Manual Conversion, is it worth it?
 

hey,

i have a 96 V6 hardtop auto and i hav been thinkin bout wat to do nxt. i was either goin to get a 13b turbo put in it or i hav jst recently been thinkin about a manual conversion because of cost.

Does any1 know how much it would b to get a manual conversion and are there any problems after it has been converted to a manual?

you would need a bank balence closer to the 6 figure mark to fit a rotory in to our cars :D

the manual swap can be done, but it is expencive, ive been lookin to do the swap 2 but i now have given up cos it will be to expencive and too much effort.

the easyest way i could think of doing it was to buy a half cut and just swapping every thing over in one go, as this is the only way your are insured u have every little bit needed for the conversion.

the other option is to sell the car and buy a manual, chicaboo did this

from what ive read i havent heard any problems

If you guys have the FN4A-EL? automatic, I have the TECHNICAL workshop service manual for it if anyone wants to buy it? Another thing, if you want to keep the auto but with more performance, you can run the lower geared SP23 auto box, same box with lower gearing closer to a manual 1,2,3,5 situation...

Gav.

will it fit tho? i doubt that it will have the same bolt pattern to bolt it up to the engine

sell auto. buy manual. easy :)

what are the ratios for the auto, every web site i can find says something different?

I think The MAN's website has the most consistant info regarding the autos. There are only two modern cars that use the FN4A-EL auto now, the 2L Jspec 6 (can't remember cool name) and the SP23. Case casting might be different, just like it is from the BA to BJ gearboxes. I can't say if it mates up with no probs, but it has the same model designation with fantastic gearing for 323s! The SP23 has much bigger rolling diamter out of the factory, so you can imagine that with the 1,2,3,5 equivelant manual gears that it will honk along like a mofo in a 323!

More than likely the internals would fit in the BA V6 G case anyway

Cheapest way to do the conversion would be to find a damaged V6 manual (hatch or hardtop) or halfcut as Tim said, and chuck it in. As it'd be a pain to find all the parts.

So what would you need?

Pedal Box
Clutch
Flywheel
Gearbox
Mounts
Driveshafts
Clutch Line + Slave
Master Cylinder
Gear Linkages+ Gearstick
ECU
Loom

Anything i've missed?

A lobotomy, cheaper and easier to swap cars.

Lol true.

You'd be better off going 13BT and a RWD conversion ;)

Just buy a freaking RX7 if you are going to do that.

yeh a rx7 would b nice, but i want sumthin rare.
how much u think it would b for a v6 front cut?

I haven't seen inside an Auto, but you may need the bit of the centre console, that goes around the boot of the manual gearstick...... unless they are the same????

japanese mazda 6 is called a alltenza

Someone in the land of the long white cloud has built a FWD rotary 323.

To do it as a RWD wouldn't be too difficult with a Rx-7 series 4/5.

Once the cross member is in the right place and you've connected the Astina steering to the Rx-7 rack you could graft the Rx-7 transmission tunnel into the Astina, relocate the fuel tank and once you have the Rx-7 rear suspension in the right place you fabricate mounts and bolt it up.....
As easy as 1-2-37,636,736.76

Atenza, actually :) and Mazda3 is Axela

I'd guess you'd be looking at about 1-2k for a V6 front cut, but i've no idea really having never needed one. Just ring a few wreckers to get an idea of price

you cant really be serious, can you?

Wouldnt it be far cheaper and easier and faster to just buy a manual and sell the auto?

hats off to you if you pull this off.

manual conversion arnt impossible ian. remember that BG sedan you were in last night ... thats an auto become manual ;)

but yes in the long run you would be better trading cars

they do it all the time in japan in cars that are very rare with manuals eg 20b cosmo.

a few ppl in the US have done it in there mx3's(eunos 30x) took then 3-4 days to do it them selvs using a half cut

But a manual V6 is not rare??
if you do a great job on the conversion no one would be able to tell its not a stock V6 Manual. If the previously auto manual has advantages over the stock manual I don't know but I wouldn't think so, (I aint that knowledgable so possibly)

To me Smarter options are
2.5L
Jspec engine
FI
RWD or 4WD
IMHO I would definently go to some effort to see the result of any one of those but a previously auto manual hmmmnahso much,

I dunno if a BPT will fit it, but for 2k you can get a GTX Manual frontcut, with all the goods needed to be a manual, sans gearbox, which will be around 400 bucks.

I dont know how thats gona go fiting into your cars. The beauty of BG's is that there cut and bolt with the Familiars, for the most part.

if you wanted a BPT BA you start wit hthe 4 pot ... much easier

Yeah, the BPT it a bolt in the BA 1.8 apart from wiring

but to go BPT from V6 would be a nightmare

What skippy says is pretty sensible.

It'd probably be more cost-effective to just drop in a 2.5V6 with manual in one go, and you'd make doing the conversion more worthwhile then.

the 2.5ltre with manual sounds like the way to go, but which car does the 2.5 litre come from?

ide go with the japanese mx6, but u must make sure its the mx6 because it has 200hp(147kw) at the fly which is a huge gain in power over our 104 and then u will also have a manual which generally is 1-2 seconds quicker 0-100 :D

the engine is called a KL-ZE

I call mine George :D

Is yours even classified an engine yet?

i would call petes(and my engine) lots of piles of metal stilling under the house :P

well im going to go to visit a workshop and see what they say.

they have already done a mate's astina in the past and from what i was told, there were no problems with it.

i'll keep u's informed

well
spoke to some guys today about a manual conversion.

they said it is very possible and would not be too big a job.

i will have further discussions as i progress further along this path

sounds good

Organised Chaos at its best
Man I will post pics soon of the Guttered car as well, pre body strengthening and fitment of the animal cage
Now thats starting to look like a pile of metal
I cant get over how much room the complete interior (seats plastic trims, stereo, carpets, complete dash, belts etc ) can actually take up
Next Friday Night Games is at my house scaling the mound of parts
So far the turret hasn't had the Batman Death Touch lol

Jenny Craig Bat............................................... ..........................statement for the masses

i bet george weighs 250kg lighter also after his interior makeover. maybe you could do a tv showfor it - get some money back that you've spent on it :) "When fat cars get skinny!"

Ryan

Holly engine parts batman!

I thought we had 105kw... is that at the fly or wheels... how much KW do BA hardtop v6's have at the wheels??

new - aboutish 80 in manual, auto 75ish - stock engines/intakes/exhausts

wow that is alot of power lost through the fly to the wheels..... any way of geting a better power send without upgrading engine.. like a new flywheel .. suff like that..

Not really, you just use lighter weight materials like forged pistons/crank, lightweight flywheel and pulleys, crankscraper, etc...

true... soo wat was the number to convert Kw to HP... was it u * it by 1.31 or sumfin???

who cares about HP, thats for old people and their gas sucking V8s