my power went out last night, the news told me why [Archive]

platypus

23-11-2004, 10:13 PM

my power went out as the topic suggested... its sad, a friend of mine actually drove past and sent me a SMS as to why
News.com link (http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11472350%255E421,00.html)
or for the lazy -

FOUR people were killed in two separate accidents on NSW roads in the space of 24 hours, police have said.

Write-off ... Wreckage of a car in the Gosford acccident.

The first accident happened about 8.45pm (AEDT) yesterday at Wyoming, near Gosford.

Two men and a woman died when their car hit a power pole and split in two on Chamberlain Road.

Police said the two men were thrown from the vehicle and killed.

The female passenger was trapped in the wreckage but died at the scene.

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,3600,398325,00.jpg
and this is what its meant to look like-
http://www.croydonracingdevelopments.com.au/gallery/albums/EVLR34/DSC06853.sized.jpg
the guy who owns the car is in europe at the moment and his son took the car out - all i can say is please can you all slow down?

skyline forum linkage (http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56637)

tidy protege

23-11-2004, 11:25 PM

its an absolute tradgey, i think of all my mates with skylines and 200sx's and I am so thankful im driving a mazda (and I hope I will be if i get my way and my olds dont get theirs)

People slow down like most of you i think its cool to open the car up every now and again but this has really opened my eyes. This happened is probably one of the safest cars out there so dont over estimate your car and drive safe, life is too important

Red Frog

23-11-2004, 11:33 PM

apparently the girl was pregnant.....that's even sadder that that baby neva had a chance. all i can say is wot was the driver thinking putting the other ppl's lives in danger?? chamberlain rd, wyoming, is V. close to where james lives and it's mostly all residential. wot would have happened if that telegraph pole was actually someone's front lounge room? unfortunately, the consequences aren't considered b4 someone speeds like this bcos 'it won't happen to me' flashes across their mind....

condolences go out to the families and friends of the deceased + rescue services that had to deal with the horrific scene of the accident.

platypus

23-11-2004, 11:37 PM

the accident scene is a 15 minute walk from my house

preeman80

23-11-2004, 11:44 PM

****! :?

damn.... sad time indeed.. another reason to keep the speed in check!

As much fun it is/maybe, i think we tend to forget the REAL danger when something goes wrong!

tidy protege

23-11-2004, 11:49 PM

Its very true we had a close call a couple of months back with a maniac from my year doing 150 in 50 zone on a saturday afternoon with small childeren everywhere. if any of them small kids had been on the road they wouldnt have had a chance the worst part of my story is that the idiot got off lost it and crashed his car into someones house luckily the owners were away over seas if they had been home there 5 year old and 3 year old would be dead.

Its such a grim story, but a sad testimate to yound people not having fast cars, behave peoples cause most of use behave our selfs and if there are any more faitalities like this life will become very hard for young drivers.

The biggest victem in this story is the unborn baby as some stupid fun has halted their very existance the secod victem community as this will surely be the start of alot of contnsious issues.

apparently the girl was pregnant.....that's even sadder that that baby neva had a chance. all i can say is wot was the driver thinking putting the other ppl's lives in danger?? chamberlain rd, wyoming, is V. close to where james lives and it's mostly all residential. wot would have happened if that telegraph pole was actually someone's front lounge room? unfortunately, the consequences aren't considered b4 someone speeds like this bcos 'it won't happen to me' flashes across their mind....

condolences go out to the families and friends of the deceased + rescue services that had to deal with the horrific scene of the accident.

platypus

23-11-2004, 11:53 PM

yes this was in fact a fatality of 4

and as to loons on the road some one drove into my neighbours house the other day - a v. quiet residential street for those who know it

Cloudland

24-11-2004, 01:46 AM

that's really sad. :(

lamby1986

24-11-2004, 08:53 AM

its sad that this tragedy happened, but how could one think that 160 in a 50 zone could be safe. although 50 may seem rediculously slow, its there for a reason. if you wanna race your high performance cars, go get your stuff and take it to a track.

as for the proposed idea of p platers only being allowed to drive alone, the only advantage in that would be that in such a crash they only kill themselves.

KittyKatSmack

24-11-2004, 09:20 AM

OMG!!

I had to drive home from Newcastle last night, instead of the planned Thursday.....

I left Newcastle at 6.45pm approximately, so I was only a few hours ahead of that accident!

How scary is that, and I had my right foot firmly applied too........

http://www.kitty-ranch.net/kitty/omg.gif

MrShadow

24-11-2004, 09:47 AM

Damn! That sucks, they're a real nice car.

as for the proposed idea of p platers only being allowed to drive alone, the only advantage in that would be that in such a crash they only kill themselves.

If the only reason this guy was doing this was because of peer pressure, then it would have saved all four lives, a nice car and a lot of heartache. If he was only doing to show off, it may not have happened at all, or if he did, you're right, so long as he didn't hit anybody else.

Respect to the families, friends and rescue workers (and the locals).

JynX

24-11-2004, 10:36 AM

KittyKatSmack

24-11-2004, 10:44 AM

JynX,

I thought the kid took his Dad's car out for a spin....... so in this instance, it wouldn't have made a difference.

But I do see your point.

Nate

24-11-2004, 11:59 AM

i heard about that one from a mate ... hearing about it is one thing ... seeing it is another :shock: :(

Rupewrecht

24-11-2004, 12:06 PM

thats tragic.

i was lucky enought to be stupid and get away with it in low-powered cars.

but that shouldn't happen to anyone

Nate

24-11-2004, 12:14 PM

92kw of astina power ... still good for 200km/h tho :(

lamby1986

24-11-2004, 12:22 PM

If the only reason this guy was doing this was because of peer pressure, then it would have saved all four lives, a nice car and a lot of heartache. If he was only doing to show off, it may not have happened at all, or if he did, you're right, so long as he didn't hit anybody else.

considering it was his dad's car (who was away), the car was occupied by young people and it was a R34 GTR, peer pressure would likely have something to with such an incident.

as for the proposed idea of p platers only being allowed to drive alone, the only advantage in that would be that in such a crash they only kill themselves.

as for my own comment, i only ever drive outside the law if i am alone in the car, alone on the road and in atleast a 60+khp zone. if there is someone in the car i "show off" by driving the best i can using all road rules. therefore the above recomendation to the RTA would work on someone like me who is not affected by peer pressure situations to stop them killing themselves, but only cause problems in not allowing to have more passengers in the car.

Nate

24-11-2004, 12:29 PM

its a prime case for the introduction of power/weight ratios for inexperienced drivers in NSW. This kid should never been behind the wheel of the car in the first place.

the astina was well and truely enough for me when i got my licence ... but you cany stop a young person driving a quick car ... what it all comes back to is a lack of a good driver training program ... it is too easy for a kid like myself to get there licence and jump into a high performance car without knowing ts limits ... of couse you want to go out and see what your beast can do ... but its pure guess work on how much is too much ... you only know until it comes undone ... you think you are invincible until you see the effects first hand ... for me it was hearing my mate roll his car on a mountain road some 300m's away ... and that was only at 70km/h ... i can still here the sound of metal on road in my head.

i feel so much sympathy for the parents of the ppl that died in this accident. parents arnt ment to buiry there kids

twilightprotege

24-11-2004, 12:47 PM

just shows how stuffed our licencing laws are.

i know there are a lot of people on this board under 25, but i still strongly beleive that it should be similar motorbike licencing. a maximum power-weight ratio until you reach 25. i know it wont stop people taking daddy's car for a spin, but it would stop kids with no experience driving buying a $15k turbo car, and let's face it. you can get a lot of turbo car for $15k now with all the imports around.

tidy protege

24-11-2004, 01:22 PM

When ever i hear all these rules about power to weight ratios and limts on the people driving it really ****s me because its only a smal minority out there doing this crazy **** and wrecking for us who behave.

I have never done any serious speeds when there is chance of it affecting anyone but me. I feel for the family but as a result of that kids stupidity **** is really gonna hit the fan.

I think this incident will initiate some big law changes and they wont be for the better, people are still gonna speed people still have access to their high powered cars.

I have a few friends and me myself included have access to high performance cars and realistcally we have to remember that matter what kids are going to experiment, so its best that they do it in a control place,like advanced drving programs and track days. Then us kids can push our cars to their limits in a safe environment, the only reason why this is happening is because kids have no where to push their cars and learn their limits.

this should be a wake up call, us kids need local places where it is safe to push our cars and learn our limits. If the rta were to run legalised drag racing in local areas i guarantee that high speed fatalities would be on the increase. All the tracks in sydney mean nothing to people away from the city as people cant be bothered travelling all that way, this intrun results in people taking it to our public roads and thats when it becomes a real issue.

just shows how stuffed our licencing laws are.

i know there are a lot of people on this board under 25, but i still strongly beleive that it should be similar motorbike licencing. a maximum power-weight ratio until you reach 25. i know it wont stop people taking daddy's car for a spin, but it would stop kids with no experience driving buying a $15k turbo car, and let's face it. you can get a lot of turbo car for $15k now with all the imports around.

twilightprotege

24-11-2004, 01:45 PM

so true...it is a small minority. i have had quick cars all my life and i think i've been pretty good.

anyway, a good point to note. several years ago there was a gold coast drag strip and every friday night (i think) police ran drag racing there. at the time it was running there was almost no street racing. then it was shut down (insurance costs...and i'm not pissed with the insurance companies because they arent to blame, it's the friggen lawyers sueing for millions because some jerk did something stupid while pissed - remember the drunk diving into the surf and then sueing the manly council (i think it was manly) for $2m coz he was made a paraplegic)...anyway back to the rant...it was shut down coz of the costs. immediately street racing picked back up.

also, it's unfortunately the small minority that make the changes happen. osama bin laden is muslim so all muslims must be terrorists...

tidy protege

24-11-2004, 01:47 PM

very true

MrShadow

24-11-2004, 02:06 PM

BigBoyLemonade

24-11-2004, 02:58 PM

To many dickheads, to few bullets.

tidy protege

24-11-2004, 04:50 PM

nah too many dickheads and to many cops wasting time defecting cars rather than petroling the streets and stopping stuff like this happening

platypus

24-11-2004, 11:02 PM

although this guy had attended BMW driver training - i know how rigorous this training is, but people will still do things, no matter what....

i also know the road where this happened... its an uneven dip in the road, and i'm not surpised he crossed the road... the dip literally pulls the wheel out of your hand

twilightprotege

25-11-2004, 12:39 AM

another point to note - why dont they STOP using power poles and use underground power instead? how many people do you hear crashing into power poles vs houses? i know going into a house would make more $$$ damage, but the chances of survival is far greater.

anyway, i'd like to see the govt legislate that if any power poles that need replacing, that entire block must be converted to underground power. not such a hard ask since all new estates (well atleast in qld) have to be underground power...

Red Frog

25-11-2004, 03:53 AM

hehehe yes great idea in theory BUT who will be paying for it?
it's cheaper and easier to bring in new laws changing how many passengers, the size of the engine, etc etc, are allowed, rather than putting poles underground. but funny u say that, bcos if this same thing happened in james' street (not far from the accident scene), it would have been a house bcos all powerpoles are underground in his street...then again you couldn't really do 200km/h in his street, but you get the jist!

Red Frog

25-11-2004, 04:04 AM

also to add, sth dodgy was going on with these ppl......the girl, EDIT: name removed was 15yrs old and pregnant, and the 33yr old in the car was apparently her bf. now if he's the father, i'd be calling that illegal, wouldn't you? it all sounds a little suss to me....
or were they on drugs/alcohol, causing them to be totally idiots? post mortem will show this, i'm sure.

neways, i have no sympathy for the driver. as a driver myself, i do get a little silly at times, but nothing like going 200km/h in a 50 zone and residential area! i couldn't handle such a speed in such a performance car, unless i was on a race track. whether the driver had BMW training or not, he's 20 and has hardly any experience of driving.
most ppl who drive down chamberlain rd (according to james) hit the strange dip and don't forget about it. assumingly, the nxt time they drive down the rd they a) avoid it or b) slow down as they approach the dip. if these ppl were locals, y would they do such a stoopid thing on such a dangerous stretch of rd? y did the driver feel it appropriate to put not only himself in danger but his passengers and an unborn baby PLUS every single resident in that street?? or like i said b4, was it the case of the 'it won't happen to me' syndrome...

mrpayner

25-11-2004, 07:58 AM

Since i've heard and read about these horrific accidents all the time, i've been wondering the legislation should be brought in to help, as it won't get rid of it completely, reduce the number of fatalites on Australian Road by not allowing a person on L plates, P plates OR even up to the age of 25 [this still includes me!] to own or drive a vehicle with over 2000cc capacity and it must not be turbo charged or super charged.

Having said this i know that it doesn't take much to end up in this situation, someone in a 20 year old Gemini could end up in the same position...

I see it constantly here in ballarat, there are that many turbo VL commodores and skylines running around here with P plates attached that it's not funny.. My mother wouldn't let me get a big sedan or huge amounts of power for my first car for exactly this reason until i got some experience.. The Astina is my second car was was a suitable step up at the time. Who knows what I'm getting power wise for my next car.

What a sad waste of lives.

Regards
Adam

Nate

25-11-2004, 10:45 AM

My mother wouldn't let me get a big sedan or huge amounts of power for my first car for exactly this reason until i got some experience

same :? :? :? so i went and got an astina ... quicker than a stock commy :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

kritta

28-11-2004, 06:04 PM

all my sympathies go out to the parents of those people.
i heard about that on the early news when it happened, i told nate about it. i was horrified to think such a thought would go through someone's mind as to go 200km/h in a 50km/h residential area. where was there head honestly! more so if alcohol or drugs were involved, where was the heads of the passengers involved ?
i agree with leigh and andy with the underground power thing, something should be done to prevent this from happening.
just a few weeks ago a few hoons were goin around the block near my place, it is rather long and round in shape and has a few slow points every 200m, these 17year old's decided it would be a good idea to race in opposite directions around the block and one of em got airborn off an island and ploughed straight into the bedroom of an old couple.
luckily neither of them where hurt on the outside, but they were broken on the inside> the reason being is cause once the commodore was removed from the house, it fell down in front of their eyes!

guys think b4 u put ur foot down,
stay safe over this holiday season!

luv ya'll
kritta

platypus

28-11-2004, 07:04 PM

no ....

if we have no power poles then cars go into houses, but houses actually fall down better than poles/trees

so hey lets remove all power poles, then all the traffic signal poles, then we best get rid of guttering, followed by all trees within a 50m boundary of every australian road, then probably not a bad idea to fill all the lakes and rivers we could drive into, and i suppose that we should have roads 10 m wide, so that we can't wander from our lanes

or i suppose driving carefully wouldn't go astray

krista, you don't even have a licence.....

kritta

28-11-2004, 09:15 PM

hey just cause i aint got a licence, dont mean i cant tell ya'll to stay safe and stick to the road rules!!

sure power pole and guards prevent ppl from crashing into what is beyond them, like houses and cliffs etc. but if ya'll would stick to doin the correct speed limit then we wouldnt have a problem correct?

stay safe ya'll
luv ya
kritta

Red Frog

02-12-2004, 03:07 AM

29-11-04: Improving safety for young drivers - a joint intitative b/t carl scully, the kids and the RTA.

http://www.youngdrivers.com.au/
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/newsevents/2004_11_youngdriverspaper.html?hhid=1

submit your comments about what you feel should be implemented towards P platers and young drivers.

Red Frog

02-12-2004, 03:17 AM

The 11 options in the discussion paper are:

-Increasing the mandatory period of supervised driving for Learner drivers from 50 hours to 100 hours. won't achieve much
-Increasing the minimum period as a Learner driver from six months to 12 months. agree
-Increasing the age for P plate licences to 18 years. disagree
-Further developing formal driver training. very much agree
-Providing an increased role for secondary schools in driver training. very much agree
-Improvements to the on-road test to progress from a Learner to a P plate driver. agree
-A limit of one passenger for P1 drivers aged under 26, with exemptions. disagree
-Prohibiting P plate drivers from driving high-powered vehicles, with exemptions. agree
-Modifying the demerit point structure for young drivers. won't achieve much
-Introducing a night driving restriction, with exemptions. will encounter problems
-A requirement for 15 hours of night driving for Learner drivers. very much agree

Mr Scully said initiatives will only be introduced if they are practical, enforceable and broadly supported.

tidy protege

02-12-2004, 11:15 AM

I agree with all of your views on the proposed lew ideas concerning young drivers.

People need to use commonsense and parents need to take a more involved stance on education young drivers, generally most parents care about how there children drive but in the learning process see it as a chore.

Rather than taking this approach parents ust see this as an opportunity to enlist some driving values and morals as many young people dont realise the possible consequances of a little fun