Do rear shocks return when piston pushed down?

[Astina Gold]

Bought some new rear shocks. Upon open the box, I noticed the strap missing that holds the piston down.

Upon further fiddling, if I pushed down on the piston, it doesn't rise.

So, my question is... Are the rear shockies meant to rise if piston pushed down?

Tadims

[mattylagana]

All shocks are ment to return!

[project.r.racing]

Originally Posted by Astina Gold

Bought some new rear shocks. Upon open the box, I noticed the strap missing that holds the piston down.

Upon further fiddling, if I pushed down on the piston, it doesn't rise.

So, my question is... Are the rear shockies meant to rise if piston pushed down?

Tadims

they are f@#ked. return them.

[Astina Gold]

Originally Posted by project.r.racing

they are f@#ked. return them.

Thanks guys... Yeah that's what I pretty much thought. A matching pair of Fukcd shocks to make one believe their identical in operation.

Both smell pretty much like new black paint has been applied. I wonder if the seller get's old ones and cleans them up and on-sells them as new ones?

Hmmmm

[rodhog]

Dam I can't belive some bastards are pulling them old tricks.

If a Shock does not return to it's FULL extention on it's own. it's stuffed.

When they go - you have to pull them out another 1inch or a bit to full extention. That's a sign or Loss of Gas or seals passing in worn cylinder sections.

[Astina Gold]

Originally Posted by rodhog

Dam I can't belive some bastards are pulling them old tricks.

Is/was this happening?

Originally Posted by rodhog

If a Shock does not return to it's FULL extention on it's own. it's stuffed.

Well I have bought another set off this seller (ebay) before about 8 months ago, and while they did rise on their own, they were a bit slow (so I thought). That's why I wasn't sure on the rears, if they were different to that of the fronts.

Originally Posted by rodhog

When they go - you have to pull them out another 1inch or a bit to full extention. That's a sign or Loss of Gas or seals passing in worn cylinder sections.

On these ones in question, I notice oil is being coated on the piston/shaft ever so slightly. Also there is like a heat mark (brownish) on one of the pistons and there were no straps or wire holding down the piston to stop it from extending in the box.

Plus the added smell of fresh paint ... Sh1tezerling

[rodhog]

Yeah oil coming up the shaft more then likely leaking. A new shock had such tight seals - You get no oil at all as the wiper seal is so tight on KYB or any other Decent one you need a machine to put it one. Your cheaper units can start to leave minor residue after 5000km's seen it on the Supercheap Gabrieals and some low end Monroe types.

[Astina Gold]

Well I bit the bullet and bought a pair of KYB's from Burson's. Paint job on them outta the box is a matt finish. Also has the KYB sticker on them (Excel-G) and still made in Japan. Nut is in a plastic bag and each shock also came with instructions. Not to mention the pretty pink box

Ones from Burson's extended straight away, all the way, as soon as I pushed down the piston.

Ebay item was a different part number and appears to be the Euro KYB part number/s.

Originally Posted by rodhog

Your cheaper units can start to leave minor residue after 5000km's seen it on the Supercheap Gabrieals and some low end Monroe types.

Guy at Burson's said the same thing. In 6 years he has been there...

Monroe 1/5 are returned
KYB - 0

[TheMAN]

I hope you file a dispute with paypal if that egay bastard won't refund you!

[chewyryce]

i would report his ass to ebay so he stops selling them.

[Astina Gold]

Originally Posted by chewyryce

i would report his ass to ebay so he stops selling them.

Originally Posted by TheMAN

I hope you file a dispute with paypal if that egay bastard won't refund you!

I contacted the seller 2 days ago through eBay messages and NOT one word of a reply. They're actually a registered business with a physical address in NSW and sell stuff on eBay as well.

Patience and Time is the key. Will be doing the PP refund thing in a day or so... just given the seller a chance to do the right thing but from the looks of it (silence)... they know they have been "Sprung".

So many shocks sold, possibly to the less knowledgeable!

[TheMAN]

even if you did get a refund, I'd still leave them a negative feedback so buyers are aware what is happening

[z100]

Originally Posted by TheMAN

even if you did get a refund, I'd still leave them a negative feedback so buyers are aware what is happening

This.

I would never buy from a seller that had done something like this previously. Make other people aware.

[TheMAN]

but do not leave feedback yet until he gives you your money back or there is inaction after a reasonable period of time (after disputing).... you want to give them a benefit of a doubt that you won't give them a negative feedback

[Cliffandrews]

Originally Posted by Astina Gold

Bought some new rear shocks. Upon open the box, I noticed the strap missing that holds the piston down.

Upon further fiddling, if I pushed down on the piston, it doesn't rise.

So, my question is... Are the rear shockies meant to rise if piston pushed down?

Tadims

I remember back in the '70s and early '80s, shocks used to be oil-filled only and either single or double-acting, but not returnable. Then gas-shocks came into common use and they were returnable.
Going by the fresh paint it seems the vendor is trying to sell old non-gas types. They may even be used ones.

Cliff

[TheMAN]

there are NO non-gas shocks for our cars
ALL shocks for our cars are gas filled

[Cliffandrews]

Originally Posted by TheMAN

there are NO non-gas shocks for our cars
ALL shocks for our cars are gas filled

Absolutely. I was wondering where they came from.

Cliff

[Astina Gold]

Well it's been awhile... have been debating a refund as I haven't returned them, but have taken photos and video of them for later postings here

Had to leave feedback as time was running out. Currently in PayPal dispute.

The seller (name will be revealed soonish) stated that they would refund me if I revised my feedback from Negative to Positive. I said "No" based on morals that I have with this, and the fact that I believe it is wrong to future buyers.

Apparently... these are OLD model shocks for our cars and are supposedly Oil-Filled, so the seller is telling me.

So can anyone vouch for this?

• Did KYB make Oil-Filled shocks in the past for the BG Astina hatch (variants)?
  
• How long ago was this, and was there OF shocks for our cars (in Europe etc)..?

The shock numbers start with 6.. and seller is saying these were Oil-Filled, old design etc.

[project.r.racing]

i'd assume they'd be gas and air filled pressurised like most shock these days. which is why the should raise and return to a certain point.

i'm no expert, but i don't think the BGs are old enough to have oil only filled shocks.

personally i wouldn't bother with them.. just return them.

funny thing is the seller is claiming they are an old design. but yet the have fresh new paint on them?

[Astina Gold]

Originally Posted by project.r.racing

i'm no expert, but i don't think the BGs are old enough to have oil only filled shocks.

And that's the thing... it's a timing issue as to year of car to year of shock.

Originally Posted by project.r.racing

funny thing is the seller is claiming they are an old design. but yet the have fresh new paint on them?

Yep... first thing I smelled when I opened the box.

These are WATER damaged according to sellers description. I actually think (IMO) they were in a container at the bottom of the ocean, paid a couple of $ for the lot and now they are flogging them off as NEW. I thought maybe water damaged is like shop soiled... but if the seller has to respray the shocks, then that appears to be possibly RUST on the outside and the possibility of internal damage depending on how long they've been sitting in water.

Part numbers are:

• 633143
• 633144

... if anyone can verify Oil-Filled type?

Seller is using this as an excuse as to why the Piston Rods are not returning when pushed. As project.r points out the Astina would have superseded these.