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astina
02-10-2002, 11:36 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]hey all i want lower my car 21/2 inches before i get mags, any way i was just wondering which springs would be best to use.[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
02-10-2002, 11:52 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]Depends on what else you are planning on doing to the car.
If just springs then probably Kings as they are firmer so will
reduce body roll. However if you plan on upgrading the sways
as well you can go a softer spring for a better ride and use
the uprated sways to reduce bodyroll.

Regards

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

BigMal
02-10-2002, 11:54 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]Either way go a progressive spring cause they are a little
softer on ride.

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

BigBoyLemonade
03-10-2002, 02:02 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]I like kmac cause the quality of the spring is quite good and they are progessive... usually $350 delivered to your door[/color:post_uid0]

EZZY
03-10-2002, 02:39 AM
[color=#FF7F00:post_uid0]check out item #4 of this page
this page (http://www.ezzy-style.com.au/forsale.html)[/color:post_uid0]

astina
04-10-2002, 02:45 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]is it allright to have it lower at the back than the front and what is the purpose of it? coz im a little interested[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
04-10-2002, 09:50 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]Moving the centre of gravity more to the rear is not a good
thing on a FWD car as it will promote wheelspin. Better to
go the other way. RWD cars do it for weight over the pushing
wheels = better traction. Sometimes the front is already lower
so when you drop it the front don't need as much. Thats the
only reason I could think of why you would do it.

Regards

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

Mr_Bob
08-10-2002, 08:22 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]lowering the rear of your car more than the front, not only increases the likelyhood of wheelspin, but reduces weight transfer to the fronts under braking,
which would reduce braking traction
i wouldn't suggest it.
as previously mentioned, it would only really be done if the front was already lower than the rear, but even then, it's been done for a reason.[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
09-10-2002, 12:53 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]Eric,
Am interested now, why are the rears you have for
sale lower then the fronts ??

Ta

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

astina
10-10-2002, 01:50 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]well i went to the wheel shop yesterday to order some king spirings to lower the astina 21/2 inches but the guy said that that they dont make king springs to lower it by that much only just over 2 inches they can do. ???[/color:post_uid0]

EZZY
10-10-2002, 02:23 AM
[color=#FF7F00:post_uid0]mal,
no idea, they arent mine.[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
10-10-2002, 03:36 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]Sik Mik,
You still got the Kings box with the part numbers on it for
the 2.5 Inch lowered springs to help Astina out.

Tanks Buddy :D

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

astina
10-10-2002, 03:51 AM
[color=#32CD32:post_uid0]just went to pedders and they told me that any lower than 2 inches and my car will bottom out???
thanks guys for your help.
i found wheels today as well avantek spyder or sensei with potenza 3 tyres for a reasonable price so in 3 weeks hopefully ill have them :D[/color:post_uid0]

BigBoyLemonade
10-10-2002, 04:39 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]3" is really as low as you should go.. and for good handling 2.5" is the best I have been told... King springs used to do it but dont anymore...
Most good spring companies wont sell lower than 2" because its not really neccessary.

I want to lift mine from 4" to 3" cause I think if it stays like that any longer it will cause damage...[/color:post_uid0]

astina
10-10-2002, 06:08 AM
[color=#32CD32:post_uid0]is there much difference in how the car looks and handles with 2" and 2"1/2 coz id like to go 2"1/2 but if i cant then i cant i suppose ???
will the car bottom out at 2"1/2?

no more questions untill tomorro now :D[/color:post_uid0]

mrpayner
10-10-2002, 06:50 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Hopefully your car shouldn't bottom out as [i'm assuming you've got a 94-98 model] the wheel arches are pretty huge! When i had my car lowered [short live, but that's another story] i think it was between 2 - 3 inches and it didn't bottom out. That was on factory shocks too.

I have a question. The Kings springs are progressive on the rear and not on the front. Is this because the engine is in the front thus needing the linear spring rate??[/color:post_uid0]

sik astina
10-10-2002, 07:38 AM
[color=#0000FF:post_uid0]yeah Mal. the box had this number - KCRS-33 i had to look under the car to get the actual part number for the springs.

front - KFFL-90

rear - KMRL-83

hope this helps ya out astina

i had a full car a few times now. i haven't bottomed out at all, thats 2 1/2" lowered


-Mick[/color:post_uid0]

EZZY
10-10-2002, 10:54 AM
[color=#FF7F00:post_uid0]i would recommend 2 and 1/2 lowered progressive springs.
by the way, astina, whats the reasonable price for the alloys and what size are they?[/color:post_uid0]

astina
10-10-2002, 08:32 PM
[color=#32CD32:post_uid0]ezzy,
they are chrome, 17" and $2720.
thanks alot guys for your help. ill see what i can get my hands on and get back to yous.[/color:post_uid0]

EZZY
10-10-2002, 09:12 PM
[color=#FF7F00:post_uid0]i think thats a little bit too expensive!?!
do you want me to get you a price? no pressure....[/color:post_uid0]

astina
11-10-2002, 12:34 AM
[color=#32CD32:post_uid0]yeah sure ezzy thanks. and if you can get king springs to lower it 2 1/2" that would be great. but get back to me first.[/color:post_uid0]

EZZY
11-10-2002, 12:45 AM
[color=#FF7F00:post_uid0]i need to know the exact name of the wheels and the sizes for tyres.[/color:post_uid0]

BigBoyLemonade
11-10-2002, 01:52 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]yeah they are hell expensive..[/color:post_uid0]

astina
11-10-2002, 07:39 AM
[color=#32CD32:post_uid0]ok tyres are bridgestone potenza GIII 205/40/17
and the wheels are Avantek Sensei or Spyder both chrome and both 17x7.
thanks alot.[/color:post_uid0]

EZZY
11-10-2002, 08:24 AM
[color=#FF7F00:post_uid0]astina,
are you in sydney?[/color:post_uid0]

EZZY
11-10-2002, 08:33 AM
[color=#FF7F00:post_uid0]astina,

this one is very similar to sensei
[img:post_uid0]http://www.tempetyres.com.au/products/images/phpWvHbxi631.jpg[/img:post_uid0]

or this one. has a similar lines to the spyder.
[img:post_uid0]http://www.tempetyres.com.au/products/images/phpVZK8iP579.jpg[/img:post_uid0]

let me know which one you prefer.[/color:post_uid0]

astina
11-10-2002, 08:11 PM
[color=#32CD32:post_uid0]ezzy,
thanks for your help, ill think about it a little and get back to you. whats the chrome like on them not tinny i hope. im in canberra anyway.[/color:post_uid0]

astina
12-10-2002, 06:22 AM
[color=#32CD32:post_uid0]what brand are the rozza's?[/color:post_uid0]

cooldragon
30-10-2002, 11:31 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]see my next post[/color:post_uid0]

BigBoyLemonade
30-10-2002, 08:13 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]I have lowered mine 4" and it still isnt low enough... when I have my standard rims on my front bumber scraps along the ground... I can everyone now no astina owner will be ever happy with how low it is.. If I owned a honda I would my wheels so far up inside the guards its not funny[/color:post_uid0]

Rupewrecht
30-10-2002, 08:18 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]yeah same here. i'm usually down at 3.5 inches lower now, and it's still not low enough...

but at least i can raise it when i need to :;):[/color:post_uid0]

cooldragon
01-11-2002, 10:36 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]i have Eibach Pro-Kit under my V6 GT Astina(323F) lowered 2,5 inch. Perfect control, still enough comfort and perfect fittting...just not as low as wanted it to be though...

[img:post_uid0]http://www.323fclub.nl/Autos/images/cooldragon8.jpg[/img:post_uid0]

ps i ride 215-45-17 Bridgestone potenza S-02...the s-03 in the same size didn't fit ....strange.....same size but wider...:s[/color:post_uid0]

jeroentje.nl
01-11-2002, 09:35 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Is there a in height ajustable (electric) lower kit for the V6 car ?

What other mazda cars have the same eh......ophanging (dutch)......mounting.....as a V6

Please CoolD help me out here.[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
02-11-2002, 01:06 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]I don't think you really want a electric suspension system
as they are very very expensive and not any better for
handling. The 323 Turbo Familia's had them as an option
but most people are having them removed as they are
too expensive to maintain. There is also an expense to
have them removed once installed. I would just go coilovers
and go to the trouble of manually adjusting them each time
you want low and high. Note that the car needs a wheel
alignment each time as the castor/camber setting change
with height.

Regards

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

jeroentje.nl
02-11-2002, 07:01 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Ok ....what brand makes the ajustable (not electric) suspension for the V6 ??

So it's not a good plan to lower and upper the car.

Let's say I'm going to work....I have to make many ......bumbs (speed limiters I don't know in english) So the car will be damaged in 5km.

But when I go to a auto show I want my car very low.

How can I make this ?[/color:post_uid0]

zaa
02-11-2002, 09:47 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]I BOUGHT SOME KING SPRINGS AND IT DID NOT DO MUCH TO
THE RIDE HEIGHT OF MY CAR.I HAD A FREIND CUT THEM AND IT WAS SITTING NICELY.BUT THE CAR DROVE LIKE CRAP.I WAS THINKING OF MAYBE TRYING LOVELS.[/color:post_uid0]

cooldragon
02-11-2002, 10:55 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]hey jeroentje.nl

see you found the word yourself: suspension...hehehe

maybe you should ask the guy from S&G that we asked at speed 2002....in Holland there may be one manufacturer available.... but like big mal said..everytime you adjust the height you have to align the car..if you use adjustable koni's it only changes the torsion of the coilover, not the height so you won't have to align..[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
05-11-2002, 12:36 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]If you are only going to lower your car for shows then use
coilovers and make a mark on them when its set at the
high setting. You can lower the car for the show and when
you raise it back do it to the line and it should be very close
to original so you should be able to get away without
needing to align the car again.

Regards

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

jeroentje.nl
05-11-2002, 05:40 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Yes that's what I want.

How much will a electrical system cost ? That's the most fun.

Let's say you out on your alarm it let the car lower. As low a possible. :;):[/color:post_uid0]

TURBO MAZDA
07-11-2002, 03:06 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]How much am I looking at for a set of koni shocks for a 92 Astina sp.

And how low is the best for king springs[/color:post_uid0]

Rupewrecht
07-11-2002, 03:19 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Koni dont make adjustable Sport ones for the 89-94, just the normal Koni Reds

my Sport ones (different to 89-94) were $765 - RRP is about $1150 tho...[/color:post_uid0]

cooldragon
08-11-2002, 02:56 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]they actually do make them for the 89-94 model in holland but then again, Koni is a dutch Brand/holland manufactured...that explains why they are so freaking expensive there in aussie :O[/color:post_uid0]

Rupewrecht
08-11-2002, 03:16 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]really? weird, as i used the worldwide Koni website to check, because i wasnt sure...

but yeah, not cheap![/color:post_uid0]

TURBO MAZDA
08-11-2002, 09:41 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]So $ 765 was trade price ????[/color:post_uid0]

Rupewrecht
08-11-2002, 09:46 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]well, it was less! somehow, my mate that works for an autoparts store got them from a mob called StrutFit in melb for less that what HE could have got them @ trade from Koni in melb...dunno how it all worked out, but it was a cash deal, of course :;):[/color:post_uid0]

TURBO MAZDA
08-11-2002, 10:03 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Are the adjustable ones alot better then the koni red[/color:post_uid0]

TURBO MAZDA
08-11-2002, 10:05 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Are the adjustable ones alot better then the koni red[/color:post_uid0]

Rupewrecht
08-11-2002, 10:11 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]probably not. the only adjustable thing about the yellow Sport ones is that you can adjust them over the life of the shocks to always give the same ride, as they get worn.[/color:post_uid0]

TURBO MAZDA
08-11-2002, 10:19 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]aahhh, ok , So what springs are you running with them[/color:post_uid0]

Rupewrecht
08-11-2002, 10:28 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]i've got Ground-Control coilover sleeves. they use tiny little Eibach springs! damned hard ride...but the height adjustability is worth it[/color:post_uid0]

pr1mo
08-11-2002, 11:03 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]dan.
do the red konis require the cut and shut work that your yellow ones required too?

cheers mike[/color:post_uid0]

Rupewrecht
08-11-2002, 11:35 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]according to the calalogue, yes - same deal as mine[/color:post_uid0]

TURBO MAZDA
09-11-2002, 12:05 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]What is this Cut and shut Business with the shocks[/color:post_uid0]

Rupewrecht
09-11-2002, 12:19 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]ah. to get Konis into an Astina (89-98), you have to have the top mount of your existing Mcpherson struts cut off, and the Koni shock inserted into the existing strut base, and bolted into place.

dunno why koni made them like that, but they do...[/color:post_uid0]

apparition
09-11-2002, 10:57 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid3]Hey guys, I'm thinking of getting my 97 astina lowered 2" ... King Springs or Pedders? Which would you guys recommend.

If I keep my exisiting shocks, will that still be okay in terms of handling or will the lowered springs stuff up my shocks? *(The cars done 40,000kms so far).

Another thing is... with the car lowered say 2" how do you guys get up steep driveways etc... cos my driveway is steep :(

Hey Rupe, hope to have a look at your koni's at the next cruise and would love to see how the ride is like with your suspension set up! :)[/color:post_uid3]

pr1mo
09-11-2002, 11:46 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]edit *.*[/color:post_uid0]

pr1mo
09-11-2002, 11:47 AM
[quote:post_uid0="pr1mo"][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]i recently had some 2" Kmac springs installed on my car. i must say im not game to try a steep incline just yet however everything clears fine going down your average driveway inclines etc. on an angle of course. 2" is bare minimum looks wise, you shouldnt sacrifice too much handling wise if you keep your stock shocks either :)

cheers mike[/color:post_uid0]

cooldragon
09-11-2002, 10:47 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]rupewrecht>> you say that your yellow aren't different form the red ones....actually there is a big difference..

the ones you are high performance/racing shocks(yellow= koni sports line). that's why there much more expensive than the reds. besides the adjustability they also have a total different character than the reds and also lower the car compared to the standard shocks. They are also much better to combine with lowered springs(especially when lowering more than 4,5 cm, which is the lowering height where also replacing the standard shocks by sports shocks)

in holland people use the reds for everyday use just to repce the standard shocks, no difference in your car's driving character.

ppl use the yellow ones if they want to lower the car more than 4 cms and they will also give you better steering performance in kerbs, so you did a good buy...also planning on getting those yellows when my shocks need 2b replaced.

replacing your standard shocks when lowering the car more than 4 cm(approx 1.8 inch), will give you a better balance between spring and coilover, less wear of the shockabsorber(a standard will have to take more load combinde with a lowered car, position of the coilover will be more short, so more force on it) and less humping and bouncing when driving over a bumpy road[/color:post_uid0]

Rupewrecht
11-11-2002, 07:09 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]ah fair enough! i stand corrected :)

but either way, the yellows are too long for me to be able to go as low as i want, while still retaining some suspension travel :)[/color:post_uid0]