Greece Aus Game

[AstinaBoiV6]

any 1 see the greece vs australia friendly soccer game 2nite.. was alrite i was surprised aus played that good.

FINAL SCORE

GREECE 0 - AUS 1

[CHiMPY]

I was more suprised with how badly Greece played.
The aussies definatly looked tired towards the end of the second half, all that training is taking it out of them.
Lets hope it pays off and they are super fit come June 12.

[BigMal]

Yeah they got tired in the end but they owned that game !!!

[AstinaBoiV6]

haha could it be because it was the Greek div 3 team playing vs Aus div 1 lol

[Ian]

yeah but greece is nuts about soccer - I would expect there 3rd div team to be able to play on the world stage as a 1st div team in any other country, save the other soccer-nuts countries like brazil or england.

[CHiMPY]

haha could it be because it was the Greek div 3 team playing vs Aus div 1 lol
You are a ****ing idiot.
That is all.

[Savvyfx]

You are a f*****g idiot.
That is all.

Agreed.

[AstinaBoiV6]

what what did i say.. well i know what i said but whats with the rudeness.??? u cant obviously take any offence from that or are u so sensitive little girl that u can. go in the corner and cry but y u have to wreck the thread.

[Ian]

South park summed it up real well when kyle said in the Timmy v Superman match:

"Im staying out of this one"

[CHiMPY]

what what did i say.. well i know what i said but whats with the rudeness.??? u cant obviously take any offence from that or are u so sensitive little girl that u can. go in the corner and cry but y u have to wreck the thread.
I am simply pointing out that based on what you said, you are a complete idiot.

[andrewgrazier]

ok ****ers
ABOUT ****ING TIME !!!! yeah we won a game who give a **** about the rest
this is better than a hell of a lot of the other times we dont even qualify!

[redrush]

Who cares it was a friendly, save the chit chat for the World Cup where there are NO excuses.

[AstinaBoiV6]

On topic: Yes its true the actual cup games count and then we can criticize and so on.. Yer big congratts on Aus finally making cup ay took u fellas long enuf :p i THink they gona have real tough games with brazil n japan (i think japs r in same draw).the thing is the aus team isnt experienced and they get real tired quick. i think they need to play a slower game with more passing and teamwork much like in the premier league (go chelsea)..

SOo who to support: since my country didnt make it for 1st time in friggin history then i have no 1 to support. so i mite support aus or japan as they really showing massive competition and i like theyr style of soccer, really great teamwork last world cup.

I am simply pointing out that based on what you said, you are a complete idiot.

off topic: oRly and just how do u make that out. do you have veriable proof or are u just talking from your ass as it seems to me like you are. im sorry i just spent the last 12 years playing soccer and come from a country where it is the main national sport jeez i must be talking alot of crap as i have no idea of the sport ay m8. ( notice greece had like half the team normally on bench playing) Im sorry if u cant take a joke (as it was just a bloody joke) as ur ass must be real tight as it didnt offend any1 else who has a sense of humour or atleast understood that it wasnt serious (i mean not even ian tried to burn me on this 1 and he normally does.. sorry ian no offence intended we just had our brushes in the past ay.. all sweet now bro). If u want to continue this please do so on msn or Pm not here. OO and no offence to all the australians i dont support greece or anything but that goal was like fluke.. good goal but i mean u dont see that in the A league and just seemed like he wasnt expecting it. half aus players are not even aus lol... but no offence ay im just stating facts not tryin to start crap ay...

I truly apologize for all this to every1 else im sorry u had to read these immature posts,,,, I hope you all tune in for the world cup :D

[CHiMPY]

<words supposed to be english..>

If/when you decide you would like to speak english I might justify my response.
Until then I will continue to say you are an idiot.

[AstinaBoiV6]

You Are A Idiot. And A Very Immature One At That. I Dont Just Go Randomly Calling Ppl Idiots

[Ian]

Disclaimer: I didnt do it!

Japan is fairly pro-soccer however... Their fairly nuts about it over there. Soccer and Baseball.

[Rupewrecht]

Children!

No need for that Chimpy. He made a valid comment, if a stirring one.



*I feel dirty for defending AstinaBoiv6

[Cosmo Dude]

I've worked in an evironment where the majority of people were greek and I am sure that if Greece had won then it would have been haled as the greatest victory since Alexander the Great. But they didn't so it's a scramble for the greek population to find any half assed excuse as to the loss.

Australia won there way through to the first round of the world cup (and is unlikely to go any further) so good on them. Greece didn't, get over it.

[CHiMPY]

No need for that Chimpy. He made a valid comment, if a stirring one.[/SIZE]

It was not valid.

9 of the 11 players that won Euro 2004 were in the greek side.

How does that make them a third string team?

[project.r.racing]

Yo peoples, we are not the UK, we are no in South America!!! Do not fight over the football, otherwise it's just the same **** that happens over there. Us Aussies are better than that.

Congrats to the Aussies for the win! :D

Ryan

[eyeq]

LOL who gives a rats arse its only fagsball anyway LOL one little touch and they go rolling and crying for mummy....
Now I have cast out the line lets see what I can catch :) :)

[Beckie]

South park summed it up real well when kyle said in the Timmy v Superman match:

"Im staying out of this one"

Im in agreeance with this statement :p
Staying out of it.

[Rupewrecht]

It was not valid.

9 of the 11 players that won Euro 2004 were in the greek side.

How does that make them a third string team?

Well it would have been valid if accurate.

Either way your reply was somewhat undeserved

[CHiMPY]

Looking back my reply was a little out of line, but his comment was wrong on so many levels at the time I felt my response was reasonable.

[project.r.racing]

LOL who gives a rats arse its only fagsball anyway LOL one little touch and they go rolling and crying for mummy....
I love my football, and I would kill you for that statement, (must be in the air!) But then when I think about it, it is true. I love the sport, I love the game. I hate the fake falls. Ruins a good game.

Ryan

[Ian]

I remember a certain high-profile player last year falling to the ground clutching his head after he was about to take a corner, the ball was passed to him and it hit him in the hip.

Do these guys have coaching lessons in how to take fake falls?

[AstinaBoiV6]

only the italians :p that mite sound racial but normally itallian players fall and stay down the longest in games.. on the other hand american and jap players get rite back up and dont even pleed for a foul. i like those games.

[pr1mo]

pearl harbour

[Savvyfx]

only the italians :p that mite sound racial but normally itallian players fall and stay down the longest in games.. on the other hand american and jap players get rite back up and dont even pleed for a foul. i like those games.

Well since you've played soccer for 12 years, you must know what it is like to be running for the ball. Then some twat start hanging off your shirt cause your faster than him and clipping your ankles. Sure your not able to fall over, but what he is doing is also illegal. So what do you do? Don't try and stumble next time he kicks your ankles, just let your self fall and get the free kick you deserve.

Now that I've said that, I hate people that dive, or dive in the box (EVEN MORE :mad: ).

Agree with what Chimpy said 100%. You've been spinning some crap this thread AstinaBoi. Even more than usual.

[AstinaBoiV6]

get over it bro every1 else has.. did i say i wont take the fall can u show me where i said it. i said some countries do and some dont. i try to keep running and use the shoulder. if sum1 clips my ankles sure i go down what else can u do. i cant bloody run on my hands, can u?

[BigMal]

So what do you do? Don't try and stumble next time he kicks your ankles, just let your self fall and get the free kick you deserve.


Nah you play any of the other codes using the oval ball and you rip that guys
head off next time he has the ball. What ever happened to shoulder barges ??
Showing my age but I never pulled a guys shirt or tripped him playing soccer I
shouldered barged him off the ball. I know it was the age when taking a knife
to school to sharpen your pencil or owning a slug gun didn't bat anyones eyelid
but it was sure more fun that watching dive after dive warranted or not.
You soccer guys should take a leaf from an aussie rules match there's frees
for tripping, pushing, holding etc but very few dives unless its a head high or
a push in the back and then that often comes unstuck.

[Savvyfx]

Nah you play any of the other codes using the oval ball and you rip that guys
head off next time he has the ball. What ever happened to shoulder barges ??
Showing my age but I never pulled a guys shirt or tripped him playing soccer I
shouldered barged him off the ball. I know it was the age when taking a knife
to school to sharpen your pencil or owning a slug gun didn't bat anyones eyelid
but it was sure more fun that watching dive after dive warranted or not.
You soccer guys should take a leaf from an aussie rules match there's frees
for tripping, pushing, holding etc but very few dives unless its a head high or
a push in the back and then that often comes unstuck.

O_o

Shoulder barges are illegal. You may bump someone while they are next to you. No run ups allowed. I went to school when taking a knife to school ment someone was likely to be stabbed. Shirt pulling has been going on since the dawn of the ages.

Aussie rules has some of the most inconsistant rules I know of. They seem to be taking a page from soccer's book with more and more dives. It's a silly game anyway.


get over it bro every1 else has..

You say Get over it, then continue the argument. Nice.


did i say i wont take the fall can u show me where i said it. i said some countries do and some dont. i try to keep running and use the shoulder. if sum1 clips my ankles sure i go down what else can u do. i cant bloody run on my hands, can u?

No, you didn't say you won't take the fall specifically, but you sure as hell implied it when you had comments about the Italians diving followed by a no offence. Then Japanese and US don't dive and you like those games. I got an impression you didn't fall over.

You use your sholder huh? When they are behind you holding on? Personally I try and hit their arms off most of the time.

I can run on my hands, it only takes a few feet of stumbling and you can keep running, but you've lost much ground and the ball by then.

[AstinaBoiV6]

i use my shoulder when thy're next to me and i have the ball or they have the ball just to try nudge them off it or to take controll. The no offence was implied to any italian readers who might think i was payin out on them. i like the jap n us games because theres no time wasting on fake injuries and crap like that which take away from the game. If they are behind me i also slap their arms off as thats just bad sportsmanship. i personally like to play a nice clean game which i why i started in the 1st place.

Ok lets all agree to disagree and end the crap talking ok?? :p

WHen the world cup starts i will create a thread with a poll and then whatever is said on that will stay in that thread like not carried over and such. so then u can talk as much smack as u want and no1 will take seriously. JUST RANDOM SOCCER FAN STUFF.

Ok till then we will be waiting :D

[Savvyfx]

Cool, and I'll create a thread where there can be serious discussion about the games etc.
No smack talk and just proper discussion, providing facts and giving opinions in a mature matter.

England for the World Cup 06

[AstinaBoiV6]

BAH JAPAN for the worldcup 06 (romania didnt make it :( )

[Ian]

BigMal: AFL and Soccer are completly different games. Tackeling and violence suits AFL, Soccer is more structured and introducing violence into it would destroy it.

I hate it when people say "Soccer is for whimps, they should all man up". Soccer is much, much older and bigger then AFL ever will be, its gota be doing something right if *half the world* stoped to watch the last grand final of the world cup. The rules say, we cant play with violence, and thats how the games played.

I have my own gripes about AFL, so I dont play it. I dont like the way the game is played, but thats fine, if other people do, they can play it.

[AstinaBoiV6]

heheh soccer used to be violent.. in acient days a simmilar version of the sport was played by kicking the decaputated heads of the enemy around. :D check history if u dun believe me :p

so there u go... soccer was violent but hey i like todays version better.. my head dont like bein kicked

[Ian]

no im pretty sure soccer originated with a leather ball in england somewhere a long time ago.

But I have never reasearched it. Its just common knowledge.

[papatonga]

England for the World Cup 06

The only chance that can happen is if Sven decides to play Crouch up front with Gerrard just playing behind him

Rooney is not fit enough to risk playing and IMO Beckham does not deserve a spot in the team anymore

[Ian]

beckham has been around for forever and a day hasent he?

Maybe hes getting on a bit?

[papatonga]

it's just that he doesn't offer anything to England that no one else can offer.

crossing....there is no real point as all of England's strikers are not formidable in the air.
set pieces....gerrard, lampard, rooney if fit

he does not offer any pace on the right where as Lennon does, as well as the ability to take on players

leadership....gerrard, terry. they are both natural leaders

i think he is just in there because of the revenue they can make

[BigMal]

BigMal: AFL and Soccer are completly different games.

Like Der !!!

Tackeling and violence suits AFL, Soccer is more structured and introducing violence into it would destroy it.

I hate it when people say "Soccer is for whimps, they should all man up". Soccer is much, much older and bigger then AFL ever will be, its gota be doing something right if *half the world* stoped to watch the last grand final of the world cup. The rules say, we cant play with violence, and thats how the games played.

I have my own gripes about AFL, so I dont play it. I dont like the way the game is played, but thats fine, if other people do, they can play it.

The Soccer for wimps is said cause the shoe fits. I have not spoken to a
single person, soccer luvers included who think that stage diving is not bad
for the game but nobody does anything about it. You can dislike AFL but at
least they change the rules to get rid of the bad elements eg you never see
kicking in danger anymore. They continue to change the rules each year to
make the game a better game. Same applies to the other oval ball codes.

[Ian]

Just remember: Soccer is the real football, the game that started all the other codes of football.

Most of thoes dives are worth several hundred thousand bucks a pop, as are the peanilities given against the diving players when its done. You gotta understand: Its not the game or the games rules thats causing the dives, its the preasure of "playing" at that level and the econimics involved. I saw several NSW players take rather... gentle hints from qld to go to ground in the final mins of State of Origin. Taking a dive is not unique to soccer and I daresay more then one profesional AFL player has done it before.

Soccer is a gentlemans game, competitive and intense however not dangerous. I think it should be left that way. For thoes people who desire to go and destroy each others brains and bodies on the feild, well good on them.

Also, changing a sport as old and widespread as soccer is costly, and dangerous. The fans and players both need to be convinced that its a good idea, and when you have three billion fans to convince instead of AFL's piddiling 2 - 3 million, you must pick your fights very carefuly.

[AstinaBoiV6]

South park summed it up real well when kyle said in the Timmy v Superman match:

"Im staying out of this one"


heheheh..... i agree with ur points but. :p

[bourbon]

Soccer is a gentlemans game

all i can say is if you want a gentlemans game go and play POLO...

hahaha...soccer isnt a gentlemans game...yes all sport codes have the dramatic players, its all apart of the game now days which sucks..when i used to play afl...in under 16s the coach was teachin how to fake and get free kicks...


but anyways people lets leave thisthread closed at australia won...it was a friendly game...nothing serious...settle down and just watch the game...you wont die if the team you go for loses...maybe unless if your a hippi with a gun :p haha

[AstinaBoiV6]

hahaha polo... man i seen some polo games. nothin gentleman bout that.. heaps of em get hit by the stick and ball lol. hmm perhaps pool is a gentlemans game.. snooker???

[Ian]

Astinaboi: When I said I was staying out of it, I meant I was staying out of the bitchfighting.

This is far from bitchfighting, its a discussion, and thats what forums are all about.

[AstinaBoiV6]

dude dude settle. :p were all gentlemen here rite? so any1 seen that movie "GOAL'' jsut saw it then.. pretty good i rekon for a soccer movie not about shaolin or bollywood. lol

[Savvyfx]

Why do people scream close the thread? The last few posts by Ian have been well structured, non offensive and has given an interesting view. Why would we close? And where does the settle down comment come from? He is settled.

[BigMal]

Just remember: Soccer is the real football, the game that started all the other codes of football.

Most of thoes dives are worth several hundred thousand bucks a pop, as are the peanilities given against the diving players when its done. You gotta understand: Its not the game or the games rules thats causing the dives, its the preasure of "playing" at that level and the econimics involved. I saw several NSW players take rather... gentle hints from qld to go to ground in the final mins of State of Origin. Taking a dive is not unique to soccer and I daresay more then one profesional AFL player has done it before.

Soccer is a gentlemans game, competitive and intense however not dangerous. I think it should be left that way. For thoes people who desire to go and destroy each others brains and bodies on the feild, well good on them.

Also, changing a sport as old and widespread as soccer is costly, and dangerous. The fans and players both need to be convinced that its a good idea, and when you have three billion fans to convince instead of AFL's piddiling 2 - 3 million, you must pick your fights very carefuly.


People can say your responses are well structured but they are still a huge
pile of crap. Saying that soccer is the original game is meaningless. The
game is there for the fans. If anything stage diving is a discrace to the
heritage of soccer. All top level athletes are under pressure so to say that
that is an excuse for unsportsmanlike conduct is like condoning steroids
or knobling another ice skaters legs. I understand why athletes try it and
its always cause they think they can get away with it. Thats where the
the governing bodies need to stamp it out by enforcing rules. Other bodies
like the World Cricket Assoc can make changes easily enough same as most
other codes of football so its just anal retentiveness on the part of the
Soccer Federation not to do so. Personally I blame the fans. Instead of
complaining about how non soccer lovers think its gay fairy stage diving you
actually accepted there was a problem and complained to have it fixed the
sooner it would be stamped out. It wasn't to hard to convince a billion
addicted indians and pakistani's what constitutes a chuck when effort was
applied.

Finally the whole gentlemans game and contact remarks. I was only stirring
when I said rip his head off but there should still be contact is soccer the same as
there is with basketball or polo or hockey or even netball. You dont see the
chicks taking a dive when they are wrestling for the ball do you... I think
watching the hockeyroos has more testosterone in it than a soccer match
and not cause of the woody I had watching all the leggy blondes running
around in those short skirts...:)

[Ian]

Bigmal, Ease up on the throttle there big guy, deep breaths, breath easy.

I didnt condone the diving anywhere, I meerly said the explination was to be found in the corperate side of the game rather then the games rules itself. Some of thoes teams have more money then some of the Australian codes of football. Some of thoes players wages could sponsor an entire club over here. Winning means they continue on thoes conditions, loosing will eventually mean the chop, then theres the sponsorship issues and the non inconsiderable lump-sums given for an important win. Then there is the religious fans such as the brazilians that will literally mob you if you loose or stuff it, who dont care if you do the dirty to win so long as you win.

Im not saying its justiforcation, but the problem lies in the corperate leadership, not the players.

And why do games need testosterone?

[BigMal]

And why do games need testosterone?

If you dont know why, there's not point me explaining. Like me trying to
explain muff diving to a gayboy.....

As for easing up this has been all fun for me have had a smile every post.
You should see me then when I am actually agro about something.

I do notice you keep finding excuses for it. If there was a one week boycott
by fans to stay at home and not go to the games and watch on tv instead,
the speed at which the "Corporate Leadership" would make changes would
astound you. But then again soccer fans dont know what balls are do they..

[AstinaBoiV6]

i hope every1 is aware that every1 else who posted here is not mad at any1 else. (if that made sense) :D This is a discussion and no 1 should feel threatened or abused or anything like that. evey1 can write their opinions and the rest should feel free to discuss their view.

So remember as BIGMAL said "we have a smile every post".

[Savvyfx]

I don't think he's finding an excuse, merely explaining why it is so. And they are valid reasons, and changing it is not as simple as changing the rules, the rules already state you can't dive.
It's been tossed around the thought of video evidence, but there are problems with that too. What do you do, fine the player? Money isn't usually the problem. Seeing a dive isn't the easiest thing too. A player may dive when he is clipped on the ankles, or get a clip that the camera doesn't pick up the best, and he is penalised. The game is so fast paced, its really hard for the ref to see what is a dive and what isn't.

It's hard to explain it to the typical Australian, because they're never going to understand it. Most people stereotype the game, when they don't usually have a clue about how it is played at all.

[Ian]

If you dont know why, there's not point me explaining. Like me trying to
explain muff diving to a gayboy.....

Please, do repeat the games lack of manlyness to the "girly" English soccer fans.



But then again soccer fans dont know what balls are do they..

Again, repeat in a sports bar in england.

This is worse then the drible astinaboi posted earlier. Take a bow bigmal, I didnt think you the type.

Just like you "explaining muff diving to a gayboy", me explaining this to you would be like me trying to explain physics to a brick wall.

[boostedbatman]

The only thing I take offence to is the comment that soccer is a gentlemans game
WTF
I played first division 'football' here in Queensland up until 2002 and let me tell you that I have received more bad injuries from the games contact than I ever did in league or AFL
AFL was a close second but believe me soccer is not a gentlemans game
Any one wish to go and have a kick with me someday
I pronmise to be gentle :rolleyes:
Soccer and AFL cop injuries from 360 degrees of impacts
League cops it from mainly 120 degrees
But trust me if you are a gentleman there is no place for you in top class football

[BigMal]

Ian
I will make this my last post as you seem to be taking this a bit more seriously
than me. Firstly I have quite a few english friends I used to work for British
Telecom in sydney and it was a magnet for new-import poms to try and get
a job at and I gave it to them harder about stage diving than I have on here.
Anybody who knows me knows I say what I think and am still living to tell the
tale.

As for your brick wall comment thats funny.
If you actually read your arguments its all hearsay and supposition on your
part. If you were using indisputable facts then you could try calling me thick
but since its just your assumptions, I think they call minorities who dont
undertand why others dont think the same as them ignorant....

[arden]

The only thing I take offence to is the comment that soccer is a gentlemans game
WTF


Indeed a VERY BIG FAT WTF Mr Batman!

[Savvyfx]

Ian
I will make this my last post as you seem to be taking this a bit more seriously than me. Firstly I have quite a few english friends I used to work for British Telecom in sydney and it was a magnet for new-import poms to try and get a job at and I gave
it to them harder about stage diving than I have on here. Anybody who knows me
knows I say what I think and am still living to tell the tale.

As for your brick wall comment thats funny.
If you actually read your arguments its all hearsay and supposition on your part. If
you were using indisputable facts then you could try calling me thick but since its
just your assumptions, I think they call minorities who dont undertand why others
dont think the same as them ignorant....

Who would be the minority?

[Ian]

Okey, when I say gentlemans game I dont mean "Ho old boy, cup of tea chappy", I mean its more... civil. I played soccer for a long peroid of time (dont recall how long, 5+ years) when I was younger and IIRC the players I played both with and against on average were smarter, nicer friendlier blokes then the full-contact sports players.

And its hard bigmal to not take things seriously when my sport is likened to a night at the whickam. (Ask the Brisbane members for an explination, however it should be fairly evident).

This is an age old and endless rivalry between the codes: Soccer vs AFL, AFL vs Rugby, Rugby vs Rugby, Everyone vs the yanks (basket/base ball). Everyone has their prefered code or game, and everyone thinks the other is bad/gay/whatever. Personally, I think its questionable about two large groups of men running around in short shorts trying to grab a hold of each other, esp. AFL, but thats no different then what you think about soccer and our cry-baby antics (Which is all,IMO, at the end of the day, for a buck.)

Can I back what I say up about the corperate preasures? No, not really. Who could say for certain if I was right or not. Personally I think it has a large influence on on-feild escapades, and the larger the corperate body behind the sport, the larger the antics. Soccer, being the biggest and therefore the richest, cops it the worst, because every sponsor wants to sponsor the winning team, not the loosing one.

Besides, its not like AFL/Rugby is without its problems. Their players have an aweful habit of getting smashed and getting on the wrong side of the law, and alot of the time it has to do with women (Or, in one special case, other players) and abuse. Some of them, no doubt, are golddiggers trying to cash in on the megabux sports stars all apparently have, but a large majority of them would be for real, and thats really why I consider soccer to be more of a gentlemans game: I cant recall hearing about a soccer player ever sexually (or otherwise) assaulting someone. (Im sure its happened somewhere, but its not a regular thing or ongoing problem).

And as to taking this seriously, not really, I just get bored at work and have too much spare time (I really have to wounder why they hired two of us, one of us would of gotten the job done fine, but we both spend alot of time twiddeling our thumbs now. I sense its going to get vicious when it comes round to contract renewal time, its gona be on!).

[BigMal]

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Firstly Savvyfx the minority was Ian and all the other soccer fans who cant see
the forrest for the trees. They remind me of the Amish stuck back in time where
to change a single rule is like heracy requiring burning at the stake.

I actually like soccer, played it as a kid, son plays it now. We sat down and
watched a U17 game couple of weeks ago and it was riviting to watch and not
a single dive in it. I understand that the dive is used to gain a tactical
advantage it doesn't take a rocket scientist on that one. But if you made it a
penalty to do a dive accross the board then there is no commercial concerns
as everybody loses the advantage and also everybody benefits. With the
current system you get a goal from a penalty from a dive. The other team will
adopt similar tactics to try and recover the goal they lost and its a self
purpetuating cycle. The reason non soccer fans are so adament is the answer
is simple its right there in the forrest in front of you.

You cant be a true Queenslander then Ian. I am an ex Jo Bejelki offspring
growing up on pumpkin scones, everything was cheaper and we played all
3 codes at school. Took me ages to understand the single code mentality
of inbred NSW and Mexicans. I knew about it with the Vics as the QAFL
teams couldn't play in the VFL but nothing prepared me for rural NSW in the
80's. The look of confusion/amazement on the other kids at school that I
could drop punt a ball 50-60m and land on the chest of the guy at the other
end and then the condemnation cause I used to play "Fairy Ball"

But you have to give it to both the other codes League and AFL since the
80's they have continued to improve and become more exciting games whereas
soccer has done the reverse. Watching the SBS special on Argentina during
the 70's and 80's world cups with Pele etc was much better watching than
watching recent games.

[papatonga]

bigmal:
They have changed many rules before in soccer. The major one being the offside law now that a player is deemed offside only if he/she is interfering with play....(much more to it)

i know what you are saying, but im hindsight every has the ability to be a genius. Sometimes, it is just too plain hard to determine what is a dive and what is not. There are consequences that 'divers' face. They gain a reputation and sooner or later they will be worse off for it. I myself hate diver's and wish they had never set foot on the pitch

Players that dive will eventually get rubbed out of the game, but it is due to the reputation they get from doing it week in week out.

All codes have good and bad characters and moments and so on. But football/soccer has stood the test of time and it is unlikely that things will change, mush to the dislike of some others.

[BigMal]

"Sooner or later they are worse off" you mean dying of old age yeah !!!
Whats the worse that can happen the other team gets the ball. Its not like
it happens in the defensive half whereby the other team would have a shot at
goal or anything but its cool I dont really care I was just in it for the debate :)

[Savvyfx]

The worse that could happen is a yellow card. I've seen it happen plenty of times. The problem is, as papatonga and I have both highlighted, that it is not so easy to ping someone for diving. You are effectively calling them a cheat, and you wouldn't want to get that call wrong.


Firstly Savvyfx the minority was Ian and all the other soccer fans who cant see
the forrest for the trees. They remind me of the Amish stuck back in time where
to change a single rule is like heracy requiring burning at the stake.

Technically you'd be the minority.

[eyeq]

Eric Canternar now theres a real gentlemen .
Those soccer players are so above the other sportsmen of those thug sports.
Those no idea brainless gits ,if only they were smart enough they could get into a sport that if you lose its the end of the world and in some cases the end of your life.
I went to enough soccer matchs when I lived in England to know there is no such thing as a gentlemen in the game of soccer,yeah its a sport of great talent but its also a sport of solmen doing it for themself .
There is no such thing as a team player at the top lever of this sport and if you think this makes some one a gentlemen ,well the true meaning of sprotsmen is lost forever.
I was a professional sportsmen until 2001 and at professional level sport of any kind there is no such thing as a gentlemen .
All sports have there place and from a sporting point of view they are all great for different reasons...................

[boostedbatman]

P.s. Its Eric Cantona
As I previously stated I played First Division for many years and I too agree there is no place for a dive (believe me I used to get in trouble for it) I would jump back up and hunt them down asap and steal the ball from them as I grinned at them on the flat of their back.
So there is no place for diving...................aggreed
But its fine to head stomp in Rugby and Spear Tackle in League but what am I concerned about here diving from a "FOUL" is the worst thing in the world
I will now write a nasty lettter to FIFA

BTW Eric Cantona in full gentleman guise http://www.pitchpr.com/pub/images/eric_cantona_small.jpg
And if he doesn't like your sideline comments
http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~cduncan/old/images/cantona.gifhttp://www.uit.no/mancity/pictures/cantona2.jpg

[ATOMIC]

Hiya!

[AstinaBoiV6]

hahah here is some soccer violence for u fans out there.. I found these 2 videos pretty funny some of the hits.

http://my.break.com/Media/View.aspx?ContentID=105417&ChannelName=movies

http://my.break.com/Media/View.aspx?ContentID=105413&ChannelName=movies