GB: [QLD] NGK Iridium spark plugs - Another Twiggy Special!

[twilightprotege]

would anyone be interested in a purchase of NGK iridium spark plugs?

this is the plug details :

NGK iridium plugs represent the ultimate evolution of spark plug technology and performance. The iridium center electrode is both stronger and harder than platinum. This allows NGK engineers to design an ultra-fine (0.6mm)center electrode reducing the voltage requirement for spark. This allows for a brighter, stronger spark from your existing ignition system. The ground electrode has a tapered cut at the firing end which reduces quenching for better flame core growth and increased ignitability. The combination of fine wire center electrode and tapered cut ground will increase performance, improve acceleration, and fuel efficiency.

I'll be getting the "5" heat range - standard replacement heat range. I can get different heat ranges if you require.

also, i'll be getting the "extended electrode" model. what that means is that the spark is located further down in the cylinder and therefore should yield a bit more power as the spark is closer to the middle of the chamber and ignites the fuel and air quicker (ie not as far to the furtherest part of the cylinder). also, you'll get a tiny tiny bump in compression ratio. from say 9.7:1 to 9.71:1

price will be apx $49 for 4. slightly cheaper than the last ones i sold due to the better exchange rate. price includes postage to you.

[Toyboy]

Yeah ive been running these plugs for over a year now and they never need cleaning :D
Even with my fuel pressure running at 10 psi higher then standard they dont foul up,well worth the money :wink:

[SehnKhan]

This will be for all models yeah?

[twilightprotege]

will fit all models, yes - v6 included.

you can double check here :
http://www.ngk.com.au/PartFinder/spark_plug_cars.php?PageMode=Model&Make=Mazda

whatever suits part no BKR#EIX-11 or ZFR#EIX-11 - the # is the heat range. 5 being the hottest. the higher the number the colder the plug. all of our NA engines here can handle 5 heat range. i have 6 heat range at the moment in my car and works fine, but will try 5 next to see which is the best heat range for my engine

[SehnKhan]

Ahh k, mine comes up as Iridium Option BKR5EIX-11 1.1.

Guess it wont hurt to get some, if the group buy goes ahead put me down for a set.

[Rupewrecht]

and mine is

10/89 - 06/94 Mazda 323 1.8L DOHC, Turbo BPB

Spark Plug Part No.
Recommended Plug BKR6E-11
Iridium Option BKR6EIX-11

[twilightprotege]

yeah the ones i'll actually be getting is the ZFR#EIX-11. the ZF means the extended electrode which is a better idea. will work the same as the BK so no need to worry about that

so anyway, i'll start a list :

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 5
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 5
3. SehnKhan - 4 x heat 5

rupe does that mean you're after some?

[Mizda_Mazda]

I'll get 6x Iridium Option BKR6EIX-11(not for a astina for a R31), maybe 10 (extra 4 for the astina) depending on the cost per item at the end.

Whats the difference between ZFR and BKR if it works the same??? Theres got to be some sort of difference besdie a extended electrode.

[Cloudland]

subscribe and keep an eye.

i'll check mine this week if they are not already iridium then i'm in.

[boostedbatman]

Andy can you get me a set of 6.

[SehnKhan]

If you can get me the BKR5EIX-11 1.1. then i am definately in

[arden]

Put me down for a set thanks Mr Twiggy

[323_mazdabator]

hey yeh i'm in for sure.. let me know when the buy is going through coz i might be keen to get 2 sets of them.... just ione question though are they the same as the BPT motor? will they handle the turbo?

[twilightprotege]

ok, i'll break down the cost a little more than $49 for 4.

price per plug $10
shipping cost to oz and to you $9.


mizda - the BK's look like this :
http://www.ngk.com/productImages/1/90A.jpg
the ZF's look like this
http://www.sparkplugs.com/productImages/1/106A.jpg

see how the tip in the second one is higher than the first? that just makes the spark further down into the combusion chamber which i beleive is a better design.

sehnkhan - i can.

mazdabator - will fit the BPT yes, and turbo i'd suggest 1 or 2 heat ranges colder so you help reduce pre-detonation. and buy will happen in a week or 2 i guess. depends on interest. if you want 7 heat range it's only avail in the BK.

all - here's an explaination on heat ranges and other plug tech : http://www.ngk.com.au/tech_content.html


1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 5 ZF
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 5 ZF
3. SehnKhan - 4 x heat 5 BK
4. mizda - 10 x heat 6 BK
5. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
6. sabrelli - 4 x heat 5 ZF

everyone just double check the above

[skippy]

Say I didn't know what sparkies I need, where would I find out?

I have a 96 BA V6, which came with platinum ones and I've been quoted a fair bit higher than $10 each. So upgrade for less, ummm yeah I think I'll do it if they fit.

[twilightprotege]

skippy, yep they'll fit fine.

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 5 ZF
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 5 ZF
3. SehnKhan - 4 x heat 5 BK
4. mizda - 10 x heat 6 BK
5. boosted - 6 x heat 6??? ZF
6. sabrelli - 4 x heat 5 ZF
7. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF

boosted and skippy - i've put you down as heat 6 because the aussie ngk site says heat range 6

[ezin]

Can u put me down for 4 x heat 5 ZF

So 5 is the hottest u can get cause i remember my car runs kind of rich so a hotter than standard plug would probably be better. I think ive got 6 in it atm and its due for new plugs, nice timing twilight.

[Raven]

Ok put me down for 4 please!

But I have one question... I did the search and it says I need

Iridium Option BKR6EIX-11

witch are a 6 heat. so are the 5 (the ones your geting) going to be ok?

...If they are I'll be in for sure....

..Raven..

[mrpayner]

G'day Andy

I'm interested too.. the AUS website says Iridium Option BKR6EIX-11 1.1, I'm assuming the ZF units can be purchased too?

I'd assume also that heat range 6 would be the only available unit??

Quote from the NGK Website..
Heat range selection is vital to ensure optimum performance of spark plugs.

A spark plug's optimum operating temperature is between 450 degrees C and 870 degrees C. Spark plug tip temperatures outside this range can occur when an incorrect heat rating is selected. Viz:

When the heat rating is too high:

The spark plug temperature remains too low and causes deposits to build up on the firing end; the deposits offer an electrical leakage path that gives rise to loss of sparks.

When the heat rating is too low:

The spark plug temperature rises too high and induces abnormal combustion (pre-ignition): this leads to melting of the spark plug electrodes as well as piston seizure and erosion.

NGK Spark Plugs pioneered the use of a copper cored electrode in 1958, which enables a spark plug to heat up quickly and also dissipate heat quickly giving an ultra wide heat range. It is essential to use a spark plug that fits a specific engine and its conditions of use.

As spark plugs are positioned in the head of an engine, their analysis can give a good indication of how your engine is operating.

Cheers
Adam

[nalawa]

Interestingly I looked up the Mazda 323 Astina Owners Manual (1997 - 8M37) and it quotes the following:

1.6 & 1.8 lt engines NGK BKR5E-11
2.0 lt engines NGK BKR6E-11

Gap for both plugs is quoted at 1.1 +0.0/-0.1 mm

I am interested in a set but now am unsure which heat rating is most applicable

[nalawa]

Even more confusing I decided to look at the part finder for Japanese imports at NGK's Australian website and the results are:

1993.9 - 1997.9 MAZDA LANTIS 1800 - BP-ZE

Recommended Plug BKR5E-11
Iridium Option BKR5EIX-11

1993.9 - 1997.9 MAZDA LANTIS 2000 - KF-ZE

Recommended Plug BKR6E-11
Iridium Option BKR6EIX-11

So what's the difference between the import and the local 1800 BP motor?

[chicaboo]

My order looks good, thanks Twigy.

Gav.

[mrpayner]

Let me check with my contact at Repco before completing my order thanks Andy.. That's an interesting point that nalawa has raised..

Regards
Adam

[twilightprotege]

ok, so far we have :

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 5 ZF
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 5 ZF
3. SehnKhan - 4 x heat 5 BK
4. mizda - 10 x heat 6 BK
5. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
6. sabrelli - 4 x heat 5 ZF
7. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
8. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF
9. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF
10. mrpayner - ???
11. nalawa - ???

ezin - yes 5 is the hottest regularly available. and yes because our cars run way too rich, a hotter plug will be good.

raven - what engine do you have?

payner - zf's are the same as bk's yes, just longer tip. zf's are available in 5 and 6 heat range, bk's are in 5,6,7 and probably 8 and 9

nalawa - the v6's require the 6 heat range, the 4's require the 5.


all - if you are not sure which heat range you need to get, take out one of your plugs and have a look at it. then compare it to this site : http://www.dansmc.com/spark_plugs/spark_plugs_catalog.html

find which picture matches the plugs most accurately. they you'll know for sure what heat range is best. at the moment, my 6 heat range plugs look like picture no 7 - "cold or rich but ok". this is why i'm going to try heat range 5.

[Cloudland]

ok, so far we have :
do you have a deadline on this? :?

[Mizda_Mazda]

k, i'll take 6 x heat 5 ZF, they seem to be the go.

[Raven]

I have a 1.8L DOHC BP motor.

They going to be fine in my motor?

[323_mazdabator]

hey yeh i've done a search on the ngk site for which plugs to use on the BPT and they suggested the

Recommended Plug BKR6E-11 1.1
Iridium Option BKR6EIX-11 1.1

so i'll grab 2 sets (8 plugs) if thats ok..

can you just double check these are the right ones for the bpt... it says the bpt and the bp motor use the same plugs.

[skippy]

Mizda you said,
k, i'll take 6 x heat 5 ZF, they seem to be the go.

why did you change from Heat 6?
are these for an astina or an R31?

[Cloudland]

i'm in. :)

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 5 ZF
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 5 ZF
3. SehnKhan - 4 x heat 5 BK
4. mizda - 10 x heat 6 BK
5. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
6. sabrelli - 4 x heat 5 ZF
7. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
8. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF
9. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF
10. mrpayner - ???
11. nalawa - ???
12. cloudland - 4 x heat 5 ZF

[323_mazdabator]

hey guy i'm definitly in but only put me in for one set..(4 plugs) i changed my mind i realised that buying two sets is just greedy but i definelty want one set of the BKR6EIX-11 1.1

[nalawa]

Twilight Wrote

nalawa - the v6's require the 6 heat range, the 4's require the 5

For a BA 1.8L DOHC the NGK website recommends:

Using the SPARK PLUG FINDER : Cars, 4WDs & Commericals : Mazda : 323 Astina : 07/94 - 09/98 1.8L DOHC BP : BKR6EIX-11

Using the SPARK PLUG FINDER : Japanese Imports : Mazda : Lantis : 1993.9 - 1997.9 1800 BP-ZE : BKR5EIX-11

This was why I asked the question what the difference between the J-Spec and the Oz 1.8L BP engine was.

That said I am going to go with what the Owners Hand Book says, so I'll have a set of four (4) BKR5EIX-11 if you please Mr Organiser

Chris

PS. Anyone know how much a set of NGK Ignition leads will lighten my wallet?

[twilightprotege]

mmmk. we have :

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 5 ZF
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 5 ZF
3. SehnKhan - 4 x heat 5 BK
4. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
5. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
6. sabrelli - 4 x heat 5 ZF
7. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
8. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF
9. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF
10. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
11. cloudland - 4 x heat 5 ZF
12. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
13. mrpayner - ???

cloudland - just so you know, yours will be an extra $4aud for postage to the land of the long white cloud

nalawa - oh, in your previous post you refered to the japanese as the KF engine, ie the v6. either way, the heat 5 will be fine.

mazdabator & sehnkhan - are you sure you want the BK and not the ZF's? see my post earlier showing the differences in the tips.

anyone else?

[Cloudland]

cloudland - just so you know, yours will be an extra $4aud for postage to the land of the long white cloud
sure thing.

i havn't had time to check the plugs - actually i've been reading the manual. but, for what? this is got to be worthy. :D

[platypus]

i might need some... i;ll get back to ya

[twilightprotege]

gee we're going to have a good list of ppl here. will probably get 2 shipments from america to make sure we dont get slugged with customs (damn customs).

ok, i'll put a finish date to this : Midday Sunday 5 December.

so make sure you're order is correct and we'll start to get the mulah

[chipa]

tada! time to spend some more money on the sp20!

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 5 ZF
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 5 ZF
3. SehnKhan - 4 x heat 5 BK
4. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
5. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
6. sabrelli - 4 x heat 5 ZF
7. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
8. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF
9. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF
10. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
11. cloudland - 4 x heat 5 ZF
12. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
13. mrpayner - ???
14. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF

[tidy protege]

I know it sounds dumb please dont rip me off but what will these new spark plugs do, Obviously they are worth it if so many people are interested, i might see if i can twist the olds arm if they can justify the buy

[CHiMPY]

4 x heat 5 ZF seem to be the go for the 1.8 so put me down for some.

[twilightprotege]

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 5 ZF
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 5 ZF
3. SehnKhan - 4 x heat 5 BK
4. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
5. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
6. sabrelli - 4 x heat 5 ZF
7. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
8. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF
9. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF
10. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
11. cloudland - 4 x heat 5 ZF
12. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
13. mrpayner - ???
14. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
15. chimpy - 4 x heat 5 ZF

tidy - basically the idea behind iridium plugs is so that the tip (as seen in the pictures) is very very thin (0.6mm). this is because iridium has a much higher melting point than other metals and is a good conducter of electricity. the thin tip enables the spark to be more focused at the top of it to go across to the other part of the plug. a more focused plug means more spark power. in old plugs (ie copper and platinum), the tips had to be bigger because they'd just melt away in a few hundred k's. for more info, see : http://www.densoiridium.com/irid_power.php & http://www.densoiridium.com/faq.php

Iridium is 6 times harder, 8 times stronger, and has a melting point 1200 degrees F higher than platinum

[SehnKhan]

mazdabator & sehnkhan - are you sure you want the BK and not the ZF's? see my post earlier showing the differences in the tips.



If the ZF's fit the BG carby engine then I'll take those instead in heat 5 I guess. Just need to be sure.

[mrpayner]

OK.. i consulted with my user manual.. Heat 5's for me!

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 5 ZF
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 5 ZF
3. SehnKhan - 4 x heat 5 ZF <-- Adjustment
4. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
5. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
6. sabrelli - 4 x heat 5 ZF
7. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
8. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF
9. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF
10. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
11. cloudland - 4 x heat 5 ZF
12. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
13. mrpayner - 4 x heat 5 ZF <-- Adjustment
14. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
15. chimpy - 4 x heat 5 ZF

Regards
Adam

[twilightprotege]

sehn - yep will definately fit (unless you have 18:1 compression ratio...)


oh and bump!

[coldie123]

count me in too please! :)

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 5 ZF
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 5 ZF
3. SehnKhan - 4 x heat 5 ZF <-- Adjustment
4. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
5. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
6. sabrelli - 4 x heat 5 ZF
7. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
8. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF
9. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF
10. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
11. cloudland - 4 x heat 5 ZF
12. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
13. mrpayner - 4 x heat 5 ZF <-- Adjustment
14. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
15. chimpy - 4 x heat 5 ZF
16. coldie123 - 4 x heat 5 ZF

[twilightprotege]

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 5 ZF
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 5 ZF
3. SehnKhan - 4 x heat 5 ZF
4. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
5. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
6. sabrelli - 4 x heat 5 ZF
7. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
8. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF
9. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF
10. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
11. cloudland - 4 x heat 5 ZF
12. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
13. mrpayner - 4 x heat 5 ZF
14. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
15. chimpy - 4 x heat 5 ZF
16. coldie123 - 4 x heat 5 ZF
17. snert - 4 x heat 5 ZF


(forgot to add snert from our talks today).

anymore? man this is going to be a big order!

[Mizda_Mazda]

So, how much is it gonna cost per plug??? do you want more people involved???

[twilightprotege]

well it's $10 per plug, $9 postage from america (ie your share) and postage to you

in terms of more people - why not? how many others would be interested?

so far we're up to 74 plugs!

[adelaidesp20]

Hiya,

I have 70,000km service coming up next february and havent checked to see if spark plugs are part of the changeover in the service, if so, I would be very interested in purchasing 4 for my SP20.

Does anyone know how much mazda normally charge for a normal set of plugs ?

Claude

[323_mazdabator]

hey every one seems to be going for the ZF's instead ok the BK's... will the ZF's still be ok for the BPT??? if so i'll get a set of the ZF's not the BK's

[twilightprotege]

adelaidesp20 - probably heaps. mazda isnt cheap and they just use stock standard ngk plugs

323 - the zf's will be fine, so long as you're happy with the 6 heat range. and since that's what you have on the list, go for the ZF's. if you wanted a 7 or higher heat range, BK's is the only option

[nalawa]

Twilight,

You have put me down for the ZFs when I actually wanted to buy 4 x BKR5EIX-11

Interestingly I have been trying to find more information on the difference between the ZF and BK series plugs. After searching NGKs site in Oz and the US with no luck or information I decided to call them and ask. After consultation with one of the reps I was told that you while the BK and ZF series plugs have the same physical specifications that because of the "projected gap" of the ZF plugs that they could/should not be used as a replacement for the BK series.

Sorry to muddy the waters at late notice but I thought it was important to pass on what NGK in Sydney had advised.

Therefore as I stated earlier I will go with what my owners manual states and that is the BKR5EIX-11

Thanks

Christopher

[mrpayner]

After consultation with one of the reps I was told that you while the BK and ZF series plugs have the same physical specifications that because of the "projected gap" of the ZF plugs that they could/should not be used as a replacement for the BK series.

I'm going to check this with my Repco contact tomorrow..

Regards
AP

[twilightprotege]

that's ngk being safe. i am 100% certain they will work on any of the mazda engines and work safely. afterall, guys on the www.msprotege.com forum use the ZF's all the time : see http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26377&highlight=zf%2A+ngk

ngk are probably just a little worried that because of the extra 2-3mm on the tip (at most), that might hit the piston.

[mrpayner]

price will be apx $49 for 4.

Just a quick question Andy, is that US$49 or AUS$49??

Regards
Adam

[twilightprotege]

$49aud

[Mizda_Mazda]

what's the go with postage??? is it posted to our door?? or is there big lot sent to a state/city where we pickup or can be sent from???

[twilightprotege]

posted to your door :D

depending on cost, i may even express post it to your door

[mrpayner]

G'day Andy

Sorry mate, my bro and I are opting out this time round..

New list below...

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 5 ZF
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 5 ZF
3. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
4. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 5 ZF
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
7. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 5 ZF
11. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
13. chimpy - 4 x heat 5 ZF
14. coldie123 - 4 x heat 5 ZF
15. snert - 4 x heat 5 ZF


Regards
Adam

[twilightprotege]

tis ok.

2nd last day boys and girls.

mizda - were there going to be others interested?

[Mizda_Mazda]

i'm just about to post it on the r31 skyline forum.

[twilightprotege]

mizda - any word???

[Mizda_Mazda]

nope not yet, just a few questions, pretty similar questions asked here.

Whats the dead line???

[Cloudland]

ugh, any gb plan, or recommendation of ignition wires?

i'm looking on this:
http://www.corksport.com/content/00/01/06/61/73/shop/products/images/618155.jpg

MAGNECOR 8.5mm Ignition Wires ('01-'03 2.0L)

Ignition Cables feature Magnecor's exclusive 2.5mm high capacity Metallic Inductance EMI Suppressed conductor consisting of stainless steel wire precisely wound at 200 turns per inch over a ferrimagnetic core. The insulating jacket is made entirely of Magnecor's exclusive TC-1500-HS high strength aerospace grade silicone rubber, and its single layer construction will prolong the jacket's insulating ability by conducting extreme heat away from hot-spots that occur near over-the-limit heat sources.

US$68

[twilightprotege]

mizda - well i'm just about to extend the deadline, see below

cloudland - i have those wires and they are good. i'm sure a GB could be arranged as i know another person who would definately get them.


everyone, this is very very important!!!

the GB deadline will be extended for the following reasons. chicaboo and i were today looking at our cars. we decided to check the plugs. anyway, checking back to the plug colour site, we found that his plugs was like colour 23 and mine was like colour 21 (i have heat range 6 atm). so gav is going to change his to heat 6 and i'm going to change mine to heat 7 for later and some heat 6 for now.

before i place this order, i want everyone to check their plugs and confirm what plug they want (in accordance with the temp site below) and mark their order as confirmed. if your plug is in the "best" or "but ok" range, you are safe to get the same temp plug as what you have now. if you have "but ok", you can choose to go colder or hotter depending on what it says. if you're anything else, you must go hotter or colder than what you have now. if you need help deciding this, tell me what your plug looks like and we'll work it out.

and the site is http://www.dansmc.com/spark_plugs/spark_plugs_catalog.html

so, pls do this asap! remember, ZF's are only heat 5 and 6, BK's from heat 5 to heat 9

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
4. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 5 ZF
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
7. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 5 ZF
11. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
13. chimpy - 4 x heat 5 ZF
14. coldie123 - 4 x heat 5 ZF
15. snert - 4 x heat 5 ZF


another important note, heat 7+ is $11 per plug rather than $10 per plug

any questions, just ask!

[skippy]

Is this only if anything other than standard was used before?
Is this only necessary if the engine has been modded?
Mine is a stock car that was fleet owned and serviced by mazda so everything in there had better be stock.



would we need to check all sparkies or should they all be about the same?
cause I have no chance at reaching the ones at the back without some other tools.

How long is the GB extension?

FYI The manual says
NGK 1.8L BKR5E-11 2.0L BKR6E-11,

I am little nervrous about going from BK to ZF anything you can say to ease my mind, more detial the better, probably will go the ZF.

PS The sparkies in the V6 need replacing a 90k i am at 88.5 so mmmm perfect.



FYI : New Topic

New topic started started re ignition leads.
called (you'll never guess) Ignition leads.

[twilightprotege]

if you're happy with what heat range you have selected and you're happy not to worry about checking, then mark your name as confirmed. i just want everyone to be happy with their choice oh plugs.

if your engine is NA then 1 plug should be fine to check.

and the GB extension is until everyone confirms what they have ordered, so everyone dont forget to check and confirm

in terms of not being sure about going from BK to ZF, there is a way to be certain it will be fine. when you're taking the plug out to check it, make sure the engine is at TDC. measure the distance from the top of the piston to a point of your choosing. write the distance down. measure the length of the spark plug. minus that from the original distance. put the plug back in, then measure the distance from the top of the plug to your original top point and subtract that figure from the original figure. if you have more than 5mm left over, you'll be safe.

i will go and measure the sp20 engine shortly

[twilightprotege]

the sp20 has 11mm clearance from the bottom of the plug to the top of the piston. it is certainly safe to go with ZF's.

i would say most engines would be around that sort of clearance with the BK plugs (which are 76mm long).

[ezin]

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
4. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 5 ZF
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 5 ZF
11. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
13. chimpy - 4 x heat 5 ZF
14. coldie123 - 4 x heat 5 ZF
15. snert - 4 x heat 5 ZF

[twilightprotege]

thanks ezin.

btw, did you check what your plugs looked like? how were they compared to the pictures? (just outta curiosity)

[twilightprotege]

:!: :!: :!: reminder for all to confirm their order!

[Cloudland]

ugh i tried to figure things out today but it looks a bit complicated. :oops: it looks i have to unfastern a couple of screws to actually reach the plug wires, i'll check out the manual, but - is it safe to assume that heat range 6 would works fine with me?

[skippy]

Re the ignition leads mentioned earlier I am getting splitfire to make me a set, tis a good deal anyone want in, this is V6 only they already make the 4cyl ones.

Check out the thread below.

http://www.astinagt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52262#52262

[skippy]

Going to speak to my resident mechanic tonite, been away the bastard.

Just wondering how important would this be to check the Colour of the current Sparkies for the standard unmodded car as the manual says straight up V6 = heat 6 no ifs no buts,
I can understand as you do things like turbo, CAI, RRFPR, just about anything this would require checking but the run of the mill should be fine as they are stock the engine is stock the engine gets nothing but stock input,
If they start to go bad as I do further mods I have no way telling from my stock engine is that not true.

Not being picky just like to understand.

[chipa]

Mine appears to be close to an 11 so the 6 heat should be fine as I currently have the stock denso heat 5's.

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
4. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 5 ZF
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 5 ZF
11. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
13. chimpy - 4 x heat 5 ZF
14. coldie123 - 4 x heat 5 ZF
15. snert - 4 x heat 5 ZF

[twilightprotege]

cloud - yes heat 6 will be the safe option for you.

skippy - see above

chipa - if yours is close to an 11, then you should stick with heat 5. if you went heat 6 then your plug would look closer to a 5 or 6...just food for thought

[chipa]

chipa - if yours is close to an 11, then you should stick with heat 5. if you went heat 6 then your plug would look closer to a 5 or 6...just food for thought

I read it the other way around, that lower down the scale your plug is running colder than it should, i.e. you can safely go a hotter plug....

[Raven]

Yeah I pulled out my plugs today its a Denso looks good according to the chart.

so please CONFIM ME!

Thanks!

[silver6]

6 x Heat 6 for me thanks

[twilightprotege]

chipa - 5 is the hottest plug. the higher the number (well on NGK's heat chart) the colder the plug. so 5 is quite a hot plug.

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
4. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 5 ZF
11. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
13. chimpy - 4 x heat 5 ZF
14. coldie123 - 4 x heat 5 ZF
15. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
16. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed

snert, i've upgraded you to heat 6 as i'm sure you need it.

[chipa]

chipa - 5 is the hottest plug. the higher the number (well on NGK's heat chart) the colder the plug. so 5 is quite a hot plug.

doh! ok then.... well it was a toss up between 11 & 14... going from that I'd say sticking with the same temp would be the go. Does anyone know what temp the Denso KJ16CR11 is?? I haven't been able to find anything. :(

[chipa]

Ok, did a little bit more google'ing and it appears my current plug is in between NGK's 5 and 6. I'd rather they be a bit cold than too hot, so I'll stick with the heat 6...

[CHiMPY]

can you please take me off the list.

Had a slight change of plans with my car.

[twilightprotege]

denso 16 is like ngk 5

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
4. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 5 ZF
11. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 5 ZF
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed

[chipa]

I'll trust you over the website I found so stuff it. I'm going heat 5. final say full stop!! :)

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
4. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 5 ZF
11. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 5 ZF
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed

[Cloudland]

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
4. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
11. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 5 ZF
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed

[twilightprotege]

only a few more to confirm then this GB will be closed.

mizda, boosted, skippy, nalawa, mazdabator, chimpy and coldie pls confirm your order. ta!

[skippy]

Bloddy mechanic still away,

hmm um ahhh

yeah put me down as confirmed



Re ignition leads the Order for V6 Splitfire leads will be placed tomorrow at 1.00 pm check link for details http://www.astinagt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52332#52332

[nalawa]

Will do so hopefully tonight

Need to buy a new spark plug tool to get the plugs out. They sit to deep into the engine, so I'm visiting an ayutoshop near me tonight:-)

Chris

[twilightprotege]

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
4. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
11. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed

[silver6]

Can I change mine from ZF to BK

[twilightprotege]

you certainly can.

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
4. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
11. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed

[skippy]

In the immortal words of Silver6

Can I change mine from ZF to BK

Sorry about the reconfirmation,


and whats the dealy with payment?

EFT?

[twilightprotege]

yep will be via eft into my bank a/c or credit card to my paypal account (which will be + 4% (paypal fees) and in us dollars). when confirmation is received on the 4 we're waiting on, i'll start to collect payment. not really fair for everyone to start paying now when you could be waiting a while.

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
4. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF [/b[
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
[b]9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
11. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed

[Mizda_Mazda]

Sorry, i've been busy & yep. All things okay for me, I hope :P.

[nalawa]

Well it's pay day and I now own a nice new shiny long handled spark plug remover :D

Have checked all 4 plugs and they appear to be running OK, therefore I will stick with my original order of 4 x BKR5EIX-11, thanks!

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF
4. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
11. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed


Also found these two charts for interpreting NGK and Denso plugs:

http://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/pages/technical/ngkjpg.htm

http://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/pages/technical/densojpg.htm

Also Chipa the owners manual for the BA I have recommends the NGK heat 5 or the Denso heat 16

Chris

[twilightprotege]

oky doky -

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
4. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
11. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed

just waiting on boostedbatman and 323mazdabator. boys, you have pm!

[boostedbatman]

Pushy bugger now I'll just have to make you wait for confirmation more to the point I'll have to wait you know the deal

[platypus]

oky doky -

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda - 6 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
4. boosted - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
11. mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed

just waiting on boostedbatman and 323mazdabator. boys, you have pm!
16. AHB11m - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed!!

yes thats right i need some new plugs for my car!!! it hasn't been used in a while now!!!!

[Mizda_Mazda]

Just to confirm, lower number means higher heat range???

[platypus]

other way around - 7 heat will be better for a highly tuned/turbo application, for example, whereas mazda actually says 5/6 for most NA cars

umm and sorry if i'm gonna throw a spanner in the works here, but the 1.8 litre engine i think has a different thread, as my dads has ZF plugs

[Cloudland]

anyone will post a how-to for the replacement later? i'm afraid couple of things have to be taken care of, including a spark plug socket and carefully cleaning, de-electirc grease or whatever stuff.

i'm having a service next Jan at the dealer's place, maybe i can have them to replace the plugs, but i'd rather do it myself if it doesn't involve too much investment in new tools.

[skippy]

I seem to have been changed back to the ZF plugs,
I am after 6 X heat 6 BK

cheers,

[twilightprotege]

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda_mazda - 6 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
4. boostedbatman - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
0. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
11. 323_mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed
16. AHB11m - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed

mizda - you're right. the lower the number, the hotter the plug. 4 is the hottest plug i've ever heard of. you can then go up in to the teens for freezing plugs! 5 is a common heat range for standard cars. the new integra type-r's plugs have a heat range of 9!

ahb - see above. and the zf is the same thread as the bk. james, i also notice that ngk's site doesnt have a listing for your engine - can you double check that it's a BKR5E-11 or ZFR5F-11 ??? ta

all - boosted will be confirming what heat range he wants on saturday. as soon as i know the GB will close. mazdabator this means you need to let me know asap what you want!

after the GB closes i will post the usual EFT details for payment. payment will be due by 18 december (ie after friday night's eft run). the spark plug order will be placed on saturday the 18th.

i will have to be firm on this due date for payment due to previous GB payment issues : if payment not received by then, your order will be cancelled.

[skippy]

Thanks,

When do you think we would get them?

[twilightprotege]

should be in the 2nd week of jan. if it wasnt for xmas it would be the first (xmas increase in postage)

[Red Frog]

okay this is how it goes for a ford laser built after feb 1999 - this will relate to any 323 astina and 323 protege built after this date.

1.6L = ZFR5FIX-11 iridium plug
1.8L = BKR5EIX-11 iridium plug
2.0L = ZFR5FIX-11 iridium plug

and andy gave me last year a colder plug: the BKR6EIX-11.

[platypus]

Leigh, thats what my manual says....

and andy i wrote confirmed for a reason!!! :roll:

[nalawa]

Hey Twilight,

On a previous list you had me confirmed for the BKs however on the last list that had been changed to ZFs. No major drama but just for clarity (and my peace of mind) I would like to order the BKR5EIX-11s

Cheers mate

Chris

[twilightprotege]

doh!

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda_mazda - 6 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
4. boostedbatman - 6 x heat 6 ZF
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
0. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
11. 323_mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed
16. AHB11m - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed

[Mizda_Mazda]

I may have 1 extra buyer... He's after

6x Iridium Option BKR7EIX-11 1.0

Whats the details about payment???

[twilightprotege]

yep, payment info time!!!

Bank : Suncorp
BSB : 484 799
Account no : 47576838
Account name : Andrew Bode

please make your user name as the reference please and update this list when you have paid. remember, it's $10 per plug ($11 per plug for heat 7) and $9 for postage from america to me then you. so using mine as an example, i'd be paying $11 x 4 + $10 x 4 + 9 = $93

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
3. mizda_mazda - 6 x heat 5 ZF & 6 x BK heat 7 confirmed
4. boostedbatman - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
11. 323_mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK confirmed
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed
16. AHB11m - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed

MONEY DUE BY SATURDAY 18 DECEMBER. IF MONEY IS NOT RECEIVED BY THEN YOUR ORDER WILL BE CANCELLED

[twilightprotege]

forgot to add, if you want to pay me via credit card that's cool. payment is done via paypal. price needs to be +4% and whatever the conversion rate is on www.xe.com at the time of paying. so at the moment, 4 heat 6 plugs would cost $49aud + 4% = $50.96...convert to usd where the rate is 0.754478 = $38.45usd.

cloudland, yours will be +$5aud as well for postage to you in NZ.

[silver6]

Paid $69 via netbank

[Cloudland]

4 heat 6 plugs would cost $49aud + 4% = $50.96...convert to usd where the rate is 0.754478 = $38.45usd.
cloudland, yours will be +$5aud as well for postage to you in NZ.
just sent U US$44, with 0.754478 rate U'll have about US$1.5 to make up for paypal fees last time.

thanks!

[twilightprotege]

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
3. mizda_mazda - 6 x heat 5 ZF & 6 x BK heat 7 confirmed
4. boostedbatman - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (and thanks mate)
11. 323_mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK confirmed
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid
16. AHB11m - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed

keep 'em coming kiddies

[skippy]

Just transferred $69.

reference of "Skippy 6X6BK"

Westpactake 24 hours for first time transfers.
should be there tomorrow,


Thanks

[twilightprotege]

good good.

yeah EFT transfers from other banks is usually done over night if done before 4pm sydney time

[chipa]

The money should reach you tomorrow Andy...
thanks..

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
3. mizda_mazda - 6 x heat 5 ZF & 6 x BK heat 7 confirmed
4. boostedbatman - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (and thanks mate)
11. 323_mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK confirmed
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid
16. AHB11m - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed

[coldie123]

Just transferred $49 to you. Thanks!

[nalawa]

Hi Andrew,

Just EFT'd the money from my Credit Union account, should reach tomorrow or the day after.

Thanks for organising this mate, priced the plugs at the local auto shops and the cheapest I found was $18 per plug.

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
3. mizda_mazda - 6 x heat 5 ZF & 6 x BK heat 7 confirmed
4. boostedbatman - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed & paid
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (and thanks mate)
11. 323_mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK confirmed
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid
16. AHB11m - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed

Chris

[Mizda_Mazda]

is it still possible to add 2 more people???


I have 2 more people interested from the r31 forum. If not that's cool.

[platypus]

done, and done... and yes sir i will have them ZF's...

[twilightprotege]

mizda yes, so long as payment is in my account by saturday - just dont forget heat 7's and above is $11 each

and nalawa (and all)...$18 each!!!!! :shock:

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
3. mizda_mazda - 6 x heat 5 ZF & 6 x BK heat 7 confirmed
4. boostedbatman - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed & paid
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (and thanks mate)
11. 323_mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK confirmed
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid
16. AHB11m - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid

[platypus]

and nalawa (and all)...$18 each!!!!! :shock:

yeah mate, i paid $22 for my old ones aaaaages ago

best price i could find - that was before i discoverd.... dadadada THE USA!

[twilightprotege]

holy poop! $22ea!!!! ... there isnt many things on my car that wasnt purchased from america (or in japan)

[arden]

just transferred moolah

[Mizda_Mazda]

Okay

17. Kenstar - 6 x heat 7 BK

Oh yeh, does anybody know where there is a SunCorp bank in Canberra or do i have to transfer the money via internet???

[twilightprotege]

there is : Cnr Melrose Drive and Brewer Street, Woden 2606

[skippy]

Heard of a mates brother paying $28 pp,
into his V8, not a cheap venture.

[twilightprotege]

listy :

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
3. mizda_mazda - 6 x heat 5 ZF & 6 x BK heat 7 confirmed
4. boostedbatman - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
7. ezin - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed & paid
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
11. 323_mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK confirmed
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
16. AHB11m - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
17. Kenstar - 6 x heat 7 BK confirmed

[ezin]

Done, cheers twillight.

Um i was looking at the ngk listing site and it says the iridium option for mine is ZFR5FIX-11 and not ZFR#EIX-11 The difference between the E and the F plug im not sure about. I might change mine to heat range 5 if thats ok.
If ngk lists the hottest iridium plug as standard fittment im going to go with that, I thought u wanted a hotter plug as well to burn the rich mixture. But ngk say it wont change the mixtures

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/techinfo/spark_plugs/techtips.asp?nav=31000&country=US

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
3. mizda_mazda - 6 x heat 5 ZF & 6 x BK heat 7 confirmed
4. boostedbatman - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
7. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed & paid
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
11. 323_mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK confirmed
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
16. AHB11m - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
17. Kenstar - 6 x heat 7 BK confirmed

[323_mazdabator]

hey andy mum transfered the money about lunch time toady (15-12-2004)

[twilightprotege]

ezin - tis cool.

mazdabator - ta

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
3. mizda_mazda - 6 x heat 5 ZF & 6 x BK heat 7 confirmed
4. boostedbatman - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
7. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed & paid
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
11. 323_mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
16. AHB11m - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid
17. Kenstar - 6 x heat 7 BK confirmed

only a few more to go....and absolutely last chance to jump in!

[Mizda_Mazda]

How much would a 6 x BCPR5EIX-11, is it $10 per plug for this set???

[twilightprotege]

mizda - yep, $10 per plug

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
4. boostedbatman - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
11. 323_mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
16. AHB11m - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd - mofizzle)

7. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid
3. mizda_mazda - 6 x heat 5 ZF & 6 x BK heat 7 confirmed
17. Kenstar - 6 x heat 7 BK confirmed

dont worry you last 3, this isnt out of order or anything, just so i can track who's money i have received and havent.

[Mizda_Mazda]

K, i paid at suncorp, under the ref as MIZDA

[twilightprotege]

yep got $69 from you. what about the other guys?

[ezin]

the number on mine is 1888580 should be named ezin

[twilightprotege]

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
3. mizda_mazda - 6 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
4. boostedbatman - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
7. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
11. 323_mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
16. AHB11m - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd - mofizzle)


17. Kenstar - 6 x heat 7 BK confirmed ?????????????????? last day for mizda's friends and anyone else who wants in. remember, if money is not received by saturday (ie overnight tonight), then you'll miss out.

i have already placed the first part of the order.

[twilightprotege]

all ordered :D

1. twilightprotege - 4 x heat 7 BK, 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
2. chicaboo - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
3. mizda_mazda - 6 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
4. boostedbatman - 6 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
5. sabrelli - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
6. skippy - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
7. ezin - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
8. raven - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
9. nalawa - 4 x heat 5 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
10. cloudland - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
11. 323_mazdabator - 4 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
12. chipa - 4 x heat 5 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
13. coldie123 - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
14. snert - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd)
15. silver6 - 6 x heat 6 BK confirmed & paid (recd)
16. AHB11m - 4 x heat 6 ZF confirmed & paid (recd - mofizzle)

these are the people i need name's and addresses for. pls email your details to me at katsuro@tpg.com.au
mizda_mazda; skippy; raven; nalawa; coldie123; silver6.

[skippy]

I sent you my details but just wondering what size package should I be expecting?

And what sort of postage will you be using ie registered, standard snail or other?

I live in a unit and as such have a tiny mail box which could be a problem.

[twilightprotege]

i now have everyone's address details except for raven. thanks guys for being so quick!

in terms of package, it'll be sent express post and the package is the padded bags, size 1 or 2 (cant remember which one i use : http://www.auspost.com.au/BCP/0,1080,CH2154%257EMO19,00.html

[Raven]

Check your PM's I have sent it to you via that on here.

..Raven..

[twilightprotege]

yep got it.

everyone is set.....now time to play the waiting game!

[twilightprotege]

just an update.

i have received 1/3rd of the order thus far. hopefully the remainder this week.

[arden]

Good stuff group buy smurf!!!

[twilightprotege]

extra news.

i wondered why i only have 1 box so far...well...the company had to order in the goodies and that's the 2nd box was sent last week :(

but in the mean time i will send what i have out - too the people who paid first as a thank you.

but everyone else dont worry, you'll have yours soon enough

[platypus]

moshizzle my nizzle!!!!

well if you don't have them when you get down here, we will have to bottle ya :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Raven]

hey twilightprotege, check your PM. I am up in NSW.... anyways read the PM.

..Raven...

..On tour Melb to QLD.. and back... good car keep going...

[ezin]

Received my plugs today! cheers twilight.

[coldie123]

received mine too! thanks a lot for organising!
cheers,
coldie

[twilightprotege]

no problem guys.

hope the rest get here soon.

[chipa]

Got mine today... thanks Andy!

Anyone know what the gap should be set to?

[twilightprotege]

just put them straight in. they are pre-gapped.

[Cloudland]

ta da! got mine. thanks heaps. just in time for my scheduled service this Thursday, i'll have the dealer to do it - it looks i need a very deep socket or some sort.

click for a photo (http://www.cloudworld.net/temp/P1170244.jpg)

[twilightprotege]

yeah a pretty deep socket. you can buy specific spark plug sockets that have rubber inside them so when you unscrew the plug it pulls the plug out with it.


update - 2nd package arived today. will be posting the 2nd lot tomorrow. by the looks of it the last lot will arive this week or early next. for those who are coming to the newy cruise - would it be ok if i just bring them down with me? (ie arden, jimbob, skippy, whoever else ordered plugs and is coming on the cruise?)

[ezin]

They where exactly the same spec as the first iridiums that i put in, now 70k down the track i changed them and yes they needed changing, the gap had been eaten out to 1.25mm. I also put upper engine cleaner through the plug holes and let sit for an hour, and wow what a difference in response. Nice performance gain for little money.

[arden]

yeh just bring mine on cruise.

wots da average time it'll take to do this mod coz ive nfi with changin plugs!

[twilightprotege]

arden, i'll be kind and charge you $10 per hour. have the $100 bill ready for me.



5 minutes tops. hell i'll even bring tools!


and the 2nd package had all ZF plugs. sorry to guys who bought the BK's. they'll be here very soon.

[arden]

arden, i'll be kind and charge you $10 per hour. have the $100 bill ready for me.

5 minutes tops. hell i'll even bring tools!



hahaaa 10 hour job eh..
thats still under my header install!!!!

5 min tops, that equates to $0.83.!!!!
Bargain!!!!hahahhaa cool man!! :)

[chicaboo]

Wait to you see his call out fee! :wink:
It's all good, the boy needs to eat, AND DRINK! :P

[skippy]

Yeah on the cruise is fine.

[twilightprotege]

ok, ahb11m, sabrelli, skippy and boosted - you guys will get your plugs at the cruise next week.

mazdabator - what did you wanna do with yours mate? pick them up?

rest - should have theirs by tomorrow. last ones are posted today (got them yesterday)

[Mizda_Mazda]

Got mine, today, Thanks mate. :lol:

[nalawa]

Andrew,

Received my BKR's today (on the doorstep). Thanks very much for organising the GB and sending the sparkies to me. Now I need to buy a decent set of leads to match :-)

Christopher

[Cloudland]

anyone has put the new plugs on? my service is scheduled next week, not this week. :(

[chipa]

yep! no complaints here!

[twilightprotege]

i'm not going to put my new ones in until drag racing on the 12th of feb

[Cloudland]

hey just a quick question - i'm planning to install the plugs myself, dealer is booked out, service scheduled mid Feb - the question is, after the plug is screwed finger tight, should i continue 1/16 of a circle or 1/2~2/3?

on the package there is this illustration, with both 1/16 and 1/2~2/3 mentioned in step 2 and it's very vague i don't quite get it. thanks.

[twilightprotege]

according to the pics, 1/2-2/3, however i never do it up that tight. i'd only ever go 1/4

[platypus]

go a 1/3 - thats what i've always done, as tightening too much can lead to cracking of the ceramic core


reason i say 1/3 is because you normally overtighten the plugs when they are so deeply inset like on our cars, as the difference between tight and spinning is nothings, as your socket is jammed in the core hole

[platypus]

according to the pics, 1/2-2/3, however i never do it up that tight. i'd only ever go 1/4
haha morning - how'd you beat me there?

[Cloudland]

hey i put the plugs in today, it feels silky smooth! thanks twilight!

i tightened slightly more than 1/2 turn after finger tight. i still wonders if anti-seize grease and dielectric grease are necessary.

[boostedbatman]

He has some great Iideas from time to time. Has made my poor old tired engine feel almost normal, Still needs a swap for larger displacement though

[coldie123]

Quick question: How cold should the engine be when putting the plugs in? I was a bit impatient today and put them in when the engine was still slightly warm... the valve cover was cool enough to touch by hand, but the plugs were still quite hot.
I torqued the new plugs to 20 ft lbs, which was around 1/3 turn after hand tightening.
Is this is ok? Or should I retourqe them tomorrow morning?