Swapping KLZE throttle Body into KFZE - Page 2

pr1mo · 23-12-2005, 11:47 AM

haha its not either of ours to be exact :P just doing some research for another mate unrelated to these forums

Cosmo Dude · 23-12-2005, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostedbatman

Rod the TB opening is not the place to measure a TB???????

What size do you think the butterfly is ?

Its nice to see others putting your gear up for sale too

I just wanted to give an idea of it's size. I may find my calipers and give it a proper measure. That way you can calculate the venturi as well.

boostedbatman · 24-12-2005, 06:54 AM

Sweet

Cosmo Dude · 24-12-2005, 10:49 AM

OK,
Opening measures 68.5mm and butterfly 60mm. The manifold opening though (as pictured) is 105mm across and 67.25mm and would benifit more from a dual 50mm throttle-body which would be more than 50% larger and line-up better with the VICS butterflies (when open).

Adding the IAC wouldn't be too difficult.

boostedbatman · 24-12-2005, 04:20 PM

Here are some pics of the Millenia Manifold
Front view
Top view
Underside 1
Underside 2
Rear Angled
From Rear along runners
Intake Manifold to TB
KL-ZE TB (KL68) 60mm vs KF-ZE TB (KF33) 50mm
Thats about all the shots I have of my IM at present
They may help as a comparasin to yours Rod
If you have any shots from similar angles they would be great for the archives
Have fun with it

Cosmo Dude · 24-12-2005, 05:35 PM

See what I can do, it won't be as clean as yours 'cos it's not mine.

Looks like the Millenia doesn't have a VICS system but should have loads more torque!!!

boostedbatman · 25-12-2005, 05:13 AM

NO VICS
Just VRIS . Which are the 2wo red actuators in the second picture
This Millenia Manifold is supposed to have the best flow design for the KLs
This is the one from the KL-ZE which has the milder cams yet still makes the same power and torque as the other KL_ZE variant
But as all the IM they do tend to suffer with flow above 7000rpm

kfze · 25-12-2005, 08:23 PM

Hmm.... how about this combo : KLZE with curve millenia Xedos with KFZE cams.

Boastedbatman, how's your engine coming along ?

Cosmo Dude · 25-12-2005, 08:30 PM

VICS, VRIS and DEI....
All the same thing

boostedbatman · 25-12-2005, 08:40 PM

Yup same ****e different shovel
Basically set up to make full use of your runners by directing and controlling the airflow to the valves to give most stable and responsive rev range

KFZE: my engine is slowly putting along but as I am rebuilding the whole car at the same time things are bound to take a while
At this point its looking to be around July next year for release
At this point...
But a millenia KL-ZE with the KF-ZE cams would be a bit of a sleeper
Would be a great addition to the Astina lineup

kfze · 10-04-2006, 04:28 PM

Update....

Just installed again the KL68 throttle body onto my KFZE. Adjusted the TPS by using trial and error.

Results : Idling without a/c good at 750rpm. Idling with a/c on is around 800 rpm.

Observations : Throttle response seems lighter, even with a/c on. A little touch on the accelerator and the car is willing to go.

Top end wise, i felt its even more easier. Lighter response and its eager to move across the 4000rpm upto 6500rpm.

Good upgrade ! Now, I will measure on the effects to the fuel consumption.

Will Update again.

24-12-2005, 06:54 AM	#23
boostedbatman Manpink Crusader Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stafford, Brisbane Car: 1990 GD mx6 F2T, and soon I might drive the batmoobile once again Posts: 2,280 View Photos By: boostedbatman	Sweet __________________ The Batmobile as she used to be and now she hangs from a chain in the garage

24-12-2005, 10:49 AM	#24
Cosmo Dude コスモ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Location: Vic Car: Mazda '95 Astina I4, '86 B2K and '10 3 MZR-CD Posts: 7,888 View Photos By: Cosmo Dude	OK, Opening measures 68.5mm and butterfly 60mm. The manifold opening though (as pictured) is 105mm across and 67.25mm and would benifit more from a dual 50mm throttle-body which would be more than 50% larger and line-up better with the VICS butterflies (when open). Adding the IAC wouldn't be too difficult. __________________ My 'stina Hatch Last edited by Cosmo Dude; 12-09-2007 at 06:32 PM.

24-12-2005, 04:20 PM	#25
boostedbatman Manpink Crusader Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stafford, Brisbane Car: 1990 GD mx6 F2T, and soon I might drive the batmoobile once again Posts: 2,280 View Photos By: boostedbatman	Here are some pics of the Millenia Manifold Front view Top view Underside 1 Underside 2 Rear Angled From Rear along runners Intake Manifold to TB KL-ZE TB (KL68) 60mm vs KF-ZE TB (KF33) 50mm Thats about all the shots I have of my IM at present They may help as a comparasin to yours Rod If you have any shots from similar angles they would be great for the archives Have fun with it __________________ The Batmobile as she used to be and now she hangs from a chain in the garage Last edited by boostedbatman; 24-12-2005 at 04:23 PM.

24-12-2005, 05:35 PM	#26
Cosmo Dude コスモ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Location: Vic Car: Mazda '95 Astina I4, '86 B2K and '10 3 MZR-CD Posts: 7,888 View Photos By: Cosmo Dude	See what I can do, it won't be as clean as yours 'cos it's not mine. Looks like the Millenia doesn't have a VICS system but should have loads more torque!!! __________________ My 'stina Hatch

25-12-2005, 05:13 AM	#27
boostedbatman Manpink Crusader Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stafford, Brisbane Car: 1990 GD mx6 F2T, and soon I might drive the batmoobile once again Posts: 2,280 View Photos By: boostedbatman	NO VICS Just VRIS . Which are the 2wo red actuators in the second picture This Millenia Manifold is supposed to have the best flow design for the KLs This is the one from the KL-ZE which has the milder cams yet still makes the same power and torque as the other KL_ZE variant But as all the IM they do tend to suffer with flow above 7000rpm __________________ The Batmobile as she used to be and now she hangs from a chain in the garage

23-12-2005, 11:47 AM	#21
pr1mo I MUST STOP MAKING STUPID POSTS! Yet I keep on making them. And I wonder why I get banned? Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: DansVille Car: auto Posts: 4,326	haha its not either of ours to be exact :P just doing some research for another mate unrelated to these forums

25-12-2005, 08:23 PM	#28
kfze Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Kuala Lumpur Car: CBAEP with KFZE Posts: 72	Hmm.... how about this combo : KLZE with curve millenia Xedos with KFZE cams. Boastedbatman, how's your engine coming along ?

25-12-2005, 08:30 PM	#29
Cosmo Dude コスモ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Location: Vic Car: Mazda '95 Astina I4, '86 B2K and '10 3 MZR-CD Posts: 7,888 View Photos By: Cosmo Dude	VICS, VRIS and DEI.... All the same thing __________________ My 'stina Hatch

25-12-2005, 08:40 PM	#30
boostedbatman Manpink Crusader Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stafford, Brisbane Car: 1990 GD mx6 F2T, and soon I might drive the batmoobile once again Posts: 2,280 View Photos By: boostedbatman	Yup same ****e different shovel Basically set up to make full use of your runners by directing and controlling the airflow to the valves to give most stable and responsive rev range KFZE: my engine is slowly putting along but as I am rebuilding the whole car at the same time things are bound to take a while At this point its looking to be around July next year for release At this point... But a millenia KL-ZE with the KF-ZE cams would be a bit of a sleeper Would be a great addition to the Astina lineup __________________ The Batmobile as she used to be and now she hangs from a chain in the garage

10-04-2006, 04:28 PM	#31
kfze Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Kuala Lumpur Car: CBAEP with KFZE Posts: 72	Update.... Just installed again the KL68 throttle body onto my KFZE. Adjusted the TPS by using trial and error. Results : Idling without a/c good at 750rpm. Idling with a/c on is around 800 rpm. Observations : Throttle response seems lighter, even with a/c on. A little touch on the accelerator and the car is willing to go. Top end wise, i felt its even more easier. Lighter response and its eager to move across the 4000rpm upto 6500rpm. Good upgrade ! Now, I will measure on the effects to the fuel consumption. Will Update again.

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