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project.r.racing
08-06-2006, 06:09 PM
As a few of you may know, my wife and I have been seperated on and off for some time now. A little history: -

March 2002 – I met Bec on the side of the road at the local car hang out spot. She owned a white 1995 323 Astina BA hatchback with front lip, side skirts fitted, and lowered 60mm, stereo. She had her 2 year old son Josh with her. She was wearing a sexy white bikini top and I was like wow! She is so hot. I wanted so bad to be with her.
April 2002 – We started hanging out together a lot.
May 2002 – I started falling in love with her, I thought it was way too early but could not stop those feelings I had. I didn't know how to verbalize it to her. I didn't think she was interested in me.
June 2002 – We kissed for the 1st time. We were together 2 days later.
August 2002 – I moved in with her and her son Josh.
Feb 2003 – Asked her to marry me on Valentine's Day. She said yes.
April 2003 – Supported her with a Domestic Violence Order case with Josh's abusive father. I endured personal threats and protected her from her ex and his friends, (I have never told her about these threats towards myself or herself.) He never showed up to the hearings and a 50m no go zone was issued.
August 2003 – Supported her through contact and residency issues with Josh's abusive father. Again I was threatened by her ex and his friends, (and again I never told her to protect her from fear.) He never showed up to multiple court hearings and hasn't see Josh since her was 3 years old.
January 2004 – We found out that Josh's father had gone bankrupt and left Bec with a $3,500 debt that he hadn't paid off. We had to sell her beautiful car to cover it. I supported her by allowing her to use car to get around.
February 2004 - Bec lost her job, we agreed that she wouldn't look for work until after wedding.
April 2004 - I married Bec on the 04/04/2004, was an awesome day, best of my life. Work had given me written warnings regards performance, was very stressed out. Was having money troubles after the wedding. Then asked Bec to go find job asap, and she said she didn't want to.
May 2004 - Having marital/money problems, always fighting over jobs/money/parenting etc. Then Bec fell pregnant. (May have been on purpose, still don't know as of yet.)
June 2004 - Asked Bec for abortion due to marital problems. (Something I regret and still beat myself up today over.)
August 2004 - Bec kicked me out of home due to her not feeling that I was respecting her, spending too much time with friends, etc.
September 2004 - We worked every thing out, starting to look at moving into new place together and starting a whole new life.
October 2004 - I got scared about being kicked out again and pulled out of looking into a new place with Bec.
November 2004 – I verbalized my offer to help with Zofia's birth. (Later she rejected this offering.)
January 2005 - Zofia Isabella Hopcott was born. (Not my surname but her maiden name used, not happy about that!) Bec didn't tell me until the next day. Upon returning home, Bec wouldn't allow me to help with or see Zofia. She stated that I didn't wanna help her through the pregnancy and that I was abusive to her, so therefor I didn't deserve to see her.
Feb 2005 - Bec still wouldn't allow me to see Zofia, many fights occurred, the Police were called on 1 occasion. Bec moved to new place without informing me. I found out through a friend she had so. Came to a decision that it would be best if I walked away from the whole ugly situation and to never see them again.
April 2005 - First wedding Anniversary. Got depression over everything that had happened. Was missing Bec and the kids. Anti-depression medication prescription given to me for depression.
August 2005 - After a long and hard decision, I contacted Bec for the 1st time in 5.5 months. We decided to met each other again.
September 2005 - Started a relationship with Bec. Lasted 3 weeks. She pulled out of it due to being scared.
October 2005 - Another 3 week relationship.
December 2005 - Another 3 week relationship, ended 6 days before Christmas. I missed Zofia's 1st Christmas. Admitted to dating while separated earlier in the year. She was not happy.
January 2006 - Zofia's 1 st birthday, wasn't allowed to see her on the day. I missed it. 3 weeks later, asked me to get back with her.
February 2006 - Valentine's Day she told me that she wanted me forever, she loved me, asked me to put her wedding rings back onto her finger.
March 2006 - 3 weeks later, she asked me to be honest with her regards other girls, so I admitted to kissing 1 of the girls I dated while separated. Called me a cheater and used it as an excuse to start dating new boyfriend. She broke up with me the day after their 1st date. Again she started to stop allowing me to see the kids.
April 2006 - Saw kids for 1.5 hours at Josh's soccer game. There was no other contact with my children other than that in the month.
June 2006 - Contacted her for 1st time in 5 weeks. I told Bec I wanted to be more than friends but wouldn't let it interfere with our current situations. She was still with current boyfriend at this stage. She broke up with him 2 days later. Said she didn't love him. But she loved me, she had been thinking about me for some weeks previous.

Today 2006 – Now she tells me she loves me, wants to have another child with me , wants to spend the rest of my life with me. Want do I do?

1.Say YES - Just let it happen.
2.Say NO - Send her packing forever, never to return.
3.Say YES- Drag her through hell and back to prove she loves me.
4.Say NO - Be friends and maybe something will happen later on.

Points to note: - I still love her. I do not trust her. I love my children. I still think about her sexually. I still feel warmth in her arms. I'm scared of being hurt/dumped again by her. I am still bitter about the boyfriend thing.

What should I do?

LYNX
08-06-2006, 06:26 PM
umm shouldn't you be answering this yourself? we can only give you advice we cant make the decision for you but thats gonna be a hard choice. im gonna go with NO4 but then im not to expereinced with relationships mine never last longer

bourbon
08-06-2006, 06:26 PM
hey man...sticky situation you got here...my heart feels for you man...seein as you still love her it will be hard to be friends...but maybe thats the best way for you two to prove that you really wanna be with each other and build up all your trust again...you have a right to feel bitter bout the bf thing as she did it as an act to get you pissed off/jelous...

from hearing how fast you two started dating, then gettin married i would give the advice on taking it slow...seein as the divorce went through, maybe its time to start from complete scartch...time will only heal things and maybe you two can be as one...

hope this has helped...im pretty sure theres alot of people here willing to help...if you need a weekend away from things you no who to contact ( me :p ) im sure we can get drunk...

if ya need anythin drop a line...

talk to ya later mate...hope all goes well and all the best for the future

Rupewrecht
08-06-2006, 06:41 PM
Whoa that's a hard one. Only you know what you're feeling right now, and it's hard when she's hurt you before. I think trust is one of the most important things in a relationship, and you two need to work one it. It's obvious she cares about you, but from what you're said she just gets scared and can't commit when it gets serious. These are just my impressions from your side so it's hard to say (as always) for sure. But if it's meant to be, it'll work out. I'd say give it time, but you have, and you still feel the same about her. But i'd take it real slow - it's all you can do until there's trust again. Good luck, man.

SehnKhan
08-06-2006, 06:42 PM
You don't need AstinaGT for this, you need a Marriage Counselor. Sorry bud, would like to offer some advice to help you make the best decision, but that's best left for someone qualified who specialises in issues such as these.

I wish you all the best, but I think you're looking to the wrong crowd for advice on something as significant as this. But we'll be supportive of you the whole way.

chicaboo
08-06-2006, 07:01 PM
The lack of trust issue on both sides dooms any sort of permenant relationship. Maybe you should work on being amicable friends first, so you can spend quality time with your child(ren). Then perhaps if time mends old wounds, you might be able to explore a more mature and responsible relationship together.

I agree with hairy Nate, take it slow, and let things develop again like it did back in the beginning. You had almost a year of quality time together before financial burdens after marriage. Which brings me to this thought, I am scared by the idea of you having another child to her, one child support payment is enough to cripple you, two can finish you off...

I do not speak from experience,
Gav.

Cosmo Dude
08-06-2006, 07:27 PM
I don't care!!!

Sell her on e-bay, take a look at your self, fit a 2 1/4 exhaust and wider tyres.

CAR forum not CARE forum.........................

ATOMIC
08-06-2006, 08:01 PM
I don't care!!!

Sell her on e-bay, take a look at your self, fit a 2 1/4 exhaust and wider tyres.

CAR forum not CARE forum.........................

"Lounge - Car and Off-Topic Discussion."

illusivedreams
08-06-2006, 09:49 PM
My friend be carefull and dont let her manipulate you as she has...

it is my impression that she thinks she always has you as a fail safe..Makes sure she relises that you will not simply always be there for her that her input love and effection is required to make relationship workk...

A marrige is two complete people joining together ...

She sounds like a kid.....And using the threat of kids as a weapon is bitterly disgusting... Its just low......

Weigh things up make sure you get what you give...if not she is not worth it..

Good Luck Vadim

Ian
08-06-2006, 10:06 PM
Mate I dont know how qualified I am to advise here however:

She has given you nothing but trouble. From what I know of you, your a peaceful bloke whod never hurt anyone. Shes taken your time, your money and your happiness.

That being said, if you love her, and you truely do, you need to sort something out with her, tell her that enoughs enough, marrage is marrage and to stop flip floping. So you dated other chicks after she left you... What does she expect, for you to sit on your hands and wait for her to come back because thats what you were put on this earth to do?

Another child with her is bad news at the moment. Two is enough and normally id say you two shouldnt be having children until there is a much more stable enviroment, both with money an relationships. Think of what your exposing the children too (im sure you have - many times, im sure you have.)... Do you really want to bring a 3rd child into that?

If you want to have lots of children go for it! Have a whole brood! Breed an army! But do so once your capable of supporting them both finically and emotionally.

Dude honestly, your a top bloke, you deserve to be treated a whole hell of alot better then your currently getting. I think theres no walking away from this now that children and marrage is involved, however prehaps its time to cut the losses?

You need some sort of guarantee that shes not going to do this to you again man.

Thats my input. I hope it helps.

Asterix
08-06-2006, 10:52 PM
Dude, be careful there.
You both sound mixed up, but (although it's only your side0 she sounds mixed up more so.

Tread lightly and don't think another child will help the situation - track record in this thread says things get messy easily.

I would seriously consider thins before I got too close again. Sounds like there a re trust issues which is a BIG problem in any relationship!

usually I would say cut ties/losses and start a fresh, but kid/s put a whole new perspective on things.

...

Like others said, your call man.

AstinaBoiV6
08-06-2006, 11:14 PM
Wow ryan i never thought that kinda stuff happnd to decent people. but ther u go..
Id say im least to give advice but from what i read i will just say what im feeling atm.

You sound like a nice bloke and a good friend. To me it looks like you didnt do anything wrong (from what i read). It was very decent of u to actually begin a relationship with a woman who had a child (what do we call those again? :p) its something that most would have walked away from but u stepped up. I can see that you really care about the kids and Bec. So here goes:

She obviously thinks of you as some1 that will always be there to bounce back to. thats not kool. she might genuinly have feelings for you who knows. But she cant treat a human being like that its just wrong. M8 it sounds like you deserve better, you need sum1 who will be there through the ups and downs because tahts what marrige is all about(correct me if im wrong). and running away from you and not allowing you to see your own flesh and blood is the most selfish thing. Im not sure but u must be pretty tough if this might be dejavu in the future.

So in conclusion. the decision is up 2 u, i strongly suggest if you do get back together u seek professional help because the problem wont fix itself. You cant be her scapegoat. I think if you decide to give it another shot then be friends and then bf/gf for a long long time untill you are both ready both physically/mentally and financially.
Best of luck bruda.

pS: do you also think about me sexually :p (its a joke obviousley)

Cincinnatus
08-06-2006, 11:57 PM
Freinds, please try and display a little sensetivity when posting a reply here. You're talking about a mans wife here, separated or not, show a little respect please.

TStar
09-06-2006, 12:21 AM
1st of all, make sure that Zofia is actually your child.

boostedbatman
09-06-2006, 02:42 AM
Ryan
I wouldn't worry about having a relationship at this point
From what I see, unless you guys have been in one of the many dating circles you havent had access to your daughter
Can you be able to see your daughter if the two of you arent in a relationship??
That would be the first thing I would want proof of!
She needs to know that your daughter is not leverage
Ask yourself one question
If Zofia was never born and she put you through the trauma that she has would you stilll want to be with her
I applaud you for wanting to accomodate this idea for Zofias sake but you cant 'make' a relationship work just to be a dad to your daughter
You really need to work out alternate arrangements that allow you to be a great father

And thats the best thing you can do for Zofia

zerwex
09-06-2006, 09:47 AM
It's hard to give a good advice on this one..
But I can tell you what (I think) I would have done in such a situation..

First of all, no more children with Bec.

And since there seems to be some serious trust issues...

Make sure Zofia really is your daughter.
If she isn't - Spend time with your friends and get over Bec. Start dating other girls.
If she is (which she probably is) - Try to arrange a deal so you can see Zofia and be a good father to her without having to be in a relationship with Bec. Try being friends, but nothing more.

If there's no possibility to arrange such a deal - I really don't know.. try seeking professional help.

But that's just my opinion and we all think different.
At the end you are the one that will have to decide what to do.
Good luck, hope it ends well.

MAztinA 323
09-06-2006, 10:49 AM
hey man, sorry to her about whats happened latley! i think its great your letting us in on this-doesnt matter so much about if this is a car forum or whatever-this is much more important! but we can only give you advice, u hav to make the decision

i am 19 and a couple of years ago i dated a chinese chick 4 years older than me for a few months, then we stopped cause i know it wouldnt work in the end (age difference), but i wanted her back! so 6 months later i asked her to my year 12 formal and she came along. a week later we sort of 'went out' for a week, then stopped. another couple of months later i wanted her back again! but i knew this had to stop- i didnt want my emotions to rise up and down all the time, so i decided i would stop and a while later she moved (from sydney) to melbourne where she is now.

NOW im starting to date this korean chick who i know i shouldnt be! cause she is also a little older :p (i mean i could, but from previous experience i just know it wont work), so ive gotta try to stop that (as hard as it is!)

all im trying to say is that maybe my example can sort of relate to your situation.... you have kids and i know (not from personal experience) that they must mean the world to you! but i think its probably best to just leave her once and for all!! put a stop to it all! (but still see the kids). it'll be so much better in the long run~

and hey, ill also be praying for u man! i believe god can completely reverse any situation! and i know he has great plans for your life!! (and everyone elses :P )

dan~

project.r.racing
09-06-2006, 04:12 PM
cheers to everyone that helped and gave advice. i'm not looking for clear cut answers but some perspective on the situation.

Bec and I have seen a counciller before and it worked really well. but the mind games/being scared etc still happened.

For the record - she asked for a divorce and now has contacted the courts and cancelled the application for divorce.

ryan

Melbastina
09-06-2006, 04:33 PM
Be careful, sounds like neither of you are really ready to jump back into a relationship....

I cant really offer you any definitive advice because you have to make your own choice, but if it was me I'd be staying away from committing to an intimate relationship with her. I'd do my best to stay part of her life for the sake of the kids, but thats about it.

BJ BoI
09-06-2006, 04:57 PM
I really feel for you mate, I have been in a relationship quiet similar ,-kids and -marrage, how ever when you are with someone that will play head games with you it makes it truly had to be able to trust them, you feel decieved, cheated, and manipulated, that with the addition of your love for her is what makes this an extremly difficult situation.

My advice is to look after your self first, tell bec that you need (ALOT of) time to build up your trust for her and that see needs time to truly respect and be greatful for you, in the mean time let her know that you need to be able to see your kids on a regualr basis to build a relationship with them, and once that relationship is formed then maybe you can renew your relationship for each other piece by piece as a WHOLE family. this is just advice but still i hope i helped!

My thoughts are with you and your family and i hope with time and the support of the many mates you obviously have here that you can work you way through it. look after yourself

LordWorm
09-06-2006, 05:04 PM
I'd say take it slow ... wouldnt move straight back into the living together...

do the dating thing, offer to babysit for her when you can (added bonus being, get to spend time with your kids)...living together puts INSTANT strain on relationships because theres a whole pile of other things (bad habits, no free space etc) into the equation..if things are rocky, best not to add fuel to the fire so to speak.

but yeh, take it slow, see where it goes...

mazdamanik
10-06-2006, 07:20 AM
Its better to have loved and lost then never to have loved at all...not the easiest thing to do when you love someone, but sometimes leaveing them for good ends up the best thing you can do. Personally if you love her that much and the love is returned then im sure you can both work out somthing, love can conquer the most difficult things if you want it to, be positive and really have some good long talks work out wats happening, also personally id stay away from the kid idea until u both settle in abck on ur feet and the relationship is strong enough so that you can both manage the stress

geetee
10-06-2006, 10:48 AM
Theres 2 important things that make a good marriage.
Love and trust.
Once these 2 things are well and truly established, everything else will fall neatly into place.
Money worries will never help, but if you can love and trust each other then its easier to sort all the "little" problems out.
Help each other through stressful times, rather than arguing about it.
And never keep secrets from her, keeping secrets will ultimately lose trust if she or you find out.

I've been married 13 years, got 2 great kids, and couldn't be happier.

I blame it all on love and trust!!!

good luck. ;)

Noble323
10-06-2006, 12:46 PM
Hey,

The advice that i can give you, judging what i have read :
(please dont take it the wrong way, even if i sound harsh)

Okay judging from it all it sounds like your in love badly, which is good and bad at the same time, when you meet up with her after a couple of on and off relationship with her - how do you act to her ? By that i mean im picturing that she has you by the finger or your the one who's lovey-dubby to her, if it was me i'd be acting like that i dont need her, but she needs me, i mean be true to her and everything but not too-too much love if she isnt doing the same.

Like i said be true to her, i can tell that your already are, but remember being ture to her with EVERYTHING is not always right.

Regarding about the kids, well thats a hard question to answer for anybody honestly cause what ever you do even if its all good, it all depends on the mother, if she says no, then its no, i dunno what you can do about that regarding courts but i doubt you wanna go that far.

Just a question for - all this time since you originally broke-up from August 2004 i think it was, on how much times you have been calling her, has she ever called you in 2005 and 2006 ? And if she did was it about getting together ? Maybe a personally question, if you dont wanna answer its okay, but for you to know if she did or didnt how shes like, which bring me to say this :

Honestly i have a feeling you do wanna be with her and dont at the same time, you from all people should know how she's like - i personally think it would work out for a couple of weeks or maybe months, but the you'll be the same with break-ups and how it now is.

I Know its very hard, but maybe seprate ways is the best, and regarding kids thats the worst position you can be in. But maybe honestly if you take it VERY VERY SLOW, dont rush things and dont say "yes" to everything she tells you - cause you wanna keep her happy, just be yourself and act as if you have been married for 6yrs.

Sorry if its not much help, but this decision is all you, i know how it feels cause you probably dont have anyone to talk too ? or maybe you do, but honestly good luck with everything and what you decide, but keep in mind how she is and how you feel about her, cause no - one really chages alot.

Noble323
10-06-2006, 12:49 PM
That being said, if you love her, and you truely do, you need to sort something out with her, tell her that enoughs enough, marrage is marrage and to stop flip floping. So you dated other chicks after she left you... What does she expect, for you to sit on your hands and wait for her to come back because thats what you were put on this earth to do?

Another child with her is bad news at the moment. Two is enough and normally id say you two shouldnt be having children until there is a much more stable enviroment, both with money an relationships. Think of what your exposing the children too (im sure you have - many times, im sure you have.)... Do you really want to bring a 3rd child into that?

I Agree !

project.r.racing
10-06-2006, 07:53 PM
a decission i have made...
to only date her for now, to see her only on weekend and maybe once through the week, tell her not to fcuk me around anyone, tell her i will not allow kids to be used against me.

LordWorm
10-06-2006, 08:01 PM
a decission i have made...
to only date her for now, to see her only on weekend and maybe once through the week, tell her not to fcuk me around anyone, tell her i will not allow kids to be used against me.
Good stuff..how'd she take the news?

You need to rebuild the trust...and that'll take time...whatever you do please resist the temptation to move back in with her...because if you do, i'd bet my last dollar you'll be back here with a simillar thread in 12 months time...

You'll prob find it refreshing to just be dating her, it'll be all new again and what not...

well done mate...best decision you could have made for yourself, imho

MrShadow
15-06-2006, 05:40 PM
Mate, all the best. I've only just come across this thread but it looks like you've already made up your mind. It's really nice to see that even on a forum such as this (a car forum) we can discuss things like this... It's one of the friendliest forums I've ever been on.

Once again, all the best and as just about everybody has said, we're here for you!

stock is best
03-10-2008, 10:35 PM
Ok, just move on....i know its a cliche' but if u dont trust her u cant possibly have a commited relationship. It will just decay from the inside out, every time she's out u'll think about what she's doing n with whom....Either way you're going to get hurt, but alot of pain now could save you (and your child) years of heartache and confusion later on. Sure she'll always b the mother of your kid, but that's all she should be. It sounds to me like u like the idea of her more then her as an actual person...She's familiar and u find comfort in that..You have to move on from her, but still try and see your child. Goodluck :)

rodhog
04-10-2008, 01:20 AM
Sounds better already.

Ah Just going add my bit. - yeah I'm no Married man - But I know many and I know many women who say they are married and I know every in and out. But I'm currently on the back end of of many a family court session.

Look IMO
the most important issue is YOUR CHILD ( don't get this the wrong was is it your child - I've been told I'm the father I laughed and well I knew I was right because I ain't Dark or Red headed or even Big nosed)
But your relationship with your child is what you want.
Now you need to keep that communication between you and the mother as muhc as possible on a level term.
Going throguh court due to AVo's and stuff is total worst case.
Women always have the biggest upper hand.
My bank account is empty due to famiyl memember reuqiring me to cover there Faimly court costs. - Let me note I'd have one RX-7 S8 with one mofo big arse turbo and a new MPS3 in my garage for the costs.

Remove your dick and feelings for the women out of the situation as much as you can - EG any time your not dating. Read between each of lines.

IMO it's okay not to trust her or women for that matter.
I don't even trust the stripper who give me lap dances.
I don't even trust my own mother.

Take note from me. My mother if Phillpino and I trust her ot point she is good women. but after seeing many of her friends and types and all ther other Women around the world. Working the doors of some sydney clubs and even during the community service I had to do.

You learn
Some very dump people
Some very smart people.
but most of all is the one who trys to pump you over time and time again. Because it's only then do you see the one who actually gets hurt.

And it may not be YOU or who you think it would be.

mill_mobile
04-10-2008, 04:34 AM
How did this thread get reincarnated? Its old, when i first saw it the time of the post didnt even match the actual last post??

project.r.racing
04-10-2008, 07:01 AM
Some one is voting on it. That's how it shows up new...

And for the record:-

I started seeing my ex again, 7 months later, see cheated on be again with another guy. Feel pregnent to him 1 month later. She stopped allowing me to see them. I had to go to court for 14 months to get my parental rights back.

And now the new guy is gone from the picture also.

So she has 3 kids to 3 fathers now.

I see Josh (not mine, but I still play dad as he does not have one around) and Zofia every 2nd weekend and love speeding time with them. They enjoy the time with me and my partner also.

Ryan

bourbon
04-10-2008, 07:55 AM
closed the poll so it may never come up again...

rodhog
04-10-2008, 09:59 PM
I didn't even realise how old it was.

But it sounds like it's worked out better for you in the end.

Sounds like your doing the right thing too. Kids work it out in the End and realise who the real idiots of the family are.

Plutonus
04-10-2008, 11:47 PM
Good to hear things are better now :)

02-KQ-LASR
06-10-2008, 11:56 AM
good to hear its better than it was.
no offence intended,
but you have gotta feel sorry for the kids.

but its excellent you look after two of them.:)

zappy65
06-10-2008, 07:03 PM
Being the very big arse that I can be, she sounds like she doesnt know what the hell to do and she's just scared of being alone...

If she wants another kid with you she needs to stabilize herself and figure out what she wants. She shouldn't put kids anywhere near this situation, trust me.

Id go with No.3 mate, it sounds like you have proven yourself more then once, she needs to do the same, it takes respect, honesty and alot of self sacrifice and she just doesn't sound like she has any of that atm.

Being bitter about the whole BF thing will not help you at all. Being scared of getting dumped, Ry mate, its a fact of life. If you still love her tell her to show you the same emotion back, if it doesn't work again, walk away.

EDIT: Bahahahahaa...didnt realize how old this was...lol...good to hear youve got everything sorted, but if you do go back, you WILL be the stupid one...

RedLineResident
06-10-2008, 07:38 PM
Geez man this is sticky, specially as kids are involved.

If it wasn't for Zofia, i would send her packing - despite of the feeling you have for her.

Trust is very important, and without that i couldnt see myself going the distance.

However as there is a child involved, it does complicate things wildly.

I feel for you buddy, and just be careful. Don't get sucked in quick - keep your wits about you and make her earn your trust, respect and love. You deserve it. Sympathy is one thing, love is another and stupidity is another yet again, but there is a fine line between all of them.

Hope you work it out. Good luck

lewwy
06-10-2008, 07:42 PM
Whats the implications of going to her house and doing a doughnut on her lawn?

rodhog
07-10-2008, 12:31 AM
Whats the implications of going to her house and doing a doughnut on her lawn?

That would be known as the

WESTY - BOGAN or DOPPY DRUG OUT AUSSIE WAY.

Amazingly it does happen but.

project.r.racing
07-10-2008, 06:43 AM
Whats the implications of going to her house and doing a doughnut on her lawn?I did think about it back then. But then came you the realization that I know a FWD. So no doughnuts. :( lol

02-KQ-LASR
07-10-2008, 02:58 PM
reverse doughies! lol

coley
12-10-2008, 10:52 AM
hey ryan
hard sistuation .
i think you should get back with her and just give it time. spend as much time with her and the kids as possible
things will work out

Putonyourshoes
12-10-2008, 10:53 AM
i think youll find mate that this thread is almost 2 years old and ryan has already made a decision ;)
edit: it might be a good idea to lock this thread?

mrpayner
13-10-2008, 05:02 PM
Done!