a new chassis, motor etc...

70NYD

20-04-2012, 06:55 PM

It's not a new chassis, it's a shortened and modified impreza chassis. Still made of steel, not like it's a carbon fiber monocoque with a space frame.. The engine is a boxer, very similar to the fb in the current forrester. RWD means its less complicated drivetrain than a wrx, but in the end of the day a gearbox is a gearbox and a diff is a diff. Most likely a throaway replacement item under waranty. It's still a piston engine. The only thing new is the twin injection. The suspension is macpherson struts up front and double wishbone at the rear. It's not multilink with inboard push/pull rod shocks and springs. And from what I have read, a lot of the parts are partsbin from Subaru, since the initial purpose of this joint venture from Subaru and Toyota was a affordable sports car, not a exotic hypercar
None of these are drastic changes, and there are changes here (such as twin injection to incorporate direct injection) that most if not all car companies will have to incorporate sooner or later to improve fuel economy.
All of these changes but are like any other ones when a new engine or car gets introduced.
So I don't see how this car is anything special to the dealership maintenance side, if they have qualified mechanics.

Cosmo Dude

20-04-2012, 08:48 PM

Your right, I forgot how many trained and certified mechanics only know how to work on only one type of car.

When I'm wrong I'll apologies but from where I'm sitting you are ignoring the commercial reality of releasing a low volume vehicle in Australia. In the US, where they should sell ten times more vehicles than Australia it's more expensive than a base Mazda 6 which in Australia (without special pricing) starts in the mid to high $30k range.

70NYD

20-04-2012, 10:10 PM

I understand what you are saying, but you can't compare prices here and there.
From what I gathered, while the price of this car will probably be high initially due to demand, toyotas plans are for a low 30 price.
And Toyota has confirmed they are importing at full volume, else I would be getting one through sevs
I am sorry if I offended you, was not my intention. I was simply sharing what I have learned since following this car intensely since start of 2010

project.r.racing

01-05-2012, 02:14 PM

GT is base model, about $34,990 plus on roads
GTS is upper model, (leather, GPS, Wheels, keyless go) about $38,990 plus on roads.

Australia is not getting the half priced version with stripped interior, steel rims and grey bumpers.

70NYD

01-05-2012, 03:07 PM

Sweet where did you get that from?

project.r.racing

01-05-2012, 03:38 PM

Someone asked a salesperson from a dealership.

rodhog

01-05-2012, 11:29 PM

Heard the prices on the Subaru ?

Not that I would get Subaru one it's dam ugly in some parts.

I just hope the rumours of a Lexus version are false. It would ruin it. Much like the Lexus Prius sort of has.

70NYD

01-05-2012, 11:36 PM

Who knows. And Subaru is keeping tight lipped. ESP since their all4thedriver mantra doesn't go with this car, they aren't even advertising it in any way shape or form. And I don't think toyota will reveal prices before subi does, or at the very least, not untill july

rodhog

02-05-2012, 11:18 PM

Keep getting mixed reports. One guy Who knows this **** because hes at the head office of one of the companys that brings in the Great cars - like KIA - Alfa was SAAB or Volvo but not anymore. He use to be at VW and Audi, but KIA bought him then oved him.
He was telling me something about a STI version and a TRD version etc because it came up when he mentioned he wanted the S/C TRD version of HIs FJ cruiser. Then he made some statement about how Subaru will not try to compete with the Toyota version at all. But KIA and Hyundai are going to both release some RWD car they sell in the US - I know the Hyundai one looks okay. but might not be the turbo versions only V6's due to Emissions. Euro 5 compliant.
I find that hard to think the Turbo version is not Euro 5 compliant. Because it would have to meet California laws other wise you would loose like 30% of the US market if not more for those cars.

chicaboo

03-05-2012, 09:52 AM

Rod: The yanks have had the Hyundai Genesis for a while now, yea?
If Kia do a RWD sports, it would prolly be based off that anyhow.

70NYD

03-05-2012, 11:53 AM

genessis coupe next year :)
looks the part ;)
i heard that they will be bringing the turbo and 6 as well, and the veloster is coming with a turbo soon as well. but thats all heresay, i dont actually know ****
as for this one, no forced induction is confirmed yet. the toyota rumors are s/c and the subaru rumors are t/c
now that subaru is "developing a electronic charger, perhaps this might be something? who knows

scott b

14-05-2012, 01:59 PM

saw a BRZ in person on Friday, just saying :p and well its safe to say im in love :rolleyes:

rodhog

14-05-2012, 11:26 PM

Finally starting to show up in different places.

I think they will be the new 200SX.
They fit the bill will be cheaper ot run then a 370Z etc. So good for the daily driver - 1 car owner tight arses of Sydney at least. So they can have there 40K loan over there head and complain about the cost of living which - I don't know how it's going up with No inflation.

About 10 people I know have asked if I'm ever going to get rid of some of my cars. So I yes I tell them Toyota Hybrid Camry - fix's the questions.

But so much interest in it. From people who I would not expect. So I think subaru will steal many VW customer etc. poor VW keep breaking down on many people even them great GTI's LOL