F_ _k_n pigs - Defects

[TURBO MAZDA]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Well was having a great weekend until I got pulled over by the cops on Sunday night, They made me get the car inspected by an RTA inspecter. The pricks gave me 4 defects , Not enginered for the turbo conversion, wheels & tyers to big, to low and a little crack in the windsheld, The pricks weren't going to let me drive the car away, they yellow labeled me, they gave me 1 hour to get home. Now I have 21 days to fix it and get the thing re-inspected but i can't drive the Car "How Can I fix it With out driving it to get fixed!!!!" And to top it of he gave me a nice fine to go with it.

Bluddy jealous bustards !!!![/color:post_uid0]

[EZZY]

[color=#000080:post_uid0]chris, sorry to hear tmate!
anyway, yes, you can drive your car to get fixed...in a way.

when you need to get stuff done to clear the defect, you need to write on a piece of paper, stating from what location you are driving your car and to what places, and to get what things done for the defect. its best to contact the owner of say.... the windscreen place and book yourself in, so they have the record, and put that on the paper. sign it and leave in the glove box. just in case you got pulled over, so you can show that to the cops, in front of them.
DONT EVER use those "traffic" plates anymore.

good luck with it. like i said to you earlier, get your car engineered if you are going to keep it. :)[/color:post_uid0]

[TURBO MAZDA]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Yeah thanks eric

The car is getting looked at by my enginer this week, hopefully I can get it enginered with out having to take many mods of it.[/color:post_uid0]

[Rupewrecht]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]i can't remember if you've got a GTX or the standard engine turboed, but tell them that your engine is from an australian-delivered TX3 turbo and it should be a little easier to get engineered :)[/color:post_uid0]

[EZZY]

[color=#000080:post_uid0]it doesnt make any difference Dan.
it all depends on the year of the chassis of the car.
as long as the emissions meets the ADR.[/color:post_uid0]

[IZG-00D]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]eric... i got told that in some later future, RTA inspections or the police will reject any engineered certificate. so overall later, enginered cert won't matter. if it's not stock, then your in trouble.
apperantly, australia is going to be very strict on car mod, specially pollution (noise, exhaust fumes).[/color:post_uid0]

[BigBoyLemonade]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]hey everybody... learn what is illegal and legal on your car... the rta inspectors and cops will defect your car in anyway but if you present yourself in a way that you know the law they go easier on you.

For eg. Testing the exhaust. they have to stand at least 1.5 metres back and you only have to rev your car to 4000rpm. Some cops will jam the dB meter up the exhaust and tell your car is illegal... I have avoided many defects by knowing the law... They get caught off guard if you know the law better than them.

With defects... its a part of life if you have a car...

Engineering certificates are valid but as long as the modification adhears to the Australian Design Rules (ADR). If they dont the engineering certificate is invalid with the RTA.[/color:post_uid0]

[MrShadow]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Well that's a f$%^en rort. As long as it meets EPA requirements, what's the problem? I think they just don't want us to have fun. :angry: :angry: :angry:[/color:post_uid0]

[bRaDiNhO]

[color=#FF0000:post_uid0]I know a cop and was talking to him about defects. He said that he and his mates usually wouldnt bother checking out a car if the driver was alright to them - not being a smartass etc. If they were, they would pick up on every little thing and canary the car.[/color:post_uid0]

[TURBO MAZDA]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Being a smart ass, I didn't say a thing or do a thing, I was at the lights waiting to turn when this cop sees me turns where i was at the lights then chucks a u_turn behind me, then I didn't even drive 20 meters befor he pulled me over.

Straight away he asks for my license and then comes back with this green paper saying that i have 15 mins to get to the rta inspection bay or a $2000 fine with out even looking at my car.[/color:post_uid0]

[bRaDiNhO]

[color=#FF0000:post_uid0]Sorry mate, wasnt referring to u in particular. Just a general statement.

Thats a pretty bad story tho, what did he defect for? I thought they had to actually do the defects themselves, not just send to RTA!?

I was with a mate one night in his 4AGZE Rolla when the cops pulled him up for a check. Saw the intercooler and said "its turboed", even though it has "supercharged" written across the motor! Anyway, cop got a bit embarrassed and left. :) Dont know what the point of that story was, it just came to mind!

Brad[/color:post_uid0]

[..::TalenT::..]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]hey thats pretty funny that story, i dont understand why they have to defect so many cars and when you see the cars pulled over its always a sharp modded car not a rusty XF wagon, as if thats not descriminatin. My cuz is a highway patrol cop n he does defects, i didnt really get to ask him much about it all but when he said he does em i called him a pr**k ... :p i spose if a car is dangerous then it deserves to get defected but seriously half tha defects are b***s**t, like what Rupewrecht said about the lack of the "H" pattern on a gear knob, if you have to look at that when you change gears to know where the gears are then you seriously shouldnt be driving...

anyways i hope none of yous get pulled over and ill catch yous all later ! peace :D[/color:post_uid0]

[Rupewrecht]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]but after driving a VW Polo (with the worst clutch EVER) today i can understand the need for the H pattern thing. considering reverse is push down on the gear lever, then move the gear lever to the left and up![/color:post_uid0]

[EZZY]

[color=#000080:post_uid0]same with all audi cars... :([/color:post_uid0]

[Rupewrecht]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]probably a european (or at least a VW/Audi) thing...but the Beetle is push-down and left-and-down. but then again it's 40 years older than the Polo :D[/color:post_uid0]

[..::TalenT::..]

[color=#000000:post_uid2]yeh and tha mercedes kompressors have that push and left-down thing goin on with their 6 speed :D and also my mates daewoo has that thing goin on aswell...

does anyone know of any other little things that people have been defected for?

are ram pod filters legal? i would like to know some things that are defectable so i make sure they dont happen to me or my friends ... later Adam :)[/color:post_uid2]

[EZZY]

[quote:post_uid0="rupewrecht"][color=#000000:post_uid0]probably a european (or at least a VW/Audi) thing...but the Beetle is push-down and left-and-down. but then again it's 40 years older than the Polo *:D[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000080:post_uid0]and dan, how many time have you done the "wiper/indicator" thing with your vw?
it takes a little while toi get used to.yes, with the daewoo, you need to pull a little thing on the knob up nd then push the whole thing down...... weird[/color:post_uid0]

[Rupewrecht]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]hah yeah i do that with the blinkers. at least wi the beetle there's only the one arm (the blinkers) out of the steering column - the wiper control is a knob you turn on the dash.

and i remember driving something that you had to lift a 'collar' under the gearknob to engage reverse - no idea what it was tho

and pod filters are illegal, but i think you can get them engineered (not sure about that). but put it ina box and you can'te tell anyway :)

along with other things like neons and parking light globes...and those damned windscreen washer LEDs![/color:post_uid0]

[DaRK_323]

hey hey guys!!!
actually it wasn just europeans that had the push down and to the left to get the reverse gear, if u guys have ever driven an older holden with the 4 speed, YES 4 SPEED, manual on the floor, it was exactly the same.
just a weird little fact.... and who actually needs the h pattern after the first time u drive the car????


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Ban low performance drivers! not high performance cars

[Rupewrecht]

well, if you didn't, how would you know how many gears a car has? or where reverse it? as long as someone's around to tell you it's no problem
- i mean eventually you'll work it out, but it's nice to know straight away!

some cars have:

R24
135

or

13
R24

or

135
24R

etc etc

[SehnKhan]

Or, you know, the other type:

S G

S being Stop
G being Go.

Lazy sods :roll:

[Aaron]

I dunno what's so hard about making a car street legal. Sure you gotta spend a bit of cash with the engineers, you gotta accept that you may not be able to do a certain mod that really want but at the end of the day it's rulez we gotta play by to get nice things like 3rd party personal insurance, 3rd party property insurance and hopefully comprehensive insurance.

As for the certificates be made not valid, that's not true, rather it's the bodgy ones that really were not wortht eh paper they're printed on.

At the moment if you can engineer a car in any state in Australia it immediately becomes able to be registered in any other state. That's why most car mods where done in QLD up to a few years ago becuase they had slack rules and it was pretty easy to get most conversions done legally, which couldn't be done legally in NSW or VIC, then drive the car over the boarder and a year later xfer the rego... presto you have a street legal R100 with 20bTT in it ;)

In all honesty no matter how cool the mod if you can't drive it on the street in a legal form it's not worth happening, the risk should something go wrong (say you hit someone and hurt them and the ensueing investigation reveals your illegal mods) you're in a world of sh!t that could have been avoided by spending a couple of extra $$ at the start.....

[Dogo]

and i remember driving something that you had to lift a 'collar' under the gearknob to engage reverse - no idea what it was tho

lol my mums old 80s Camira was like that. lift the collar, then left and up

[MrShadow]

and i remember driving something that you had to lift a 'collar' under the gearknob to engage reverse - no idea what it was tho

The Vauxhall Vectra (aka Holden Vectra) has a collar you have to lift to engage reverse. Found that out the hard way when in England during the Olympics... :oops:

[bRaDiNhO]

Ditto most Euros.... Seat, some VW,Euro Ford etc. Aaron... totally agree with u about pointlessness of mods if cant be regoed.
BUT state officials (RTA in NSW etc) dont work with police always.
EG Victorian speed cameras used by police vs Vicroads speed indicator on the Hume. I got pulled over for 28 kliks over by the cops, when according to the speed indicator i would have been doing about 10 over. Thats a big diff. Cop said tough cookies - they use different systems.
Not mods, but u get my point. Also, not all mods should be illegal and many that are are not publicised very well - most people dont know that u cant have a pod filter on your car. Why it is illegal is anyones guess, but still, its the law, and u can easily rego your car with that and an overly loud exhaust. Get a stiff cop tho, and he'll have a different opinion. U can buy each from any shop, and both will take u through a million options, never hinting that it is illegal. Any relatively big mods should be illegal unless done by a certified engineer.... but if it is done by an engineer, wats the prob? Most exhausts are done by an engineer, but are still illegal if too loud. Ditto lowering if too low. Ditto NOS. Ditto filters. Ditto simple things such as pedals.

[CityEnd]

The Vauxhall Vectra (aka Holden Vectra) has a collar you have to lift to engage reverse. Found that out the hard way when in England during the Olympics... :oops:

at my mate's work place they have an astra for a company car, one of his coworkers took it out once day, and didn't realise he didn't know where the R was until he had to park. so what he did was put it in N and pushed it into the parking spot.. hehe

[BigMal]

Maybe its just an age thing, but 20 years ago very few manuals
had the patterns on the knob so it was always a try before you drive
checking for reverse push down left up or right down. Column shifts
were the best as being confusing to find reverse. I do think that driver
education and not fines are the answer. Does that also mean that
all the really cool B&M or Mr Gasket auto shifters are also illegal cause
they dont have PRND21 on them. I just think that not having the pattern
showing and forcing the driver to spend a minute or 2 to find out how
many gears the car has and other stuff like indicators etc is a good thing
to prepare the driver to actually drive the car. Contentment breeds
lazyness and thats when accidents are more likely to happen.

Regards

Mal

[Bear]

Does that also mean that
all the really cool B&M or Mr Gasket auto shifters are also illegal cause
they dont have PRND21 on them.

actually you'll find that the star shifter and quickshifter do have it down the left hand side .... but ... what about the old classic ... the Vertical Gate?

[Cosmo Dude]

My ol' Mitsi van didn't have the pattern printed on the knob. The vehicle user manual showed the pattern.
I know the story but ask the Police officer to put his name on it and show it to a judge. (the look on his face will worth it) the bruises will heal :D

Rod

[supergirl]

My first car - SB Barina (Corsa) had the little collar thing that u had to pull up to reverse. hehe i used to love watching my friends trying to work it out ... heheh oh i miss that car sometimes.. .

[Asterix]

Push down and across for reverse...
Haven't you guys ever driven a car with an Aussie-4speed box?

[Trav]

Or, you know, the other type:

S G

S being Stop
G being Go.

Lazy sods :roll:

Or if you are lazy and have an Auto:

R for Race :P

[Trav]

and i remember driving something that you had to lift a 'collar' under the gearknob to engage reverse - no idea what it was tho

The Vauxhall Vectra (aka Holden Vectra) has a collar you have to lift to engage reverse. Found that out the hard way when in England during the Olympics... :oops:

Same as My g/f's car - Opal/Vauxhall/Holden Astra. Gear Patern;

R135
24

with the lifty thing for reverse - and yes the wipers/signal on the 'other' side. I have never had any problem jumping in her car and driving, but stupiodly, when I jump back in my car, i always root it up for the first couple of turns...

[Cosmo Dude]

Here is a reproduction of an old Mazda gear knob,
http://members.cox.net/wankel_dreams/temp/shift_knob_top.jpg

No gate, only Logo :roll:

Rod

[OTO-10W]

:cry: whats the go with 17" wheels on our astinas ??? my BJI came out with 15" alloys on it and im only allowed to go 1" bigger in diameter , so i can only go to 16" any bigger and its illegal and i can be defected ,any way of getting around this ? also my insurance company wont touch my car because of the illegal mod to 17" wheels

[Smikey]

Serious? My car's insured by NRMA with 17" wheels - 7" wide, sports engine exhaust...

I think it helps when ur parents who've been with the insurance co. for like the last 30 years ring up :oops:

[homer]

good luck :wink:

[Aaron]

Check they are talking about diameter... the basic overriding NSW rules are:

1" maximum increase in width (50% of increase on inner, 50% on outer) and no limit on wheel diamter as long as tyre and wheel overall diamter doesn't exceed 10% more than stock wheel and tyre fitment.

Insurance companies can impose their own restrictions but from a legality point of view.....

[kyra]

OTO, you are allowed to go 1" up on the largest specified wheel size optioned on your model car... this happens to be the 16*6" on the 2.0, so 1" up makes your 17" wheels...
I hope the other guys can back me up, but I am positive this is correct.

[mrpayner]

That is correct Bill..

NRMA, RACV, RACQ will only insure for a 1 inch wider wheel.. therefore as the BA 1.8LT Astina came with 14x5½" rims, you can only insure to a 6½" rim. Most of the time you can't get a bigger diameter than 15x6½" rim [like mine] but there are a few wheel manufacturers that make 16 and even 17x6½".. This is also the same for lowering your vehicle.. the above mentioned insurance agencies will only insure a 30mm drop and no more.

You'd be better off going to JCI or someone like that who will insure you, albeit for a slightly higher premium.

Hope that helps...

AP

Oh.. and Smikey.. just hope you don't have a prang dude.. I'd be ringing up and confirming that you're allowed to have a 7" wide rim on your Astina, unless you've got the V6.

[ezin]

If the car came from the factory with 16's then you can put on 17's! so Sp 20 owners can put 17's on! all the other astinas cant! U can put 17's on a standard astina but u wont get insurance! Its a simple rule, 1 inch bigger in diameter and 1 inch bigger in width than the factory spec! if u see any others then they probably dont have insurance unless its a club car!

[mrpayner]

not sure about the 1 inch bigger in diameter thing mate.. I can still insure a 17x6½" rim on mine.. Just can't do 17x7" with everyday insurers like NRMA & RACV

AP

[ezin]

If u can u can! if ur insurance company lets u then why not! i supose u can insure anything as long as u have the money!

[wiredone]

well that sucks royally...

i drive around every day with a turbo'd SP20 in mosman, balgowlah, manly and brookvale... never been asked... even at RBT's...lol i actually had a manly cop pull me up and say how nice my front mount looked and asked me how it went...

but as soon as you start driving out west, you gotta be realy careful...

cops hunt you out there.... we were driving back from liverpool on friday night in pack form on the m4 and cops played tag team with us the whole way... one cop would follow us for a couple of suburbs then pull of and a new station would take the position... absolute crap... more likely to do something wrong when your etching about the cop tail gating you at 110 =(

just my 2c and story...lol

[Smikey]

MrPayner, i hope not either, but i was talkin to the NRMA folks on the phone about how big my wheels were, and went to the garage to check it up, told the girl and she paused a bit (to check it up)? and said it was just ok, so... my heart is running as per normal again and for now i shall leave it at that.

[Remi]

NRMA wont insure my car now that it has 17' wheels on it. Its pretty crap but thats life i guess.

[KittyKatSmack]

The only thing that worries me is that if I have my car insured, and put bigger wheels on it....

What if the worst thing happens and you are in an accident?

They check your car, and if you have illegal mods, the insurance company won't cover you even if the accident wasn't your fault!

That will apply to third party excess too!!!!

So I would be checking with the insurance company BEFORE I put anything remotely dodgy on my car.

If you know what you are doing to your car is illegal, and you get defected for it... then that is the price you pay, you can't whinge, especially if you KNEW it was illegal.......

Basically, I wouldn't want to have an accident and not be covered....
that is a seperate issue to being defected.

Defected is something you live with if you mod your car.
Don't cry about it, either mod within the limits or live with defect notices.
C'est la vie.

8)

[BigBoyLemonade]

Get Just cars 3rd party! thats the best!

Unlimited mods as long they are legal

[KittyKatSmack]

Didn't know that.....

Excellent stuff!!!

Does that cover the wheels question I have asked in the other thread too though?

ie/ bigger wheels than the 1" rule?

Am glad you know your **** Tony!!!!

:D

[wiredone]

yeah third party comprehensive just covers anything you can do to someone else...

still means if you crash you pay, but at the end of the day your covered for that new GTR, or ferrari you just rear ended....

have you tried just cars?

mines $2600 compo with P's turbo conversion including front mount etc., $2500 fo weels covered, $3500 system covered and unlimited mods left

my excess is $600

i mean seeing noone else will insure me it ain't bad... cheaper than my aami covered when the car was stock...

[dfvadr]

when i took mine to nrma with 18's they told me no way they would touch it
after telling the guy to get out his tape messure an wake up to him self because the rolling diamater off 16's with 50 series tyres are only 3mm different to the 18's with 35 series an the 16's r 6.5 the 18's r 7.5 that is acceptable by the rta he went all dry in the throat spoke to sum boss inside then they insured me
think its called baffled with bull**** works for me :lol:

[KittyKatSmack]

I am never going to whinge about paying $660 a year for my insurance again....

not when you lot pay thousands......... :shock:

*hands start to shake*

me part with my money like that to insurance sharks?
Bah Humbug!

[divadiow]

it seems a bit anal to me that modded cars can be pulled over and ordered to be inspected by the state (for safety reasons?) when most states in Australia don't require annual checks on all vehicles, so cars could go for many years with one owner and only require inspection when it comes to selling the vehicle (!)

that's what I found absurd when I came to buy a car after learning to drive out there

[arden]

Rod,
i used to have my car insured through NRMA
when i told them about my new 17x7 . they said they couldnt insure it, coz for sp20's the maximum they could do is 6.5" wide.
So i was like WTF, i want to talk to a supervisor.
They got one to talk to me, so i told them about the rta rule being able to go 1" wider, and she simply said, we understand that, but we at nrma have strict guidelines on what we insure and that max that they could allow is 6.5.

So i cancelled my policy right there and then, Rang up GIO, they were really cool.
said they could insure me...and allow any mods as long as its legal and roadworthy and not engine related.

Im a happy camper now, as my premium were $150 cheaper ..|..

[platypus]

but there is explanations for some of the stuff, .... and remember not everything is done by competent people... the thing (to my knowledge) with wheels was that the rolling diameter has a leeway +/-25mm and the same leeway is given for wheel widths... but with a minimum profile depth of 25mm

when i was with AAMI they said any size was fine, as long as the wheel was not wider than the width of the car body (ie no protrusion)

if your badly done turbo blows up (for eg), then who is to blame for the mess you might spray... the only real reason i would get a turbo engineered, is that i could not be stuffed taking it off again every pink slip time!!

[wiredone]

here here.....

luckily i have aaround a year to get it engineered cause mines still new.... even though the turbo is there

either that or the cops will get me first...

<Doug's Final Thought>

there is legitimate reasons for nearly (and i mean nearly) every defectable item, whether it is because your at risk of hurting the environment, the ears of granmas sleeping at night or killing your girlfriend in an accident because that new strut brace altered the cars crush design...

all of these reasons are good enough in theory but when actually put into practice properly there is nothing to worry about. Simply put, Your life can't be replaced, so while bolting that garret T04/T05 on, running 4bar of boost through the front wheels with no lsd, stop to think about how the hell your going to take those corners near your house in the wet, while keeping it on the road...

<\Doug's final thought>

[platypus]

hehe, yeah no good spinning the steering wheels... damn FWD
mates piazza comes on boost in corners... small turbo, but causes spin if your in wet with flat to the floor!!!

[TURBO MAZDA]

Hey Rupewrecht couldn't help noticing that nice yellow sticker on ya pic.

What did they get ya for ????
Do you need to get the car enginered ????

[Rupewrecht]

yeah, am in the process of engineering it at the moment.

they got me for:

Foot Pedals (complete crap)
Non Padded Steering Wheel Centre (more crap)
BOV (to be expected)
Tyre Load Rating (under the correct weight - 450kg instead of 500kg+, but i knew that)
Modified Motor (that's a laugh)

so nothing big apart from the motor one really

just means i've got to return it to TX3 turbo specs for a while to pass the emissions test as they sent me and EPA notice in the mail soon after *grumble* and i'm not paying $3500 to get my car passed byt the EPA with the Wolf ECU...

no problems with the engineer - suspension is fine, brakes are fine, fmic is fine, but the boost gauge (which i've molded in) will have to be moved, but i'll just get a standard dash as a temporary thing

wrong place at the wrong time in the wrong car - i swear on pr1mo''s fuzzy hair that i wasn't doing anything illegal at the time :lol:

[Cosmo Dude]

Wrong place??? I was only doing 30-40 due to the perving factor, their is no other reason to drive down Jacka Blvd in summer :D :D :D :D :D ;)

[TURBO MAZDA]

yeah they got me for the same kind of crap and i was at the traffic lights, The car didn't even move.

Just put all the stock stuff back on for emmision,
standard computer
standard injector
standard exhaust
standard airbox

and it should pass, that is what i had to do to get mine to pass.

It is all just one big head ake

[sik astina]

why dont u's spend abit more cash and get the cars engineered? save the changing computers over and that.

[Dogo]

from what i understand its really really expensive to the point of not worth it to engineer an aftermarket computer.

[jcywong]

get a emission test first, it's free, and if it pass, you should be right

[Dogo]

aftermarket computers require a full emission test from memory. which costs abt 3-4k i think.

[sik astina]

not in NSW, its about $500

[SehnKhan]

YIKES!! I remember something in Hot 4's about that Yellow Club Spec WRX requiring a full emissions test and costing in the vacinity of $3-4K

[Rupewrecht]

exactly, as i said before, in vic there's only one place that does emissions testing and they charge $3500.

otherwise i would!

and i AM getting the car engineered. read the post people :roll: :P

[TURBO MAZDA]

I do have my car enginered,

what i was saying is that, to get the car to PASS the emissions test what i had to do.

And to get the car enginered you must have a vaild emission test done and pass the requirements. You have no chance of passing with a microtech.

I no what i 'am talking about cause i had my car tested about 20 times befor i changed the parts listed above to get the car to pass.

also there is no valid enginer that would enginer your car with a microtech computer,

if you are going to enginer your car go to the rta web site and get the list of vaild enginer of there, if there not on that site then doesn't mater what they write on the paper couse it doesn't mean **** !!!!!!!

[Rupewrecht]

yeah, i've talked to the engineer and he gave me a list of things to change, hence me going back to the tx3 spec externals (turbo/ecu etc)

i'm leaving the wolf there as it's for 'track use' ;)

[TURBO MAZDA]

here is the link for valid enginers
but it seams to be down at the moment, if you pm me your email
i can send ya the the copy i have.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi15.pdf

[TURBO MAZDA]

it's one big pain in the arse,

[amberastina]

hey guys in reference to these earlier posts just wondering about legislation for exterior lighting on a car.I contacted the rta after searching their website and finding nothing this is how the convo went...
me-Hi I have searched the website and can't find any reference to neon lights on exterior of vehicle nothing saying you can and nothing saying you can't. Would like some clarification on this and reference to legislation on this. Please reply as soon as possible. Thank you
rta-Amber,
The NSW Police can take action against you if they deem you are distracting another road user.
me-Just to confirm, so there is nothing like a set standard?
It depends on who the officer is or is it black and white yes/no? Can you please reference to the legislation regarding this.Thank you
rta-Contact the Police, they are the ones who enforce the road rules.
me-They may enforce the rules but the RTA is supposed to legislate these rules and have the documents freely available. Can you please answer the question or forward the enquiry to someone who can.
rta-Amber,I already have, you need to ask the Police.

so anyway i got a lil angry towards the end as you can tell but like i said they should know so I have emailed the nsw police force so will see but did any of you happen to know the answer to my dillemma?

thank you :)

[mussing]

Might wanna check the thread date before you post dude- the last post on this thread was February 2004!

[70NYD]

i dunno about NSW but i read in regards to QLD i know that you are not allowed to have anything on lke a red, white, yellow, blue (as those colors are reserved for police, ambulance, signaling, driving lights) neon while driving, as for when you are parked it can be on as long as it is not on a road. HOWEVER that being said from everything i read TECHNICALLY you can have a set of pink neons on your car while driving, or a red neon at the back, amber ones on the side that are activaded as you indicate and a white one on the front that comes on with headlights.. but as well there is no PROPER legislation i found in regards to this

[sik astina]

I had neons years ago, and got told by the cops and EPA that you cant have them unless there is a clear one at the front, amber on the sides and a red one at the rear like tony said but who wants those colours anyway

[rodhog]

yep that's right extra light must comply with ADR CODES - NOTE RTA or anything else ADR rules

If you look at TRUCK BODIES these are all custom made or at least 80% were made here In australia - ****ING Overseas cheap labour basted Right wings pricks.
they all have amber and red side lights - some with clear foward facing and all red rear.

but yes any forward facing light on car NOT originally fitted to the car must comlly with ADR rule BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

basic thing goes - parkers 7watt - head lamp 55watt - indicators 21 watt and brake 21 watt and taillight 7watt.
Now with new light being LED etc they are being complied under the E- for european spec compliance rule. Reason for new cars like HSV having driving lights which in Europe since about 1980 were 21watt.

but here in lies the bit that hurts whoes who want a stage show. Positioing and angle - they have introduced this for daytime driving lights.

As for other colours. WE have rules to protect the public. Just turn them on when your at show or even car park.

It is distracting to see a car down the road with blue lights on it's bonnet from funny washers etc.
If you se a car coming towards you with PINK or RED parkers - Even green ones it's annoying.
So just coply with it because all you are doing it making it worse for your self and others.

As for Police officers- I deal with them almost weekly on matter above most peoples heads. They dont' need to know every detail. They only need to know the Majority of what is right and what is wrong.
They have right to defeact you for any extra thing not factory fitted to your car those presents a danger to the public.
If you don't want this dont' give them the oportunity or ability.
They could defect a brand new car because the rear taillight is out. I've heard it happen, the dealer - fixed it payed for the Defeact. Because even they know it's untouchable. Just because it's brand new don't mean it's perfect.

[amberastina]

I was looking for a post similar to what I wanted to ask cause I forgot where to find the post new thread bit...
Yeah I saw on the RTA site the bit about the colours and who can have them.The pinks only for show like not driving around except in quiet streets in my area (i dont wanna get in trouble :s lol)
I know what you mean about those ones on the bonnet so annoying and I saw one the other day with blue number plate lights and all you could see was blue not even the number plate which must be illegal.I might pop into the police station on weekend and find out what they think and anything else I think of asking. Thanks for the posts everyone :)

[Kevaclone]

when i took mine to nrma with 18's they told me no way they would touch it
after telling the guy to get out his tape messure an wake up to him self because the rolling diamater off 16's with 50 series tyres are only 3mm different to the 18's with 35 series an the 16's r 6.5 the 18's r 7.5 that is acceptable by the rta he went all dry in the throat spoke to sum boss inside then they insured me
think its called baffled with bull**** works for me :lol:

I hope you got it in writing, because the sales people ARE NOT assessors
so when it comes time to make a claim things will be a whole lot different.
At least if you have it in writing you will have some leverage if your claim is refused

I have my Landcruiser and Prado covered for offroad use with RACQ
some Companies say they cover for offroad but their idea of offroad varies considerably. but RACQ offorad is "Any visible track" meaning where tyre tracks are visible(their meaning), this means if I roll over on a steep badly rutted and rocky hill track I'm still covered, but not if I just start driving through the scrub.
I also have that in writing so any problems if I make a claim I have their letter stating they approved it

[marcs_sp20]

You do realise you quoted something said back in 2003?

[Kevaclone]

You do realise you quoted something said back in 2003?

Yes buy my response is relevant and is good advise and has been ever since insurance was thought of