Converting hubs - 4stud to 5 stud

[Rupewrecht]

Hey guys, been thinking again (scary but true)

How hard would it be to convert the BA astina 1.8 wheels hubs (which are 4 stud pattern) to the BA V6 wheels hubs (which are 5 stud)

basically it come down to a set of wheels that i want only being available in 5 stud

now, logically it should just be a matter of swapping hubs, as i'd think that the mountings would be identical, yeah?

[MrShadow]

been thinking again (scary but true)



That's a bad habit to get into Dan. I'd stop doing it so much, might go blind you know?

Not that I'm planning doing this, but I'd like to know just for iterest

[BigBoyLemonade]

yeah thats one thing I have always wanted to do but there is another option... order the wheels in blank and have them drilled to suit... :wink: 8)

[Rupewrecht]

this is true, but i'm not sure if OZ Racing do that...but good idea!

actually, i'd guess not, when my bolt holes are cast into the design..

as i want these...in 19's....

http://www.oz-racing.de/felgen/38.jpg

[MrShadow]

Dan, they'd look awsome on the car. Might have to brush off my photoshop skills tonight

[BigBoyLemonade]

yeah they are nice!!! very nice!

I want these in 18's
http://www.tyres.com/upload_images/Trafficstar/DTS_silver.JPG

[BigMal]

Only problem I could think of would be driveshafts.
Suspect that the V6 would have different spline or larger.
Also when you take the brakes accross as well they were
made for ABS so not sure if there will be a problem with
sensors or extra brake lines that would need to be blocked
off unless you buy the ABS as well.

Not sure mate just plucking things out of my head that I
think could be different.

Mal

[MrShadow]

Better out of your head than out of your arse I suppose... :D

[CRA23]

hehehe i dont have that problem.......YEY for having a v6 :D and on the subject on mags ..i am gettin these in the next few months. i would love 18's but i can not afford the rubber :( but im gettin 17x7.5

http://fashionwheelwd.com/Manufactures/Zenetti/images/Tek%20Chrome%20Side.jpg

[BigMal]

I would wait another month and then buy the 18"s. The look is
much better with 18"s and the price diff between tyres is not
that much like $30 or $40 a wheel. Think 17"s are about $220
a tyre and $250 for 18"s.

Regards

Mal.

[mrpayner]

I like those rims too, Zinetti or something like that. I'd like them better if they didn't have that "diamond stud" thing happening down the middle spokes..... :(

Ah well

Adam

[BigBoyLemonade]

they are the same what was on ezzy in 19's

[EZZY]

they are the same what was on ezzy in 19's

not anymore tony. its on andrew's gsr (the yellow one from canberra).

as for the 4-stud to 5-stud, it can be done. just bite the bullet and get the hardware and start the conversion. it all depends on how much time and money you want to spend. just a word of advise, if your are sure of converting to a 5 stud hub, maybe its a good idea to pick a popular stud patter (im not sure of the stud pattern of the v6.....), so you get better selection of wheels later on (if thats what you are doing it for...)
good luck!

[BigMal]

Eric,
I think thats a pretty silly remark to make to Dan to just do
it and keep throwing money at it to make it work. I think Dan
has had to throw enough money at things to make them work recently.
I am sure he doesn't want to spend a lot of money just to make the
wheels fit.


Mal :?

[EZZY]

mal you have to be aware that custom work generally cost more time and money. i agree with you totally on why waste money when it is not necessay! in this case, it is converting a 4-stud system to a 5 stud system. we are talking about transfer items within mazda family here. i dare to say that at least 80% of the items can be transferred between a 4-cyliner and a v6, so with that in mind, how difficault is to make a v6 5-stud to fit onto a 4-cylinder astina? obviously it hasnt been done before, and it sure will cost a few more pennies. so based on these facts, i dont agree with your "silly remark" comments. pls remember, i have a business to run, so whats the point of me tell people silly things and make them to pay twice as much?!? i have advise all my customers that it is wise to do thing right the first time, why waste money for 2nd time (and im truely speaking for my personal experience here, and im sure all of you people here know exactly what im talking about), whether they spend $10 or $500 with me.

on the other hand, if dan wants to do this just to fit a set of wheels he likes, than thats his choice.

personally, there are 1000's of wheels out there to choice from and im sure somewhere out there there are a set of 4 x 100 stud wheels with similar design. but once again, we all know that dan likes OZ wheels... so the decision is enitrly upto him!

[BigMal]

I understand you have a business to run.
However when I read your two responses to Dan's question
of what he should be looking out for I see no factual information.
What I do read is you selling a process CUSTOM and CUSTOM = $$$
whether it be from your shop or someone elses.
I don't want to make a mountain out of this. I come here to the
forums to share and learn as I am far from a mechanic so when
I read a response to a request for information with no factual
input I think of it as a silly remark. Not to mention its telling a
guy thats probably spent a deposit for a house on his car in the
last 6 months to open blindly the cheque book again.

Anyway issue over.

Mal

[EZZY]

the first question dan asked was "how hard is it to convert....", instead of telling people that it is too hard and dont bother to do it because it will be custom work and probably going to cost a deposit on a new house is not how i response to these type of question(s).
there are two type of people modding cars, 1. the conservtive type which they are too scared to do anything and convert new ideas. 2. people who are willing to try new things and learn from it. im the 2nd type, which one are you? spending money is one thing, but spending it wisely is very difficult.

im not a mechanic myself either and i can not see the point of converting to a 5-stud becaue of wheel selection. on the other hand, we all know that dan is going for a bigger engine setup, therefore, based on that, i'd agree that a conversion is worth while, because there are alot more selections of 5-stud big brake kit out there which will fit on the car with minor mod (or even a direct fit). what's the point of having big horsepower when the car can not stop properly?

so going back on your "silly remark" issue, i still do not agree with you. just because someone approach things/think differently.

enough said and case closed. if you have other issues, take up with me offline.

[Rupewrecht]

I was just trying to get out of it with a minimum of cost really, as i've already had to spend too much fixing the trouble from things i bought.

but having said that, yes i intended to do further upgrade the brakes at the same time as the hub conversion. But that's quite a few months down the track anyway, as the whole jobs is going to cost a fair bit when I consider the new wheels and tyres also...

[BigMal]

If you are considering a brake upgrade consider talking to either
Racebrakes or Gavsport who do 330mm rotor packages with twin
spot callipers for around $1500 to $1800. The rotors are blank to
start with so you could either go 4 or 5 stud. You would still need
a 5 stud hub if you want to go that way. You wouldn't have to
worry about ABS stuff or any extra brackets to fit.

Something to think about.

Mal

[Rupewrecht]

Actually a few people have mentioned Racebrakes (a 'branch' here in Melb also) so once it's back on the road, i'll go and see them, as that seems pretty reasonable :)

hey Dogo don't want to sell your stockies do you? :wink:

[Cosmo Dude]

I've looked at the same swap. It would get me factory 16" wheels. The only drama is the axles on the V6 are larger than the I4. :)
Having new shafts made, passengers side diff to wheel and drivers side from the primary shaft to the wheel would do the job.
You will most likly get the ABS sensors with the wheel hubs :) resist the urge to plug them into the standard loom and gain ABS, I still have the Climate Control Curse hanging over my head :oops:

Now I'm all enthusiastic about it again.
Resist it :twisted:
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Rod

[Rupewrecht]

Hmm! interesteing - i wondered about driveshafts etc...

and ABS would be a nice bonus, i guess. but i've lived without so far

But seriously Rod, If you want to do this, maybe it'd work out better to get 2 done at the same time. Where would do it, for that matter?

[Cosmo Dude]

If you're seriously thinking about it then find the parts now, before the engine goes back in. It would be a real p@&*k of a job with the power-plant in the way :P
It is all in the service manual volume II (I have :D and can lend). You can check if wiring is insitue, from memory you will gain on the rear a sensor, uses a different disk and same calipers. On the front you get bigger disks and different calipers (helps fill those big rims and stop turbo charged engines) and sensors :wink:
I'd like to join you but I may need to swap the Astina for a Falcodore wagon in the near future due to a career upheaval. Mods are not on my priority list at present :x :x :x :x :x :x

[Rupewrecht]

Good point (about doing it now)...But unfortunately funds dont stretch that far right at the moment...dammit!

oh well, it's not like i need 19" rims... :roll:

But if i ever get around to doing it, i'll ask nicely to borrow your service manual please :)

[Cosmo Dude]

Yeh,
The money thing sux, I know that big time :evil:

One of my pet hates is undersized brakes behind big wheels, a 318i BMW with M3 wheels looks stupid. Or a Lancer MR with 17"s :lol: :lol: :lol:

My Rx-7 series II will get series V calipers and suitable disks and the 15" Cosmo rims. Sad thing is you can't see the brakes :cry:

When I put my foot on the brake I'll know that I will stop and that is the best feeling 8) 220kmh at the 100m mark at Calder front straight and nothing but firewall, that almost left a brown stain on the seat. Gotta have the woah to match the GO :oops:

Rod