Cracked Block - So What now??
 

I purchased a stock 2002 Mazda 323 Hatch. I loved the look of it and have always wanted to work it!!!

Got it some new shoes and an awesome note with a Hotdog muffler. The sound absolutely rips. My next stop was a body kit and then start on the motor...

But I have now cracked the block and its running on about 2 cylinders.

So what are my options?
I really want to get a rebuilt engine with a turbo. There are a lot of people claiming you can get greater than 300HP at the wheels from 22 PSI. I love the sound of this but whats it gonna cost?

I'm in Melbourne and really need a good reliable place that I can go who know their stuff and have good contacts and dont want to rip you off!!!!

Anyone got some suggestions?

your gonna need a pretty tough engine and box to handle 22psi and a fair bit of money!

Figure in $10,000 just to be safe ;)

I looked into doing this when I destroyed the engine in my car earlier this year.
I ended up going for the FS-ZE out of the JDM Familia due to cost of everything involved in turboing your car.
Is your car a 1.6, a 1.8 or 2.0 as there are quite a few subtle differences between the three.
I would say that $10k-$15k would be your budget to turbo your car properly.
But being in melbourne I dont think your are allowed to fit a turbo to your car if it wasn't a manufacturers option and you cant use after market ecus?
Some one will corrrect me on this if im wrong:D
Here in Qld almost anything goes.

niceboy put a custom turbo kit on his, think it costed him about 7k+ hes actually in melbourne too

For 22psi+ from the top of my head you will need:
WRX 440cc Injectors (At least most likely 550cc)
Low compression pistons
Aftermarket rods
Turbo - T3?
FMIC
Clutch/Pressure Plate
Aftermarket Fuel Pump
Piping

Plus a whole lot of other stuff that I'm missing. Best off reading mazdas247 for your answers I honestly play no attention to the turbo lads over there.

lol when i saw the title i knew you would mention the FS-ZE. you have yet to take me for a spin in it but i can wait till its properly tuned.

Who wouldn't when it cost Phil like $500 lol!

My car is a 1.8. Had seen a motor on here for $3800 in Melbourne with all the extra gear required. It was suppose to just bolt in but we all know what that means!! Being a front wheel drive car, I'd be concerned that I would spend the rest of my life at the lights with my wheels spinning and not going anywhere!!! Best I rob a bank and junk it I think!!

By the way. Anything goes in Melbourne... Until you get pulled over!!! We are the nanny state here. We can get booked for accelerating too fast!!

Excessive acceleration is the most bull**** charge. It's a speed limit, I got to it very quickly and stopped. You're Gunna fine me for it.
Why don't you put a ms^-2 sign at every light and then I'll accept I did something wrong.
On topic, ice88 also forgot ECU + tune. Easy another 1.5 - 2k in that

the only reason you would get booked for accelerating too fast is if you did a burnout when you took off or if its looking like your racing someone.


heres niceboy's car, hes on astinagt too but never made a project worklog for it...

http://www.ozmazdaclub.com/my-rides/...184kw-atw.html

and dappas, dont really have any info on it thoughh.
http://www.astinagt.com/forums/vbpic...?do=view&g=611

I mentioned it as I have already been down the road of what to do to with a stuffed engine this year.
But if turboing is what the OP is after dont think of using a FS-ZE as the compression is way to high and costs will sky rocket.
But if your after a mild power boost and a nice increase in driveability seriously consider the FS-ZE as I am really happy with my results so far.

Hopefully if all goes well it shall be done this week.


I will mention I have a F series block here but I dont think its worth shipping it that far.

Shipping costs are generally under $200, which is not really that bad. Problem is I am probably just after something I can't have. Dropping a turbo in a front wheel drive is almost a waste as you cant ramp it up that much. The FS-ZE is certainly an option, but what's the fit like? I really dont want to redesign the whole engine mount for a little power.

Hey Phil, is that a 2.0 motor or a 1.8?

It looks exactly like my car (except the colour). Nice to see I'm not completely nuts for trying to pimp my ride!!! When I started looking into this I expected a whole bunch of people telling me I was an idiot for bothering to do this to a BJ!!!!

Phils is a 2.0L, and it retains the standard mounts etc to work

Anyone have any thoughts on an FS-DET? Very similar to Phil's ZE except it is basically the FS-DE with a turbocharger. Produces the same HP but with a sharper torque curve.

None of the adm bj's were turbo'd, so it'd still have to be all custom, otherwise you could buy all the necessary hardware from the states and go from there.

The FS-ZE is a bolt in fit and I know for sure that the 1.8 ECU runs it with no problems, I cant answer the question of how a FS-DE ECU would run a FS-ZE but im sure it would do a better job than my 1.8 ECU.

What would you do with 300whp in a FWD thats not designed for that? Wheel spin & torque steer =/

If you want big power, get a RWD or even AWD. I'd go either N/A build with cams/ecu or boost it with a smallish turbo to keep it wickedly responsive. The FS-ZE with a good tune (Microtech/Emanage?), free flowing exhaust & intake looks like good fun.

Not if it's properly set up. You'll get wheelspin with any older sub-1300kg 300hp+ car no matter what wheels are driving it. Put in an LSD and it'll solve most of the traction issues (to a point).

Rabz_Rox - good on you for wanting to try something different.
If you're serious about doing this, i can put you in touch with a good workshop in SE Melb.

Another option would be a 2.5 V6 KL-ZE engine. It can be done legally in Vic - and it's been done before by a member of the forums.

RUPE - Can you PM or post that SE Melb workshop, I'd be keen as to call and pick their brains. Cost is always and issue but how much fun can you have for free?!?!?

DAVO - Half the fun is trying to control Wheel Spin and Torque Steer!!!

By the way Davo, I love the Signature. Best laugh I've had today. Must say... I want to take the wall with me... all the way!!!

Just to keep you all posted, I have gone for a FS motor (2.0). This will be the starting point for things to come. I am still trying to find info about the FS-DET, as I am actually not 100% sure whether it is a DE or a ZE that my guys are droppiing into the car. So it will be interesting to find that out and what problems come with either motor!!!

As long as you swap the loom and ecu to FS-DE/-ZE versions, you shouldn't have issues with either.

Don't go muching arounds for months using the incorrect loom and ecu. Get it done right the 1st time and save alot of hassles.

Good luck going from a fp-de to a fs-de.
It's easier to swap in a fs-ze.
There are major changes between them.
The fs-ze is much closer to the fp-de wiring wise.
The fs-de is obdii and the ze Is obd 1.

Im wondering what there gonna do about the gearbox tbh.

Just to keep you all posted. The motor I have got is out of an SP20. It has bolted straight in without any hassles at all. ECU and everything else has gone perfectly AOK. Picking the car up tomorrow. Have given the turbo idea the flick (maybe), found out that I'd need to replace the radiator and the AC to get things to fit properly. It all just becomes a massive cost very quickly. Although I may change my mind!! If I bugger my radiator and have to replace it then I will pop in a MSP Radiator and AC unit.

Found this info on another forum. If anyone thinks its crap let me know. But so far it seems to be the best info I could find that seems reliable. So many people say yes, so many say no. Funny thing is the number of people who say yes but HAVEN'T done it!!!!

Link Here

And a Custom Kit if anyone is interested

I would get them to check that your car is not running it too rich as the 2.0 has much larger injectors.

It has the FS ecu in, so should be all good. But best wait until the key is turned and the car is driven. Best test is a road test.

Car's F'ed!!!

Lean as. Now in panic mode to get it sorted.

I recall reading about an issue with the O2 sensor and the ECU!?!?!?

Anyone????

Are you running the FP-DE ECU with the FS-DE motor.
If so swap fuel rails or injectors and see how you go.

What afr? What ecu? What header are you using? Did they reuse your fp or the Fs header? Did they change the 02 sensor If they swapped? What maf are you using? More info man. Seriously.

No where has he said he used the FS ECU as his car was a 1.8, he just swapped in a FS-DE from what he said.
Thats what makes me think its the ECU causing it.
I swapped in a worked FS-ZE and my 1.8 ECU ran that ok but was a bit rich,

Post #27 says engine gone in AOK. Including wiring + ecu.

Sorry I understood that he re used his FP-DE ECU with the new engine.
Hopefully he posts up what he actually did so we can all help him, not speculate about it.

Yeah it can be read two ways now that I've re read it.

Spykey now :P not NiCeBoY anymore lol

i need to build another thread here.. by the way it was a mistake there its 184 at the engine...

Sorry guys, didnt mean to start a fight!!!! :P

I hadn't put a new ECU in, just reused the FP. What I meant was that it all went together AOK. Which clearly was WRONG!!!!!!

Upon doing a road test I couldn't get enough power down. She seemed to idle ok and everything else works fine (AC, Fans etc), she is just as lean as.

I'm tipping (thanks Spykey nee Niceboy) that the FP ECU is only sending enough fuel for a 1.8 Motor, where I am actually getting enough O2 for the 2.0 Motor I have now. The guys have replaced the O2 sensor and have F'd around heaps with the Fuel Rail and Injectors.

I posed that we go for a High Pressure Fuel pump and line with a regulator and try to force more fuel in that way.

The problem we have had is getting our hands on an FS ECU. Which finally arrived today. So tomorrow I will advise you all if I'm still bent over or not!!!