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jeroentje.nl
27-08-2002, 09:50 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Hi guy's

Is here anybody who has swapped the engine to a 2.5l V6 jp spec (200hp) ??
Or thinks about it.

sorry my english is not that good.

I'm from The Netherlands where upgrade products are hard to find.[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
27-08-2002, 10:21 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]No have only seen it done with the Eunos 30x's.
Search some of the american pages where it seems
a common swap.

Regards

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

Dogo
27-08-2002, 06:04 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Hi,

I havnt done it, but I definitely want to. I havnt looked into it tooo much yet. From what I understand, the 2.5 v6 engine is very much like the stock 2l v6 engine, and so Im hoping that the swap would be 'relatively' easy into a v6 astina.

Dave[/color:post_uid0]

Chronos
18-09-2002, 06:14 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]I'm interested in this too... any idea how much one of these engines costs? what about labour to fir it?[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
19-09-2002, 10:50 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]Call ichiban out at morebank or jap imports for a price on
the 2.5 which is the MX6 motor isn't it. A basic remove
replace of a motor will cost about $500 if you don't need
other parts or if you want to do it yourself about $100
hire for a engine hoist and a weekend of labour by you.
I would recomend buying the matching ECU and engine
mounts when you buy the motor as the 2.5 would have
larger injectors. Best thing is to look at the US sites and
see if you can work out a parts list.

Regards

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

BigBoyLemonade
20-09-2002, 07:43 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]My friend who works for ford said that the 2.5litre is too big to fit in the astina engine bay, the 2.5 MX6 motor is the same as the 2.5 Probe and the laser is the same as the astina so Im guessing he would be right[/color:post_uid0]

EZZY
20-09-2002, 08:10 PM
[color=#FF7F00:post_uid0]tony,
how are you going with your conversion?
i am de-turbocharging my mazda at the moment.

in regarding to the size of the engines for the astina, it all depending how much time and money you want to spend.
my mechanic has a spare rb26 and was very interested in squeezing that thing into my tiny mazda engine bay.[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
20-09-2002, 09:24 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]I wouldn't have thought there was much diff between a
Eunos 30x engine bay and a Astina bay and they have
made them fit into the Eunos.
Needs a lot of research by the sounds of it.[/color:post_uid1]

BigMal
20-09-2002, 09:28 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]Eric,
You keep on throwing up suggestions about using North/South
engines which would require a tunnel to be made into your
Astina. Is you guy able to do this sort of work. If so I
would be interested in know what sort of ballpark we are
talking about to enlarge the front tunnel to fit a 4WD
transmission.

Ta

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

jeroentje.nl
26-09-2002, 05:38 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Oh the conversion is next year.
First a new exaust. Then a rear skirt(pakfeifer) Spoiler (carmate) and front bumber(carmate).

I was wondering....in the mx-3 fits a 2.5l so that almost the same as a astina ?![/color:post_uid0]

EZZY
26-09-2002, 08:23 PM
[color=#FF7F00:post_uid0]mal,
it will be somewhere around $10k mark for the conversion not inc. the engine.[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
26-09-2002, 09:12 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]Is that for your conversion or what I was talking about
in bolting a 4wd transmission to my BP in a E/W direction.

Ta

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

PinkMX-3
24-11-2002, 03:32 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]I put a Japanese KLZE 2.5L V6 into my Mazda MX-3. Easy as pie. All stock mounts/tranny/crossmembers/etc. You'll most likely have to use your stock exhaust manifolds, and intake manifold [might be able to fit one from a japanese 2.5L millenia]. 200hp and 175 ft/lbs is a whole lot of fun :)[/color:post_uid0]

PinkMX-3
24-11-2002, 03:33 AM
[quote:post_uid0="Lantis"][color=#000000:post_uid0]My friend who works for ford said that the 2.5litre is too big to fit in the astina engine bay, the 2.5 MX6 motor is the same as the 2.5 Probe and the laser is the same as the astina so Im guessing he would be right[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Your friend is dead wrong.[/color:post_uid0]

PinkMX-3
24-11-2002, 03:34 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]The KLZE/KLDE is externally identical to the KFZE 2.0L ya'll have. No size difference. 0mm. nada. zip. The only difference is the bore and stroke, which is inside. That's the beauty of it...nobody knows its a 2.5L except you :)[/color:post_uid0]

Sandyman
24-11-2002, 04:53 AM
[color=#FF0000:post_uid0]ahhhhh.... don't that jsut make u go :D
tryna talk my dad into it. love to race some mates when i get my P's, especially since they'll just think its a povass little 1.8 litre....
Think they might get the message that Astinas are not to be f***ed with? :p[/color:post_uid0]

BigBoyLemonade
24-11-2002, 06:32 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]well there you go... stand corrected...[/color:post_uid0]

Mr MX6
25-11-2002, 01:42 PM
[quote:post_uid0="PinkMX-3"][color=#000000:post_uid0]The KLZE/KLDE is externally identical to the KFZE 2.0L ya'll have. *No size difference. *0mm. *nada. *zip. *The only difference is the bore and stroke, which is inside. *That's the beauty of it...nobody knows its a 2.5L except you :)[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]The block and head etc is the same …
But the exhaust and inlet manifold is quite different…
I don’t know if the KLO3 or KLZE inlet manifold will clear the hood on a lantis or astina/323 .
The KLO3 ~ 170 Hp and has lower compression so it is better suited to turbo and Nitro applications..
But if you are after just N/A performance you cant go past the KLZE @ ~ 200 Hp..
But I would not assume ether would fit I would have a good measure of the clearance at the top of the motor B4 you rip out your old motor..[/color:post_uid0]

MrShadow
25-11-2002, 08:39 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0]tryna talk my dad into it. love to race some mates when i get my P's, especially since they'll just think its a povass little 1.8 litre....
Think they might get the message that Astinas are not to be f***ed with? [/quote:post_uid0]

Now that's what I love about the Astinas. Eveybody thinks they're either stock standard family cars, or "riced" up PoS's. Then you drop the clutch, hear that lovely whine and leave em in your dust - mmmm, turbo. Gonna have to wait till I'm 25 and have lots more money :angry:[/color:post_uid0]

Sandyman
26-11-2002, 03:10 AM
[color=#FF0000:post_uid14]yeah, beuty of a car. 2 bad i'm 15 :([/color:post_uid14]

MrShadow
26-11-2002, 03:14 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0]2 bad i'm 15 [/quote:post_uid0]

Well, even when you're 22 it's still no easier. Gotta wait till you're 25 and win the lotto, or, if you have rich folks, you don't have to wait at all.[/color:post_uid0]

Sandyman
26-11-2002, 06:42 AM
[color=#FF0000:post_uid0]yeah, true. cept for the lotto bit, in which u might get a car that is a little more classy/powerful (even though astinas are extremely good), and a nice house maybe.[/color:post_uid0]

MrShadow
26-11-2002, 08:24 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]I'd still do up the Astina (my 96 model that is), but I'd also get a new, FULLY optioned Mazda 6. Then, I'd be a very happy chappy! Oh, and mabey a sh!tbox old 4x4 for some bush basin'.[/color:post_uid0]

Sandyman
27-11-2002, 06:51 AM
[color=#FF0000:post_uid0]might get an old HUMVEE... got a mate who can get me some "equipment" if i pay him(plus commision) for it, so then i could go hunting[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
27-11-2002, 09:15 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]I want something big, load and full of Go.. Just like me :)[/color:post_uid1]

BigMal
27-11-2002, 09:18 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]Bugger meant loud not load. Brain problems, keys aren't
close together :(

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

O-LYM-PIC
27-11-2002, 09:33 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]when i get the money (and hit 25) the lil sp's goin. however im stayin in the mazda stable, but going rotor powered. a nice done over series 6 rx7, and maybe an older series 2 or 3 for racing- the full 20B rotor power, with all the straight line wizardry, or something crazy like that.
ohhh so sweet
:D[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
27-11-2002, 09:42 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]I would love a series 6 with 19"s and lowered.
Keep my Astina for daily driving. Would be great.[/color:post_uid1]

O-LYM-PIC
27-11-2002, 09:44 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]nah, if were takin dreams now, why not just squeeze a pair of 20s under the arches!! blood red + huge cromes + a nice single turbo conversion = amazin rx7!!!![/color:post_uid0]

MrShadow
27-11-2002, 08:43 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0]might get an old HUMVEE[/quote:post_uid0]

Yep, you're right. First gen Hummer, with the optional armour plate. I can't believe they actually sold that as an option, or was the reviewer having us all on?

And, depending on how big the lotto win was, I would also get a rotor, mabey the new RX-8 as well as doing up the 323 (Astinas just kick arse) and the 6[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
27-11-2002, 10:06 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]I like the RX-8 but not as much as the 7. I like turbo !!
Change the sequentials to a Series5 single, wind up the boost
and you got a rocket. Agree maybe 20's now. Maybe go
the blue thats close to Noble Green have a theme going.
Dark with chrome wheels, maybe even go the same as the
Astina. Stop it guys. I know the Credit Union would approve
the loan, so don't be putting ideas in my head. I got no
willpower to say no. Just like drinking :(

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

MrShadow
27-11-2002, 10:14 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Sorry Mal, but didn't you know I own shares in your Credit Union?? :p

[quote:post_uid0]I like the RX-8 but not as much as the 7. I like turbo !!
[/quote:post_uid0]

Doesn't the RX-8 have a turbo as standard? That's bit f%^ken rich[/color:post_uid0]

Rupewrecht
27-11-2002, 10:24 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]nah, RX-8 is NA powered, but makes the same as the sequential RX-7

we might see a renesis (rx-8 engine) thats turboed in the future...but not soon[/color:post_uid0]

MrShadow
27-11-2002, 10:28 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Bummer, still, if it makes the same as a turbo RX-7, imagine what it can do with a decent turbo setup. Being a later engine with new technology, you'd want it to be making more power than previous versions, either that or producing the same amount but with less fuel consumption.[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
27-11-2002, 10:33 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]Unless I have got my wires crossed the new RX-8 is NA.
Has very similar output to the turbo through some
innovative design but still NA so will take more effort to
increase the output above that.

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

IZG-00D
28-11-2002, 12:08 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Manual develops 184KW @ 8500rpm with 216Nm torque (not alot of pulling power but very impressive for a N/A engine).
two rotors 1.3 litres non turbo, DAMN.
it was clock at 60kmph in first gear 9000rpm, 105kmph in second and 160kmph in third.
0-100 in 6.0secs.[/color:post_uid0]

Trav
28-11-2002, 12:49 AM
[color=#3A6EA5:post_uid0]Talking about the lotto - I won last week. Ye ha! $32 whole dollars. Lets me think about that house and car once more...Maybe if I invest wisely....[/color:post_uid0]

EZZY
28-11-2002, 12:57 AM
[quote:post_uid0="IZG-00D"][color=#000000:post_uid0]Manual develops 184KW @ 8500rpm with 216Nm torque (not alot of pulling power but very impressive for a N/A engine).
two rotors 1.3 litres non turbo, DAMN.
it was clock at 60kmph in first gear 9000rpm, 105kmph in second and 160kmph in third.
0-100 in 6.0secs.[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000080:post_uid0]wonder what my push bike is capable of......... :p[/color:post_uid0]

Sandyman
28-11-2002, 04:04 AM
[color=#FF0000:post_uid14]don't spend it all in one place trav :p[/color:post_uid14]

Toyboy
28-11-2002, 06:04 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid2][b:post_uid2]IZG-00D WROTE[/b:post_uid2]

[quote:post_uid2]it was clock at 60kmph in first gear 9000rpm, 105kmph in second and 160kmph in third.
0-100 in 6.0secs.[/quote:post_uid2]

I can get that outta my Astina,nothing special bout that :p[/color:post_uid2]

O-LYM-PIC
28-11-2002, 07:12 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]the rx8 looks beautiful with its evil styling, but it doesnt have the classic touch of the rx7. however i do like the 'suicide' doors that open backwards, and the fact it has a back seat.
but give me the choice and the rx7, especially series 6, wins over any other car on the road.[/color:post_uid0]

bRaDiNhO
28-11-2002, 08:33 AM
[color=#FF0000:post_uid0]I was reading somewhere that Mazda is still developing a new RX7. It will have turbo rotor, and will break the 206kw limit. Although that wont be first, coz Subaru is about to with the B4 STi. think the figure was about 250kw. They showed off a concept about 4 years ago that had a front similar to the RX8, but was a proper coupe.[/color:post_uid0]

O-LYM-PIC
28-11-2002, 09:54 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]yeah i seem to remember that, but i think they ditched the idea and brought in the rx8 to totally replace the rx7 series.[/color:post_uid0]

MrShadow
28-11-2002, 08:49 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0]yeah i seem to remember that, but i think they ditched the idea and brought in the rx8 to totally replace the rx7 series.[/quote:post_uid0]

To the best of my (limited) knowledge, that is correct. When we were buying the beast, I was reading the articles the dealer had up on the walls, and it mentioned the new RX8 and how it was replacing the RX7 totally. They WERE supposed to bringing out a couple of version of the RX8 (eg one with only 2 seats, one with 5 etc).[/color:post_uid0]

Sandyman
29-11-2002, 02:36 AM
[color=#FF0000:post_uid12]they allready made the last rx7. it had 206 kw wiv turbo and was only available in japan. they were gonna have more power, but the emmission standards thingo screwed it around.
great car though[/color:post_uid12]

EZZY
29-11-2002, 03:16 AM
[color=#000080:post_uid0]im pretty sure that the jap goverment has put a limitation of the power output to a max. of 206kw on all performance cars.

but on the other hand, i think the new nsx has more than 206kw?!?! ??? ??? ???[/color:post_uid0]

O-LYM-PIC
29-11-2002, 03:20 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]nah i think that max power output limit was a 'gentelmans' agreement between the major car manufactures. i dont think its anytype of actual law.[/color:post_uid0]

bRaDiNhO
30-11-2002, 05:03 AM
[color=#FF0000:post_uid0]yea, it was a gentlemans agreement, ie not legally binding. But now japs are feeling the pressure against rising output of the Euros, Yanks, Aussies, everyone!
As i said, new B4 STi will have more than 206kw, think it was about 220kw. GTR, NSX, STi specials, EVO lancers have all had more than 206kw for a while, just no one wants to break the agreement and so lists power at 206kw.

I read about this RX7 about a week ago in a Euro mag, ill search and see if i can find it again, but i got about 10 from the Birmingham motor show! Everyone always makes the 'last' something, then its there again not too long later! :)[/color:post_uid0]

Sandyman
01-12-2002, 04:51 AM
[color=#FF0000:post_uid0]good point. i thought about that after my last comment.[/color:post_uid0]