Got the KL-ZE delivered yesterday

[boostedbatman]

i have managed to pick up a low k KL-ZE for the transplant to the new Batmobile soon and its a beauty.
John at Just Japanese parts at Mt Druitt was unable to tell me how many Ks the engine had done only that it was low K (they removed it from a front damaged JDM vehicle a while ago)
After inspection the engine had been cleaned up prior to delivery and its a shiny one
There is NO corrosion to the water fed parts and they still look like new. There is next to no signs of use to any of the pulleys. All of the electrical system looks next to new and the rubber hoses show no signs of age.
The sump has a few scratches to the paint but no dents or gouges
Everything seems to sparkle and I am stoked as this seems to be a much lower k version than I ever expected to get hold of.
P.S. the manifold runners are HUGE (external diameter 55mm to the48-50 on the KF-ZE) so a custom bonnet modification may be on the cards WOOT

I am happy for me :D

[Tublade]

sweet good to hear that you got your engine with low k's too, you gotta be lovin that.

[Cosmo Dude]

Well done and good luck on the conversion.

[spooky music] I see an XR8 bonnet skin in your near future :D [/spooky music]

[boostedbatman]

Well it is referred to as a "power bulge" so I had better back it up hey

[skippy]

I am turning a strange greenish colour,

Did you get engine only, engine + ecu etc or the full front cut?

I see you got it from Mt Druitt?? Are doing the work In Sydney? Go on say yes.

Show us a piccy of her when you can.

You HAVE to take a comparrison shot of the engine bay before and after I wanna see how much differnce. Should be stuff all,

Which is the heavier engine? Seriously?


Congrats dude, Jealous as.

Whats your schedule for getting this thing in?

I think thats enough q’s for now.

[twilightprotege]

awesome!

[Dogo]

congrats !

if you're not already, please take photos, start a journal etc.
The community will much appreciate it

[boostedbatman]

I will get Nate to start the photoshop today and I will be getting the Journal started asap.
Skip, I had it delivered to Brisbane, the KL is the heavier engine so the front suspension needs to be upgraded if you have a stock car for engineering approval.
I may be held up with the full iunstall as I am awaiting some info from America on certain "special" parts but I may start a thread as the time comes closer but atm it looks like around June for the full install.

[twilightprotege]

does that mean that now you're an unemployeed bum you'll really get into the work on the car?

[skippy]

I recall a guy had an um Power Bulge on his astina in that rotary triangle shape.
Looked pretty cool,

[tidy protege]

good stuff man im keen to see how this comes out, i remember you telling me about this when you were up for the Australia Day cruise, so im looking foward to see the car in the flesh next time you are up this way or vice versa :):):):):):):)

[ABC]

Very envious Bat-Boy. Make sure you keep us all up to date as we're all dying to see how it turns out.

[CRA23]

kewl, you said on the probetalk forum that the heads on the KF and KL are almost identincal, seenin that the runners are much larger wouldnt the heads be heaps bigger for the KL 2 then....

[boostedbatman]

Tim the heads supposedly are the same KL31-101, I have to admit that when I shoved my damn head in the engine bay of the astina (again) I thought that I saw something else so I will have to find that one out for you,I just need to get a mirror and a good light source but they do have rectangular ports. Only time will will tell

Nate says: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: ;) ;) ;) :D :D :D

im so green i think i have turned into a tree

[BigBoyLemonade]

Document the whole thing cause I want to this exact conversion in the near future!

[boostedbatman]

Not a problem Tony I will do my best bit of publishing
Tim lets just confuse the whole thing even further...
Left bank= K8 1A1
Right bank= K8 101
So much for trusting what I've been told by those in the know before, maybe the port sizes are different on the heads. Nate will post some pics up soon

[boostedbatman]

does that mean that now you're an unemployeed bum you'll really get into the work on the car?
Now that I will be able to spend the time on the thing the $$$ arent flowing as free so there is a small dent in the plan but its only money so I will find a way

[chicaboo]

Hey Pete, let me know when you need me to fix up the crank sensor plate with your machinist. I don't know how much time I can put in otherwise helping out with the labour, since Andrew and I are going to start on our manifolds first chance we get after I get all my current car **** out of the way...

Gav.

[boostedbatman]

Gav I will be extracting the standard Crank sensor off the engine shortly so we can check against the stock sensor plate to ensure that the pints are in the orrect place and the standard one DOES have the divots halfway between each point

[chicaboo]

OK. Cos that was the only thing stopping me from finishing the lighter design at this stage... I might need to see the stock sensor plate for measuring if it's different enough from the last one?

[Nate]

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL389/1872888/7100208/92117310.jpg

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL389/1872888/7100208/92117316.jpg

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL389/1872888/7100208/92117233.jpg

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL389/1872888/7100208/92117372.jpg

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL389/1872888/7100208/92117364.jpg

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL389/1872888/7100208/92117239.jpg

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL389/1872888/7100208/92117240.jpg

http://www.PictureTrail.com/gid7100208

[twilightprotege]

not really sure what you're doing to the doggie there mate. you're smiling, the dog has it's tongue out... ;)

[chicaboo]

Why was Pete looking under the commonwhore?

[twilightprotege]

i think he's looking for the distributor

[mrpayner]

I love the intricate panel work on the commodore too.. very stylish. :p

AP

[CRA23]

ahh its got the curved intake runners, that engine came from eunos 800 :) did it come with an air flow meter?? cos from this (http://www.geocities.com/viv95pgt/klze.html) site it says the KL's with a curved neck uses a MAF not a VAF, but i dont know which is better

[BigBoyLemonade]

Must be the 2.5L engine out of a Jap spec Eunos 800. Not the 800M

Interesting find!

[Nate]

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL389/1872888/7100208/92117341.jpg

My fav pic ^^^

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL389/1872888/7100208/92117244.jpg

"Now if i can just get this untangled we can get moving with the hangings"

[Cosmo Dude]

Does anyone have a shot of the KF from an identical angle as this?
In car is OK

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL389/1872888/7100208/92117310.jpg

[boostedbatman]

Why was Pete looking under the commonwhore?
Just to stipulate the queries, I dont hold any responsibility for the Dunnydoor, that pic was taken just after the car slipped off my mates mounting point even when I screamed for him to get his damn head out from under the bloody thing. Dam olden drivers cant even jack a car right .
He busted a rubber exhaust mount for those who give a damn...........
My fav pic ^^^
Thats a cool piccy Natester
"Now if i can just get this untangled we can get moving with the hangings"thats the pic as proof that it takes 3 blokes 30 mins to figure out how to get the stupid thing to work, damn fools :D
ahh its got the curved intake runners, that engine came from eunos 800 did it come with an air flow meter?? cos from this (http://www.geocities.com/viv95pgt/klze.html) site it says the KL's with a curved neck uses a MAF not a VAF, but i dont know which is better
I have heard that the MAF is the best one to have but I have no knowledge on the topic. I am more than happy with the curved intake over the square as it seems like it has a much greater flow potential than the square (thats my visual assumption)
I too figure it was out of the Jap spec Eunos 800/Mazda Millenia which explains why it appears to be so young...pre 20-30k at my best guess. So I am a happy little vegemite.
Does anyone have a shot of the KF from an identical angle as this?
In car is OK
I will be taking pics of the KF when it comes out but for now I dont think I can track down any pics of one from that angle.
That pic is definately not possible from in car ther is about 3 inches of room less the Power Steering hoses and engine mount
Mr MX6 has a spare KF-ZE at home you may be able to swing him a line and he may be able to sort a photo out for you.

[twilightprotege]

i'll have to come over and have a lookie at the engine while it's still outta the car....also pre-bat-enhanced

[boostedbatman]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D :D :D its a strange thing you should say that..............

[boostedbatman]

Hello Kurt de pappa snert!!!
*waves at you*

[twilightprotege]

strange i should say that?? are you suggesting that i help you with something???

i think i'll be right to hold the beer for you while you work. will be glad to help :D

[boostedbatman]

Hurry up with your Intake manifold will you.........I wonder where I am going with this

[twilightprotege]

hahahahahaha.

i'm waiting for chic to sell his car

[chicaboo]

I'm placing an add on the net tonight... Carsales.com.au might do?
Argh ****, I need to get a farken Safety Certificate for it now too...

[Mr MX6]

The heads are different from the kf-kl.. but only internally.. (looks the same) you can swap the damaged oil pan for your KFZE one.. (or just bash it out)and lastly you will have no hood clearance problems..
And the maf/vaf is only relevant to the ecu that you use not the motor. .What are yo doing about the ecu/loom?

And I don’t want to rain on your parade.. but you had better check the numbers . .as the eunos 800 can have a ½ & ½ sort of ZE..
make sure the ...
1) HEADS: One should read KL31-101 and the other KL31-1A1
4) CAMS: Should read KL-31
5) PISTONS: Pull a spark plug and shine a light down in there to see the top of the piston.


And who wants a pic of what ?

[Cosmo Dude]

I was looking at the nose on view of the KL-ZE and the inlet manifold didn't look too tall. From what I'd heard the Mx-6 KL-ZE manifold would foul the hood but as this is a Eunos engine it looked like it may just fit.

Tim lets just confuse the whole thing even further...
Left bank= K8 1A1
Right bank= K8 101
That's interesting :confused:

[Nate]

5) PISTONS: Pull a spark plug and shine a light down in there to see the top of the piston.

pull out a plug??? he is lucky the heads are still attached ... :eek: :eek: :D

[Cosmo Dude]

pull out a plug??? he is lucky the heads are still attached ... :eek: :eek: :D
Someone confiscate the bat spanners quick ;)

[boostedbatman]

pull out a plug??? he is lucky the heads are still attached ... Someone confiscate the bat spanners quick ;)
What are you all saying, I havent pulled it apart completely, the heads are still attached to the block. Only as I dont have an engine stand or they would be off too.
Come on guys I have been bored, I dont start the new job till Tuesday so whats a guy gonna do............
I tend toi look at things from a positive point of view and with that at least I can replace all the gaskets and know that they arent a weak point....Yeah thats wahat I am going to tell them
I promise to bolt it all together again, honestly

Seriously now for a minute folks, I was thinking of a rebuild section for my doco which shows all the different parts (with part numbers) both off and on the car. So that the engine from now on will be void of mystery and hopefully manages to answer some of the questions about the KL series engine so that we all are a bit more learned from this day forward

[Mr MX6]

don’t just pull the heads of for fun mate.. you have to replace the head bolts and obviously the head gaskets if you do and they aren’t cheep.. and that motor look quite young.... but yea swap the water pump and headcover gaskets, belt.. etc that is a given..

you know the Mazda millennia has the same intake shape (square ports) for the intake gaskets .. unless you just silicone them up..



Oh yea and both curved and normal manifolds will clear the hood on a hard top astina
but again look @ the numbers & make sure it has forgies or all this will be a waste of your time..

[boostedbatman]

don’t just pull the heads of for fun mate.. you have to replace the head bolts and obviously the head gaskets if you do and they aren’t cheep.. and that motor look quite young.... but yea swap the water pump and headcover gaskets, belt.. etc that is a given..

you know the Mazda millennia has the same intake shape (square ports) for the intake gaskets .. unless you just silicone them up..



Oh yea and both curved and normal manifolds will clear the hood on a hard top astina
but again look @ the numbers & make sure it has forgies or all this will be a waste of your time..
I am only pulling the heads to gain access to the combustion chamber as when the engine was tipped during transportation 3 sparkplug recesses got oil in them and when I pulled the plugs out I discovered this problem and now I have oil on the piston tops and I need to get in to clean it all out, it also lets me find out what condition the cylinder bores are in to give me a good indication of the health of the rings. It pays to play it safe to eliminate any future worries/hassles.
My mechanic has no hassles in picking up the Square port gaskets for this engine which is good as I dont want to undergo any half cocked silicone she'll be right fix up procedure. If I cant get the right gaskets etc I will find them
I have picked up a Davies Craig EWP and EWP controller and I am cutting the front off an old WP with a busted bearing and removing the impeller and welding a piece of aluminium to the cut off section, so not to impede the flow potential.

[skippy]

yeah don't take anything apart just do to this,
But a piccy of each KF part and the KL part would be great


Maybe have little cards drawn up so can put them in the back ground and save staring at two photos you took a week ago of used gaskets or something wondering which was KL which was KF.

[boostedbatman]

I will be starting a list of part codes/ numbers between the 2 different engines along with accompanying shot of the part and the fitment. This will be a fully detailed doco which should leave no stone unturned. The only problem will be the fact that I wont be pulling the KF apart. And all of the parts compared will unfortunately be ZE parts so I will list the DE equivalent where I have the info available. If anyone has any other ideas for this doco please forward the interest and I will see what I can do about it

[Cosmo Dude]

The oil on the pistons will burn off realy quickly and judging by the rest of the motor I'd gamble that the bores are in good shape. Alloy engines are very easy to warp if you don't take extreme care when removing heads.

[skippy]

I can do KF Aus Spec pics if you wish,

But remember I am as handy as a blind mans light switch.

[CRA23]

mrmx6: are the internals on the KFze the same size as the us spec KL03? eg same hla's and valve spring and all that?? cos i know that the KL03 and the KLze are different sizes. this is so i can use aftermarket valvetrain from the us for the us spec KL.

pete: are your goin to pull the Kf apart much??

and i know why the front and back heads have diff codes is because on the KLZe the intake side of things are just a touch bigger than the exhaust

Thx Tim

[boostedbatman]

Tim
Here is some KL specs for the HLAs
KL03 HLA size (same for intake and exhaust)
Overall Diameter- 1.180" or 29.97mm (this is the 30mm HLA)
Diameter at Oil Relief- 1.119" or 28.42mm
Oil Relief Depth- 0.030" or 0.77mm
Overall Height- 0.948" or 24.08mm

KLZE HLA size (intake, exhaust is the same as KL03 sizes above)
Overall Diameter- 1.298" or 32.96mm (this is the 33mm HLA)
Diameter at Oil Relief- 1.235" or 31.37mm
Oil Relief Depth- 0.031" or 0.80mm
Overall Height- 1.021" or 25.93mm
Here is a thread at mx-3.com with information aimed more at the KF-ZE (http://www.mx-3.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=25421&highlight=hla+sizes) its a bit blah blah but you have quite a few pages to extract the info from so tie some string to your toe and dive right in

I will be doing a full inspection on the KF-ZE when its out of the car but am unsure how far I will take the repair route, only time will tell but with new head gaskets last year and new IM gasket, valve cover gaskets, timing belt and tensioner,cam seals and other parts replaced at the end of last year I dont feel that I will wish to start tugging at it. Although I may end up replacing bad HLAs but the rings will be staying and I am unsure of the condition of the valve seals.
Who Knows

[Mr MX6]

I seriously wouldn’t worry about a bit of oil in the combustion chamber mate.. if it isn’t broke don’t fix it… Probably the oil came from the good old valve cover lek the k series is famous for…
I
As to the insides of a KFZE I have no clue all I have ever done on a kf is pull the underpowered boat anchor out.. .

And sure use the factory gaskets. .but don’t knock silicone .. you get some fantastic ones nowadays.. infact could be argued better than the rubber gaskets.
One other thing about silicone .. use it on the valve cover gaskets on the corners and the curved sections.. Mazda does from the factory..

[skippy]

Whats the ECU plans?

[twilightprotege]

microtech lt-12s - see the eoi thread in the performance section

[CRA23]

pete when u pull the engine out you dont have to do anything to it, when i get it am goin to fully strip it, take the heads off get them ported and polished.

if the inside of the kfze is the same size of the kl03 i will get the valves and springs from the US and i want to knock the compression up to so new pistons my be in order so all that stuff will be replaced as well....

[boostedbatman]

Alrighty Tim I shall leave that in your hands

[chicaboo]

I can't wait to the old bat KFZE turned into a fire breathing beast in Tim's gay auto. He was telling me about his plans on the last cruise and it sounds like it's gonna be nicely done methinks.