Sony stuff - Who was it that works for sony again.

[BigMal]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Hey there,
Apologies for having a bad short term memory, I have
been bad to the old body and its getting back at me.
Who works for Sony again ??
Can you tell me what sort of money I need for some of
your rear projection TV's prefer 135 but 108 if I have to.
Was trying to only spend around 5K.

Let me know

Ta

Mal[/color:post_uid0]

[IZG-00D]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]rear projection is bad for video games and your eye sight, unless your planning on buying it to watch your porn collection in full view action. not as clear as CRT. for $5k, you can get a 112cm rear projection...[/color:post_uid0]

[kyra]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]134cm toshiba...excellent.. bought for 5.7k two years ago... video games rock on it!! you can get 112/108/109cms for 3.5k... samsung has them.

if you are going to fork out 5k, why not spend a bit more and go for a projector (approx 6k), then just make up a screen for it, as big as you want... gf's cousin has done this... we have played final fantasy on 2m+ screen, with surround sound... f'n rocks!

not to mention watching the european f1 gp's on it![/color:post_uid0]

[IZG-00D]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]it looks like kyra haven't been reading your rear projection instruction booklet... MOST rear projection TV are not recommended for playing games on... the resolution just cant handle that speed... read it up on any instruction booklet or web sites.
plus, i would pick sony over toshiba and samsung for quality purposes...[/color:post_uid0]

[BigMal]

[color=#000000:post_uid1]If it wasn't for games then they wouldn't have PC input then
would they. Refer Samsung SP55W3 with S-VGA input.
100Hz model so would be fine for games.
Had a look at GB's in the city and probably made it more
confusing with the widescreen vs 4:3 as games and normal
TV are not widescreen but most of my DVD's are.
Wanted to check Sony first seeing I had a contact here
but I am open to other brands. Just want what has the
features I want & decent picture.

Ta

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

[IZG-00D]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]i didnt say/wrote that rear projection are absolutely not for playing games, i simply stated that it's not recommended for playing games. it may or 100% WILL even state this on the instruction booklet... or best yet, call any bloody store in australia that sells rear projection and they will say the same thing i've stated here. then get back to me on the answer to prove me wrong or not. i gonna love this... :D
Playing video games on a rear projection TV can burn an image into the screen if the contrast is set too high (with the default contrast settings on a TV, they are ALL to high!)
im just telling you this cause spending $5-6K is not worth it if your going to play games more often and later the TV will just fark up on you... it's your money, i dont give a fark what you do with it. im just giving you my bloody help.
and most tv now have RGB/PC input now would they... (beeing sarcastic here again) :)
btw, dont mock ppl when you ask for opinions or suggestions for help on something. its just rude, dude!!! you just hurt me feelings :D[/color:post_uid0]

[BigMal]

[color=#000000:post_uid1]Didn't you know I was Rodney's brother.
I was just passing on the bitch slap you gave Kyra as I am
sure it wasn't you who worked for Sony so I am not really
losing out here then am I ...... :D

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

[IZG-00D]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]LOL
if you say so mister mal... and there was no bitch slap on my comment to kyra... and the next message was more of a bitch slap to you.[/color:post_uid0]

[O-LYM-PIC]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]yeah ive heard that 2 bout the rear projection screens. i think it says it in the ps2 instructions, i thinks so anyway. i remember somethin about burning the pic if u leave it on pause or somethin along those lines. dunno 4sure, wasnt really paying full attention to the insturctions.[/color:post_uid0]

[BigMal]

[color=#000000:post_uid1]Hey look I will accept all the stuff you are saying but I
always thought that PC stuff related to applications like
windows where the screen never changed. Playing a game
unless it was one of the old Atari games we been talking
about should have enough contrast/changing scenery that
the colours would change enough that it would not be an
issue. I don't play a game for longer than say a month as
most of them are role playing so after I have finished its
onto the next game eg last month I played LOTR - Two
Towers and this month its MOH - Frontline.
Again funny that the sony screens have a Games setting
not sure what it does.

Anyway I love my movies so the RPTV will not just be an
oversized CRT monitor it will be abused in many different
ways maybe even Peter's dream of a 150cm porn screen.

Ta

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

[Dogo]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][i:post_uid0]* Dogo ignores the arguing and mumbles, "who bloody cares!" *[/i:post_uid0]

Mal,
lots of ps2 games should run widescreen. *The ps2 has an option for it in it's setup menu, *and some games have it again in their options menu. *As for TV, *normal tv isnt too bad in widescreen but u'd want to grab a digital tv set-top box to get it properly :) *

I've been shopping around for a big-ass TV too. *I'm finding that "The Good Guys" have good prices, and are happy to haggle a bit. I dunno if u have them up there tho ?
JB sometimes has good stuff but generally annoys me with their wanky salespeople and fake sales.

The projector idea sounds cool but can only be used in the dark, which sounds inconvenient to me.

Dave[/color:post_uid0]

[BigMal]

[color=#000000:post_uid1]Yes we do mate. Thanks for the input.
This string was about someone on the list who works for
Sony and said they could get Cost plus 5% or something
like that. Just wanted to check all my bases for cheap
deals before I make any decisions.

Ta

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

[pr1mo]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]mal,
youve also gotta remeber with rear projection TV's is that youll be up for big $$ if and when repairs are needed. just to get it in and out of your house costs around $200 in truck hires/lifting equipment. with something like a projector all youll hafta do is unplug it. take it off its bracket and into the boot of the astina.

as dogo said. projectors are only good in dark rooms however rear projections arent as bad but still not very good in well lit areas. oneday ill be getitng a projector..... keeping my existiong TV for everyday quick viewing of TV and save the projector for my growing DVD collection and PS2 enjoyment :)

cheers mike[/color:post_uid0]

[IZG-00D]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0="BigMal"]Hey look I will accept all the stuff you are saying but I
always thought that PC stuff related to applications like
windows where the screen never changed. *BLA BLA BLA.
Again funny that the sony screens have a Games setting
not sure what it does.

Anyway I love my movies so the RPTV will not just be an
oversized CRT monitor it will be abused in many different
ways maybe even Peter's dream of a 150cm porn screen.

Ta

Mal[/quote:post_uid0]
yes mister mal. whatever you say about porn...

the reason for my message is too only warned you about the effects playing games on rear projection tv, considering you will be paying huge amount of dolla to buy it. i did not mention anything about "no mal, dont get rear projection, their crap" now did i, mr rodney's brother??? just trying to help, dont have to be a bitch about it, bitch!.

BTW, we have a rear projection sony tv in our launge and no i dont work at sony, neither the guys that replied to your question here now do they?...
anyways, good luck with your selection....[/color:post_uid0]

[kyra]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]i thought we were giving advice, not bitch-slapping!

if it f's up the tv to play video games on it...so be it, but it hasn't happened to me, or about 3 others i know who use it that way too... that's not salesperson talk, it is reality!

so yeah, whoever mentioned the cheap sony gear before, step up and help mal out!! :)

anyways, take care,

Bill[/color:post_uid0]

[IZG-00D]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]giving advise is what i did... dont know where mal got the bitch slap from... always jumping to conclusion... sounds like his got some issue towards some of the guys in this forum.

sales ppl sometimes wont tell you not all this but sometimes they may tell you to protect the dosh you paid for it ($5k+ is alot of money too me, dont know about you guys) cause warranty mite not cover this kind of damage.
it wont totally damage the entire unit, it'll just leave a burn mark on the screen (could be big or small burnt marks)

anyways, like i said before, happy hunting and good luck with your purchase...[/color:post_uid0]

[BigMal]

[color=#000000:post_uid1]Chill Guys !!
I don't hate nobody here and have taken everything as
constructive especially the stuff you said Peter it is great
to know. The weight side of it has worried me a bit as
never realised they were 100kg+ I always thought they
were just box's with a projector below firing back and up.
Cant work out why they need to be that heavy.

So thanks all, what I need now is some prices.

Regards

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

[Rupewrecht]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]btw, i'm pretty sure it was Bradinho (sp?) who had the sony contacts :)[/color:post_uid0]

[mrpayner]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Why not a wide plasma screen, by the middle of the year they should be around 5k for a 42" screen! Better than an LCD screen/projector, and just as compact. You can hang it from the roof if you like and play PS2 whilst laying in bed next to a busty blonde :;): Plus they have inputs a plenty!

Sony plasmas are that great, Panasonic is about the same. Fujitsu aren't too bad, but the best ones in the world are the NEC models. They're other electronics aren't quite as good, but those plasmas they brought out beats the pants off most of the other brands!

Adam[/color:post_uid0]

[BigMal]

[color=#000000:post_uid1]You sure they will be that cheap. I would love one of those
but the prices I have seen are way dearer than that. That
would be the ducks guts.
Just to confirm thou the Big TV is for the lounge, the existing
68cm will go in the bedroom with the Ent Unit. Couldn't put
the plasma on the roof as it would cover the mirrored tiles and
that would ruin the whole fun of watching her to make sure
she is doing it right when you got her turned around for that
68 plus I owe you one lovin !! Kidding of course :D

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

[mrpayner]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Hehehehehe, i understand the problem about the plasma covering the mirrors!!

There was a big article in the SMH about technology for '03, and Plasma screens was one of the sections which they said prices will dramatically fall. I'll be saving for one of those too. Unfortunately I can't find the article about it. I have since deleted the daily email i get from SMH for the headlines....

Adam[/color:post_uid0]

[JynX]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]RPTVs are fine to play most modern games on. The issue about screen burning arises when playing games with static images or leaving a game "paused" for an extended period of time.

The manufactures recommend not playing video games so if they consumer sends the TV back to them they can say, well i told u so. Same philosphy behind the warning that video games cause epilepsy. The chance of getting epilepsy from video games is very low and you need to have certain health conditions for the illness to trigger anyway. So its not like we are all going to drop down with epilepsy just because we play a few video games.

Exercise a bit of common sense, which most of us with computers do anyway, and the RPTV will not have any problems. It is also wise to play games with the contrast slightly lower then normal to "avoid" screen burn. I say that very loosely as the contribution to screen burn is very minor.

As you mentioned BM, your not exactly a "hard core" gamer and really 1-2 hours of a bit of PS2 isnt going to do anything serious.

Projector and screen would be cool though, and i rekon lighting really wouldnt be a terrible issue in your place BM. Just shut the blinds :)[/color:post_uid0]

[BigMal]

[color=#000000:post_uid1]Went to Harveys in Caringbah last night to have a look and
they got a damm nice 140cm widescreen samsung for $5600.
Also I am a little confused about the plasmas. They had a
$12,000 Sony playing a DVD and it looked ****. Grainy as hell
and I was standing right in front. The RPTV's looked better,
but I also looked at the $25k plasma's which were picture
perfect. Do the cheaper units (Hard to say $12k is cheap)
have different resolution than the real dear ones or can you
change the resolution at all. I know places screw with the
settings to make the models that they want to sell look
better but this looked real **** and when you got up close
the dots were heaps larger than the dots/pixels on a normal
TV.

Thanks Guys

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

[mrpayner]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Yes Mal you can get different resolutions for the plasmas. I should have mentioned that but it slipped my mind at the time. Obviously, the higher the resolution the better.

Adam[/color:post_uid0]

[BigMal]

[color=#000000:post_uid1]But are they switchable or is what you see, what you get.
Cause the stuff that I saw in the 5-8k for plasma I didn't
really like in regards to resolution. The RPTV was better.

Ta

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

[mrpayner]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I dont think they are adjustable. You may have seen an entry level plasma. You're right though, the more expensive ones [ie 25K] are better resolution. I saw an LG model at "The Good Guys" 42" i think, it was for $9000 and it looked alright. The had a digital cartoon [like Toy Story] running through it so you can tell the quality from that as there should be no grain at all.

Then there's also the argument that the quality of the picture is dependant on the quality of the input. How good your DVD player is and the cables. Yes, cables do make a difference. The speaker cable's I have on my Hi-Fi system are worth $1500. The interconnect between CD player and Amp is worth $600. Heaps of difference over the cheap stuff.

Hope that helps a little more.

Adam[/color:post_uid0]

[BigBoyLemonade]

[color=#006666:post_uid0]Hey mal also find out if they have tocuhed the signal before it goes into the TV.. sometimes 1 dvd player is playing through 10-15 TV's with out amplification.. so 1 tv will look better because it has a stronger signal[/color:post_uid0]

[bRaDiNhO]

[color=#FF0000:post_uid0]I think this string was meant for me. Been travelling around England a bit so havent been on.... hard life, i know. Too bitchy at the beginning so I didn't read much so apologies if i cover anything thats been said already. It was I, the Sony man.

I don't know of any problems with PS2 etc on Rear pros. Having said that, i have known for people to say not to use them on it. Why? They dont know, i dont know, the Sony rep didnt know. So there you go. I can definately tell u it rocks tho, used to play WRC on a 135cm after work. :;):

DO NOT BUY PLASMA. Lifespan of about 5 year (ok, it is slowly getting better), and it deteriorates. And i dont think its that fantastic to start with. Nice depth, but thats it. Also you will need to spend up on the different cables etc; most dont have straight RCA or component inputs, only S or RGB for computer input. Price is still going to drop on them as well.

I'm not sure of prices anymore, I get back in a month or so and I may/ may not work again. I'm enjoying holidays so i may live off youth allowance. Either way, i can still find out a costing for you to throw at people to get the best deal. I saw you mentioned the rear pro widescreen.... very nice, but depends what you like. If you are going to be watching a lot of analogue tv, games and videos then not really worth it. If u like DVD and thats about it, definately the way to go.

My recommendation? If you have the right room, a projector. The size is huge and nothing beats it. You'll want to have minimum of 4 or 5 metres from projector to wall to get the size. Also, advantage is that at least all Sony projectors are HDTV compatible last time i looked, unlike RP. You'll need to buy screen and a sound system whether that be a Kmart microsystem with an input or a 7.2 channel surround system (second sub facing ground for effect :D ). So not that cheap.

Either way, tell me what you want a costing on and i will see what i can do. Im sending a message to the shop about the 135 now, if anything else, let me know.

Its taken you a while.... the first time we talked bout this was that rainy night u, me and Nick (AHH323 - whered u go?) croozed down to Cronulla after everyone else pulled out coz of the weather!

Anyway, let me know. Oh, i'll only be on the boards for another 2 days before i travel Italy for 3 weeks, so if i dont get back to you soon, i havent forgotten.

Cheers
Brad[/color:post_uid0]

[bRaDiNhO]

[color=#FF0000:post_uid0]Just read a few more posts; Cartoons are not a good way to tell Plasma picture quality. Always demand a dark real life setting such as a concert or any mobster movie. Black is not black on plasma, same on projectors. Rear Pro much better here.

Need darkness for any reasonably priced projector, not so on rear projection. Brightness fine if u are sitting in line with the screen. I dont like Panasonic screens; im not trying to sell u coz i dont work at the moment thus getting no commission, but they are really glary i find, at least 5 months ago they were. Also really confusing on screen menus - not a big deal, just annoying.

Cables do make a diff..... a $100 cable is much better than a $5 cable. No need to spend more than a few hundred on cabling.... the diff between a $1000 cable and a $200 cable is pretty minimal. That said, some people swear on it. I think its pretty choosy, i judge by value moreso.

Mal, the 42" Sony you looked at would have been a high res plasma. Same as the Fujitsu; same factory. Just a few K cheaper in the fight for market share. I used to flog them off at $9000 when retail was $14000.

DVD players definately make a difference. Again, be reasonable. $6000 as opposed to $1000 is a waste. Just dont buy the one between the potatoes and tomatoes at Woolies for $149 and complain you cant get a colour picture. Im sure you knew that. Again, that said, Strathfield sold some XMS DVD players for $200 odd before i left that you could hook up to a VCR and copy DVD to Video very easily on. :p[/color:post_uid0]

[pr1mo]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]mal,
dont go buying anything just yet. ill know if ive won a rear projector TV on the 14th a feb. ive entered over 50 times so i better!

cheers mike[/color:post_uid0]

[BigMal]

[color=#000000:post_uid1]Thanks guys for all the replies.
In a rented flat the setup, mounting etc of a
projector just makes it a bit of a hassle. I already
have cables running under a mat in the living room for
the rear channels. *Also my plan was to move the 68cm
TV into my room for the PS2 and the 51cm that presently
is my my bedroom give to Joshua for his gamecube
so he has something nice to play on. If I got a projector
would really want a normal TV for day/normal use when
the projector isn't warranted.
Still think the RPTV is the better option. *In 5 years when
Plasma's are way better and cheaper then buy a real good
one. *Could then move the RPTV into the bedroom :) Imagine that !!

This is what I am looking at the moment. *HDTV ready.Samsung SP55W3 (http://www.samsung.com.au/samsung.asp?cat=116&obj=966)

Should get me buy for a couple of years.
On cableing I use shielded fibre optic cable between DVD to
Amp. I used to run $100 RCA interconnects which now hang
off the VCR not that I use that much.

Thanks again for all your input.

Regards

Mal

P.S Brad if you could ask about the KP51PS2 would appreciate
it. I like widescreen and on most good ones std 4:3 TV can
be stretched nicely so it doesn't look stretched. Shame it only
has 1 SVHS at the back. Ta Mal[/color:post_uid1]

[mrpayner]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0]Black is not black on plasma, same on projectors[/quote:post_uid0]

Although this is mostly true the black on plasma is better than an LCD screen, and blacks on CRT projectors are absolutely black not unlike their counterparts the LCD projectors. A mate of mine has a CRT projector set up in his flat and I can vouch that black is black. Then again, I suppose it all depends on how much you spend on a projector, and how much brightness you like in your picture..

[quote:post_uid0]Cartoons are not a good way to tell Plasma picture quality. Always demand a dark real life setting such as a concert or any mobster movie.[/quote:post_uid0]

What I meant about cartoon is that you should be able to see how smooth a picture is. Seeing as those digital cartoons have no grain to speak of, you can quite clearly see how well a DVD movie is encoded if you see no compression artefacts at all. It is true that you should also test a TV/Projector/Plasma with dark environments to see how well they can cope with it.

Having said all of this, it really is down to personal preference. Everyone has different ways of looking at things and testing them for their own requirements. That Samsung RP TV looks like a pretty nice unit Mal. Best of luck with the final selection.

Adam[/color:post_uid0]

[pr1mo]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]check out this link.

link (http://www.dvdplaza.com.au/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22497)

might hafta join up but theres some handy info there :)

cheers mike[/color:post_uid0]

[BigMal]

[color=#000000:post_uid1]Mike,
I joined this ages ago after you had it as you quote on the
bottom of your posts. Think I have talked myself into the
RPTV and it being widescreen just want to haggle prices
as best I can.

Ta

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

[pr1mo]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]hehe good work mal :) ill find out the results of this competition on the 14th a feb so han tight until then
:P

cheers mike[/color:post_uid0]

[BigMal]

[color=#000000:post_uid1]Don't get my cheque till the end of February so its all good.

Regards

Mal[/color:post_uid1]