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Provo
03-02-2003, 07:59 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Hey guys i'm just deciding how low to go... So How low have YOU gone? Diff hieghts for front and back...or the same? Ezzy just wondering if you still have those springs for sale? Also any brands or places to buy in particular?
ALSO...Um...with getting 18"'s i've found a nice set of Zepter Ligers (or whatever)...but my father seems to think that with the really small tyre...it will drive like a **** box...and that the first pot-hole that i dont manage to avoid...good bye mags... Any thoughs...what is the drive like to those who have 17"s and 18"s? Any difference?
Cheers,
Joe[/color:post_uid0]

BigBoyLemonade
04-02-2003, 04:28 AM
[color=#006666:post_uid0]if you dont want any performance loss dont buy 18's and some ppl have crack there rims in sydney but it really comes down to how careful you are...

I noticed a dropped in preformance on the NA motor.. Also the lowest I would say to go before the ride is really uncomfortable is 3"

Mal would be the best person to ask because he lives in sydney with 18's[/color:post_uid0]

zoom
04-02-2003, 06:46 AM
[color=#0000FF:post_uid0]I've heard it is bad to drop the astina more than 55mm cause any lower and it will stuff youre driveshafts and CV joints.[/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
04-02-2003, 09:50 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]If you want to survive the harsh ride and not buckle
your rims then you need to change travel routes to
accomodate the car. I have distint paths for driving
my car around to avoid things like parramatta road etc
even though it may add a couple of Kays to the trip.
Example. From the city I go all the way back to the
Domain to get on the freeway going south to avoid
Botany road or going through Newtown. If your willing
to do stuff like that then it will be bareable. Maybe go
for a drive in a mates car thats lowered and after an
hour see if you are pissed off and want to get out or
put up with it fine knowing the car looks good. Your
welcome to come for a drive with me anytime just give
me a buzz.

Regards

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

BigMal
04-02-2003, 09:54 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]Just to add to the other question is I have had my car 3"
lowered and on either 17" or 18" tyres for 6 years now and
no problems with shafts or CV's. Touch wood thats great
adding to it that half of its life its been turbo as well.
Speedo just clicked over 110k.

Regards

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

Rupewrecht
04-02-2003, 11:07 PM
[color=#000000:post_uid0]I think mine's normally lowered about 3 inches at the front, and about 2.5 at the back. Thats with the coilover sleeves i've got. And i'm running 17s.

18's look better because of the large astina wheelarches, btu 17's are a little more practical. but having said that, i would have got my rims in 18 if they had made them in 18... :([/color:post_uid0]

BigMal
05-02-2003, 12:00 AM
[color=#000000:post_uid1]I didn't notice any difference in ride between 17"s and 18"s.
Think when you get lower than 50 series its just all hard.

Mal[/color:post_uid1]

RogerRamjet
01-08-2005, 11:04 AM
ive got 18's on my hardtop and i drive on the worst roads in qld. only problem ive had was scuffing when fully loaded and driving fast over train tracks

chicaboo
01-08-2005, 11:13 AM
Damn, now that's grave digging!

mazdamanik
01-08-2005, 03:58 PM
im only 30mm lower front and back and personally for me thats low enough...still got stock rims on but soon to be 16's, mind u this is on a BG astina too...im hppy with the hieght clears most things except the most sever speed humps

pr1mo
01-08-2005, 04:08 PM
haha fair dig 2003! ive gone 50mm low

mcwilly
01-08-2005, 05:16 PM
ive got a bg also its got 17s and been lowered 50mm it rides fairly hard and scrubs a bit with the current tyres but i also need bump stops. i want to go another 20-25mm lower though as ive already mentioned

Rupewrecht
01-08-2005, 06:22 PM
LOl the lowest i've been since that post is 50mm off the ground ;)

W.A.I.
01-08-2005, 06:59 PM
how low can a BA hardtop can go with just changing springs?
i currently running with 17's and 35mm lowered... want to go lower...
any idea??

chicaboo
01-08-2005, 07:27 PM
OMG, look what he's started! I might aswell jump on the bandwagon too... My car is lowered a massive 35mm on the front and 20mm on the rear. YAY!...
W.A.I.: Batman's BA is lowered atleast 60mm I understand. But he's got JIC 2way adjustable coilovers or something like that?

W.A.I.
01-08-2005, 07:33 PM
yeh i noticed that batman has changed the shocks as well as the springs.
but for me i ain't really interested into doing the shocks as they cost too much for a uni student like me.
i would like to get some ideas that of changing springs going lower without scrubing.

dfvadr
01-08-2005, 07:56 PM
ive gone to the ground

chicaboo
01-08-2005, 08:08 PM
You've gone to the sky!

boostedbatman
01-08-2005, 10:18 PM
I have gone as low as possible with the front with the coilovers which is set to the same height at the rear even though there is stilla fair amount that the rear can go down. Being coilovers this is possible as I have only scrubbed a few times in the past 9 months and that was though some excessive cornering on really bad roads. I have however NEVER hit the bump stop, this is a real benefit to coilovers.
Here are a few piccas of them on the car, forgive the dirt they are being cleaned up soon now that the car is on its annual leave
JIC Pic 1 (http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL885/3181817/6488543/106664284.jpg)
JIC Pic 2 (http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL885/3181817/6488543/106664279.jpg)
JIC Pic 3 (http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL885/3181817/6488543/106664274.jpg)
Im sure you are aware of how a rollercoaster takes corners, I believe this to be the next best thing

W.A.I.
01-08-2005, 10:42 PM
batman, just would like to know how much did the whole set of suspension costed you?
i am actually thinking of going 50mm lowering.. so.. would like to check out things that you guys have done.. thanks...

boostedbatman
02-08-2005, 04:49 AM
The whiteline goodies set me back around $750 plus a set of camber bolts F&R around $80 and the set of used coilovers were around $8-850 plus I then had them rebuilt at around $ 400. so its not the cheapest way to go about it but I couldnt be happier as the package is now "faultless" or so to speak.
I will shortly be building a set of solid rose-jointed endlinks and have a look into some Mazdaspeed Trailing arms and Lateral links. And that will be about everything possible.
IMO this setup is worth its weight in gold.
Contact Dan *Rupwrecht* re: coilovers in Japan auctions if you are interested as they will pop up from time to time and occasionally they go for next to nothing. I have a friend in NZ who got a set of JICs for under $250 and they were fairly new, so its a bit of luck of the draw in the end.
Just make sure whatever you decide to do that you pick a damper/spring combo that is suited to each other as this can make or break the whole setup
Good Luck with it

CRA23
02-08-2005, 12:56 PM
the only 2 spring i know of for the ba that go that low is trust dowmax which is a 40-45mm drop and whiteline flatout springs which say 40-50mm drop, u can usually get the trust springs of the yahoo auctions for around $220aus not including shipping, the spring rate on the trusts are a fairbit harder, the whiteline springs are the softest spring that i can find. i have a list of springs, hight drop and spring rates i will post of u want

i also found out kyb make performance shocks for the astina for both 1.8 and v6, these range from street sport dampers, steet sport with adjustable in bound/rebound, and ones called climb gear fromt the high quality tranlation it says they are designed for windy mountain road and have a quick movment to keep it stable these arent adjustable, a set of the climb gear the the v6 just went for around 390aud on the yahoo auctions

W.A.I.
02-08-2005, 03:45 PM
in that case, it seems like the trust springs are probably the go...
but i am quite concern on the scrubing issue tho...
if you don't mind.. can you post the springs list please? thanks. ^^

goldsp
02-08-2005, 04:27 PM
i have gone 30mm , but hopefully going 50mm soon (next week if all is good )

CRA23
02-08-2005, 06:04 PM
i forgot to say these are all for the v6 but most of the brands make em for both, and i have the king springs with a bout a 35mm drop and it scapes with just me and one pasanger but i have 7.5" wide rims with a +42 offset.
| Brand | Model | Drop(F)(R)(mm) | Spring rate(F)(R)(kg/mm) |
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| Aragosta | Coilover| lots | (6.8) (6)

| JIC | SF-1 Coilover | 60+ | (7) (5)

| JIC | SA-1 Coilover | 60+ | (7) (5) same as sf1 but with damper adjust

| RSR | Ti2000 | (35-40)(25-30) | (4.25)(2.34)

| RSR | RSR | (35-40)(25-30) | (4.25)(2.34)

| Espelir | low | (30-35)(25-30) | (4.2)(2.5)

| Trust | DowMax | (40-45)(40-45) | (4.1)(2.4)

| Whiteline | Control | (25-40)(25-40) | dont know

| Whiteline | Flatout | (40-50)(40-50) | (3.21)(.98-1.87) progressive rear spring)

| King Spring | low| (30-35)(30-35) | (3.57)(2.85)
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goldsp
02-08-2005, 06:08 PM
wrong offset causes scrubbage i only know this to well, get new rims and it will most likely stop. mind you 7.5" is fair wide for an astina

CRA23
02-08-2005, 06:22 PM
i cant go any more offset(higher) or it will scape on the strut, the std was +45 but on a 6.5" rim ive only got maybe 5mm between the rim and the strut atm

CRA23
19-08-2005, 09:19 PM
updated with tein s-tech springs

| Brand | Model | Drop(F)(R)(mm) | Spring rate(F)(R)(kg/mm) |
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| Mazda | Std Spring | Std Height | (3.3)(1.7)

| Aragosta | Coilover| lots | (6.8) (6)

| JIC | SF-1 Coilover | 60+ | (7) (5)

| JIC | SA-1 Coilover | 60+ | (7) (5) same as sf1 but with damper adjust

| RSR | Ti2000 | (35-40)(25-30) | (4.25)(2.34)

| RSR | RSR | (35-40)(25-30) | (4.25)(2.34)

| Espelir | low | (30-35)(25-30) | (4.2)(2.5)

| Trust | DowMax | (40-45)(40-45) | (4.1)(2.4)

| Whiteline | Control | (25-40)(25-40) | dont know

| Whiteline | Flatout | (40-50)(40-50) | (3.21)(.98-1.87) progressive rear spring)

| King Spring | low| (30-35)(30-35) | (3.57)(2.85)

| Tein | S-Tech | (-43)(-48) | Soft : (1.6-4.1)(0.6-2.1) Medium : (1.4-5.9)(0.5-2.9) (all springs progressive)
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andrewgrazier
25-08-2005, 02:56 PM
18 inch mags r stupid, look at mcwillys car, it dosent look like it even has tyres on it, just rims! and they are 17s hehehe

ssman
25-08-2005, 04:11 PM
17" 30mm...low enough....already flat spotted a few rims...thank god they r cheap to buy now

Noble323
25-08-2005, 05:54 PM
A question, now i dunno if any other v6 has this problem, when i lowed my car before (late last year) it rubbed each bounce on the road, and i dont mean speed hump, i didnt know if the shocks were %#@!'ed or i had to lip my guards (which i didnt lip the guards), personally it looked fine were there guard, lip and wheel, but thats me - i try' to look under at that black plastic protection, but no marks ?
Anyone had this problem or similar ?

chicaboo
25-08-2005, 06:10 PM
Could be rubbing on the inside against the lower ball joint or one of the spring cradles?

WOO13Y
25-08-2005, 09:54 PM
i got 50mm low king springs and kyb sports shocks on 17 x 7.5 drops it to a nice height tyres just to the guard and brings my skirts to 65mm off the ground thats on a 99 bj1 1.8 litre it use to ride hard but u get use to it and it starts to feel to squishy and leany again on corners but handles like its on rails

BigMal
26-08-2005, 10:27 AM
I got special 75mm lowered whitelines with KYB sports have run both 17x7.5 and 18x7
mags without scrubbing only hitting bumpstops. Nobody has ever said 18's look stupid
on my car they fill up the wheel arches perfectly.

RogerRamjet
02-09-2005, 03:04 PM
if you think 18's look stupid than your stupid. there i said it.
(retaliation from an 18's owner)

just kidding, but seriously with the HUGE arches on astina's id get 20's if they were an easy fit