SP2NV or Evo 7 [Archive] - AstinaGT Forums

wiredone

04-07-2005, 08:49 PM

i want serious votes for either side...

i have more power, but lack of traction and lack of more mods left to do.

I will sell the car for $30,000 with a new gear box from PAR and be done with it and get an EVO or continue about the car and make it even more fully sick...

your thoughts?

Nate

04-07-2005, 08:52 PM

msp6? rx7? the tri-diamond is going bankrupt!

twilightprotege

04-07-2005, 08:54 PM

i voted sell, but stay mazda. 20b series 8 rx7 sounds very very appealing :D would kick an evo's arse anyday in all areas of performance and then some (ie looks)

Dogo

04-07-2005, 08:55 PM

not another bloody lancer ...

wiredone

04-07-2005, 08:58 PM

yes a series 7 or 8 is my dream car but an EVO will last and is relatively strong and quick from factory, and rx7 is dog slow from factory and i know i will catch the mod bug from my rotary mates and go all out losing driveability again... where i get an evo and do some simple mods and i'll be happy

twilightprotege

04-07-2005, 08:59 PM

i thought the stock series 8 does a low-mid 13 second 1/4???

wiredone

04-07-2005, 09:04 PM

an evo 7 does a 12.9 from factory and will do it all day...

i have friends with 9-10 second rotors but i hate the fact that they are far from everyday drivers that you can forget about maintaining for a couple fo days and the thing won't blow from lack of oil...

i don't want to port it and block the oil squirters and have to fill up with oil and fuel everytime i fill up and i want fuel economy...

i can't help myself i will mod it... so i'm trying to keep it to bolt on intercoolers etc... and safe mods... that bolt straight on. for someone in my position i am over custom setups... i have played a part in countless custom setups and am over it... i want to settle down to being a grampa modder but still be able to get heaps of power.... and still be unique (non 200sx or nissan gayline)

i like the feedback i'm getting

Cosmo Dude

04-07-2005, 09:09 PM

$30k for an Astina :lol: People spend that modifying but not buying.

For the $$$ you would spend on a Lancer/WRX/HSV/R3? you would endup as a clone no matter what you do.

Nate

04-07-2005, 09:09 PM

and still be unique (non 200sx or nissan gayline)

lancers are pretty common ... although genuine evo's arnt ... certainly very strong ... there is always puting your turob setup on the new mx5?

twilightprotege

04-07-2005, 09:10 PM

hahahaha

i can't help myself i will mod it

you'll do the same with the evo. us car ppl will never stop doing things. you'll add a bigger fmic, exhaust and up the boost, but then you'll want more and more and more.

i still think if the series 6-8 is your dream car, get it. if you can hold back from modding the evo, hold back from modding the 7

Nate

04-07-2005, 09:18 PM

agreed ... you are only young once! ... buy a BG ... use that as your back up car ... and you will be sweet ;)

Rupewrecht

04-07-2005, 09:26 PM

you'd be mad to sell it. You've got something unique. A lancer is not, be it Evo or not.

just engineer a lancer gearbox into it. the mods are there to make them stronger - moreso than the 323

twilightprotege

04-07-2005, 09:34 PM

quaife 6-spd sequential ;)

tidy protege

04-07-2005, 09:47 PM

Id keep your car because it is unique and its something that you have put so much time and effort into, if you sell it you will loose alot of money a perfect example would be the pulser DREMPT he spent 55 to 65 grand on that car including purchase price of the car and only managed to get 22 grand for it. Im sorry to say but i cant see you getting 30 grand for it, its a nice car and all but cars never get there money back especially modified cars like yours.

The average private price for an sp20 second is about 19 to 21 grand and you might be lucky and someone will give you 4 or 5 grand on top of that for your work, but people never appreciate the time and money put into cars.

Keep it and chase some trophies, the car will be alot more interesting and give you more pleasure than a simple evo lancer.

Nate

04-07-2005, 09:54 PM

simple evo lancer.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

sure they are simple, but they have it where it counts. and no massive wheels or subs to wiegh you down ;)

wiredone

04-07-2005, 09:57 PM

Nate

04-07-2005, 10:01 PM

correct me if i am wrong but drempt was the mid 80's pulsar with the funky purple paint and yellow interior?

-BraXta-

04-07-2005, 10:02 PM

i reakon..

Get an Audi A4 Turbo =D

Ive seen like one done up and it Rocketed when he launched it..

and if its got quattro =D then your cheerin =D

you got speed.. and luxury =D

But lancers are too common ... sorry to say

ur astina is all class man and a i can tell a full heart modded car... so either keep it... and just do what somone said and get heaps of trophies and mag articles.

Or sell it and get sumptin more .... unique =D

Not such a common vehicle =P

just my 2 cents =D

tidy protege

04-07-2005, 10:04 PM

um no it was a marble blue 2000 model sss.

chicaboo

04-07-2005, 10:05 PM

correct me if i am wrong but drempt was the mid 80's pulsar with the funky purple paint and yellow interior?I'm pretty sure it's an N15 with a very swish blue paintjob, famous for the FMIC to nowhere...

Nate

04-07-2005, 10:06 PM

my bad ... cause i wanna gonna say! :p

goldsp

04-07-2005, 10:10 PM

bahaha , 30k is very very optimistic and to offer you that much is borderline stupid

tidy protege

04-07-2005, 10:10 PM

i'm just getting over pouring large sums of money into it...

$30K is not much considering the time and money i have had 3 offers for that already

i'm not putting on pod filters here i just payed for a customer $3K turbo... and the gearbox will cost close to $10K with the box internals and new custom diff and billet axles and cv's so i've just spent 1/3 of the price getting ti ready for sale...

ps. a 2003 model like mine is still going for around $25K

the thing is you havent taken shortcuts you have done it all properly so i find it quiet sad that your parting with the car just when its starting to become a very special car that people respect and admire.

as for the price thing my brother picked up an 03 model sp20 with 10,000 kays on it for 23 grand. im assuming that you car would have a couple of kays on it so it would be worth less than that and people give you 5 or 6 grand max for the mods you have put on your car despite probably having spent 30 grand on the car.

Nate

04-07-2005, 10:17 PM

the fact of the matter is he has had offers ... and thats not the point of the thread ... keep the car or sell it ... i still say rx7! but a evo7 is bloody nice, and its pretty easy to pick the mock ups ... i mean ... whats the point of putting on huge wheels and leaving those 2 cent piece size drums there :p

Astro Boy

04-07-2005, 10:32 PM

borderline stupid

...and who better to tell us all about that? :D

Nate

04-07-2005, 10:35 PM

RAOFLMAO!!

and doug ... no matter what you drive you are always welcome on agt ... even if you do buy a civic or charade :eek: :D :p

Astro Boy

04-07-2005, 10:46 PM

even if you do buy a civic or charade

... and you'll have my sincere condolances....

tidy protege

04-07-2005, 10:53 PM

god greg grow up this is a 323 forum, if you have something to contribute apart from dribel contribute away, if your on here to fill in time or **** stur i suggest you go to your rally forums and have fun.

wiredone

04-07-2005, 10:55 PM

all good points...

my motor has 5,000km on it... absolutely no blow by even at major major boost... the thing i 100% happy all the time i just can't get the rest of the car to like it...

it pisses me off cause i just put in some JIC magic's and for anyone who knows their real expensive....

2 weeks ago i was feeling like the thing was unstoppable as i am yet to have something pull away but now i am feeling like sometimes i need a wakeup call... a $10K box and a $15K motor in a $30K car?

and thats just the recent things...
i have to put it on paper to make me calm down

Astro Boy

04-07-2005, 10:56 PM

god greg grow up this is a 323 forum

sorry...

"Yeah mate.. OMG.. that's fully sik!!!

DF51

05-07-2005, 06:00 AM

I say keep the sp20... you have something rare, and its going to stay rare for a while too i think...
Evo's are mad, they always will be, it sounds like you have your heart set on a evo...

DF51

05-07-2005, 06:03 AM

and if u Do sell it.. ill be there ready ;)

Nate

05-07-2005, 10:10 AM

its only money and you cant take it with you! it may be a $30k car, but hell, you could spend a mill on it if you wanted to. the important things is to do want makes YOU happy, not what others tell you too do!

mazdamanik

05-07-2005, 07:50 PM

personaly i would keep it...my reasonsing would be that uve spent heaps on it already why not finish it rather then giving up cause of a hurdle....if u desire to change cars then thats up to u and u should do it but i cant see the point in wasting such a nice ride....and a large amount of money be getting rid of it

HI-RES

05-07-2005, 08:18 PM

my take would be either tame it or sell it.

its just not worth pushing your power target further and further if you keep having to upgrade parts and things that cant handle it. IMHO. Astinas are not sports cars let alone just on the "sporty" tip.
you've got the toughest SP20 in australia and even give the yanks a run for their money, but where does it end? I think recognise the limitations and merits of this car and make your decision based on that. And it depends if you wanna continue to build your own car basically like you've been doing or just spruce up a car that has had damn good engineering already done (the RX7).
I think you've taken the sp20 far enough and spending anymore is like wiping your ass with $50 notes, if it was my car i'd either turn down the boost and go easier on her or sell it and get a muscle car with an engine & tranny that isnt going let me down performance or reliability wise. and preferably RWD or AWD!

whoopeedoo not many people modify this car and yours is unique, there's a reason for that, astinas are not sports cars! the same reason the aforementioned hsv, evos, wrxs etc are labelled as "played out" and "clones" on the road....because they're f*cken good sports cars and have a big demand rightly so!!
yes we all want to have our own niche car that stands out and sets us apart from the norm and induces comments like "woah whats that guy driving?!" or "check out what he's done to that" BUT there are plenty of rare sports cars out there much more exciting than a humble jap hatchback. I think alot of the appeal also is the challenge of modying cars that arent so easy to modify. Its a bit of a paradox.
-BUT-
you have put a bucketload of time, effort & $$ into that car, which counts for alot.

At the end of the day though its what car best suits you, and only you can decide that. Take a few test drives.

this is not intended to offend you or anyone, just giving my honest non-politcially correct 2 cent opinion. I like my astina just as much as everyone else here!

<end of rant>

..carry on

ssman

05-07-2005, 08:54 PM

i am jeolous buy the evo man i've driven one ( in japan ) awsome car

Fro-Daddy

06-07-2005, 06:40 AM

just a question, did you have a dog box in the astina?

dfvadr

01-08-2005, 08:37 PM

for the money you out lay for da evo spend another 10 grand on your car an 4wd it with all the good gear out of a written off sti then you will have a unique an strong sp20 worlds first

Asterix

08-08-2005, 04:45 PM

i voted sell, but stay mazda. 20b series 8 rx7 sounds very very appealing :D would kick an evo's arse anyday in all areas of performance and then some (ie looks)

Dude, have I missed something? One is a 4wd & is a better track car.
A series 8 wins hands down on looks, but performance in all areas?.. Can't agree there.

You should have checked out the Dutton Rally the other week - that might have changed your opinion.
;0)

twilightprotege

08-08-2005, 08:39 PM

awd-4wd is NOT always better at the track. in japan there is a NA 20b series 8 rx7 that holds the lap record for the secuba (i dont know how to spell that) circuit. faster than all the insane evo's. a highly tuned rx7 vs highly tuned evo on any major track in australia (ie qld raceway, bathurst, winton), the rx7 will win hands down.

oh and the dutton rally is close corners and tight corners where getting power to the ground asap is the most important. anyway, those rally's are overrun by wrx's and evo's. no wonder they win.

dont forget awd is only of use when you are losing traction. as soon as you have full traction to 2 wheels, driving the other 2 wheels is just reducing power to the ground. ever wondered why a stock wrx vs stock 200sx give the same 1/4 mile time yet the wrx has a good bit more power (at the engine)?

chicaboo

11-08-2005, 09:41 PM

Stop voting please, he's bought the EVO already!!!

wiredone

11-08-2005, 09:54 PM

Yes this is true,
bough a mica black evo 8 with leather less than a month ago
waiting for feature article before sale....
thanks guys

CHiMPY

12-08-2005, 05:40 AM

Where are the pics of the evo??

Rupewrecht

12-08-2005, 09:36 AM

lol it's closed now - i didn't think people would still be voting!

pr1mo

12-08-2005, 10:50 AM

vote for pedro!

Astro Boy

13-08-2005, 09:23 PM

awd-4wd is NOT always better at the track

Spot on... ;)

Far too many people confuse tractive effort and handling traights... AWD's understeer and mid corner push, unless setup completly 'unfactory'...

And its not just in japan, the Mt Cotton Hill Climb lap record is held by a RWD (as are most of the top spots), and as a matter of interest, the highest placed AWD/4WD is a Landcruiser! :D

wiredone

14-08-2005, 12:59 PM

well i can tell you that from recent experience the evo does not understeer (unlike the WRX) because of the active yaw control and the acd as long as you don't back off fully going into the corner the car loves it, and therefore allows you to do crazy speeds that you thought were impossible. If anything i would call it oversteer because mid corner the power comes to the front and you are fighting to not come out sideways at high speed. This coupled with the EVO's halved steering (full lock to full lock is just over a turn i think) makes take up of your confidence level slower than normal... i do think the geering is a little scary... the car sits at 140 at like 3,000rpm and feels like your going 60 and its scary because you realise that although you feel like your going slow if it comes to an end it will be a messy one....

ssman

14-08-2005, 07:44 PM

secuba raceway is spelt tsukuba

awd-4wd is NOT always better at the track. in japan there is a NA 20b series 8 rx7 that holds the lap record for the secuba (i dont know how to spell that) circuit. faster than all the insane evo's. a highly tuned rx7 vs highly tuned evo on any major track in australia (ie qld raceway, bathurst, winton), the rx7 will win hands down.

oh and the dutton rally is close corners and tight corners where getting power to the ground asap is the most important. anyway, those rally's are overrun by wrx's and evo's. no wonder they win.

dont forget awd is only of use when you are losing traction. as soon as you have full traction to 2 wheels, driving the other 2 wheels is just reducing power to the ground. ever wondered why a stock wrx vs stock 200sx give the same 1/4 mile time yet the wrx has a good bit more power (at the engine)?

twilightprotege

14-08-2005, 09:22 PM

yeah i can never remember how to spell it :(

Astro Boy

15-08-2005, 12:43 PM