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Old 23-04-2010, 08:44 PM   #101
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Old 30-04-2010, 07:47 AM   #102
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A breakthrough bit of info for me. Apparently the Merc trans is the same they used for the V12's & will take a decent pounding This makes the rebild all worth while. You gotta look @ the little things sometimes I guess

Now if the slack rebuilder would bother to contact me about the engine sitting on the floor of his workshop In the meantime still awaiting quote for engine parts from US to decide whether I can save being ripped off over here.

Noones in a hurry down in lower Vic
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Old 30-04-2010, 08:37 AM   #103
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A breakthrough bit of info for me. Apparently the Merc trans is the same they used for the V12's & will take a decent pounding This makes the rebild all worth while. You gotta look @ the little things sometimes I guess

Now if the slack rebuilder would bother to contact me about the engine sitting on the floor of his workshop In the meantime still awaiting quote for engine parts from US to decide whether I can save being ripped off over here.

Noones in a hurry down in lower Vic
hell yer mate

u need a strong trans to handle the power of that best :P

what power u looking at making????? and what ecu u using???

(sorry if this has been asked before )
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Old 30-04-2010, 09:18 AM   #104
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u need a strong trans to handle the power of that best :P

what power u looking at making????? and what ecu u using???

(sorry if this has been asked before )
Mat. It isn't as simple with this or perhaps it's simpler? Although it has an ECU it used mechanical injection. This means you just bypass it pretty much. With the LPG conversion. You bypass it altogether. In this case. When the LPG & turbo was initially installed they chose to use MSD gear. MSD ignition & timing computer to sort the AFM & fuel mapping etc.

What my workshop has to do is reconfigure the LPG set up entirely. Larger lines. Larger gas jets. Dual convertors (vapourisers). Modify the Inlet manifold. Custom build an exhaust manifold. Refurbish the IC piping to alum' mandrel bends. New 3" mandrel ext' sys all way through.

Looking @ 350-400rwhp with the Garrett T03/4 hybrid. Don't want the "big-turbo" lag blues....

I have to nut this out though when time to tune comes. Unlike what you will be doing with petrol dyno (getting mapping etc sorted out) with LPG it's much more straight forward to get the AFM right anyway. The difficulty with LPG is supplying enough of it to all cylinders & keeping it supplied through rev-ranges. No room for error with this. All fun

P.S. my workshop boss aint to keen on the > 300whp I want hehe
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Old 30-04-2010, 11:12 AM   #105
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Decision made! Rebuilding the M103 engine & seeing whether the forgies from buggered engine are worth using?

Here's to the money pit
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Old 30-04-2010, 11:39 AM   #106
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yay

can i thro some stuff in the pit too :P
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Old 30-04-2010, 08:37 PM   #107
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can i thro some stuff in the pit too :P
money

truth is rebuilder didn't really wanna mess with a 2nd hand engine. Setting up all the gear & then having it crap itself down the highway one day. He cautioned me about doing the head up (valve seals etc) only for the old rings to be pushed too far as they'd already be a bit tired.

I'll just have to do over a bank down here that's all

tbo, I don't want it letting me down when I'm on my way to Sydney or something. Not choice!
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Old 10-05-2010, 08:46 AM   #108
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Got back on an AUS/NZ Merc Forum I joined in Feb. Forgot about it lol. They are sponsored by a Merc Spares Shop Yeehar.

Hopefully no need to go to US for parts. Prices will be the killer. Anyway. US is supposed to be getting back to me today with quote (yeah whateva) so then I can compare the two quotes & make a decision.

Some guy here tried to get big HP out of one of these engines like mine using twin turbo set up from TurboTechnics & apparently failed Good to know. Thing is. In US they have done it successfully on low boost.

Also, apparently the bores have some fancy metallergy happening with cylinders which allows the cylinders to last in excess of 500K, before pulling down. Hence the amazing mileage of these engines.

What this amounts to is hopefully I can get away with rings & bearings & not touch the bore. Blocks aren't meant to be bored due to what I just wrote concerning metallergy process.

Will be speaking to workshop this morning & I will know what will be happening one way or another with engine & hopefully have some prices to go on.

It seems that every time someone tries to modify these engines. They stuff them. That's why they simply use good 2nd hand engines to begin with. Mine is from a wreckers hehe

Fingers crossed!
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Old 10-05-2010, 08:52 AM   #109
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The wheels in pics that it came with won't be on it when it's finished. There gay as I have to wait till' Engineer as looked @ it before I look @ replacements
can i buy the rims off you if you get them replaced?
i like vx1's/look alike's.
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:45 AM   #110
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can i buy the rims off you if you get them replaced?
i like vx1's/look alike's.
haha Fresh......don't think they'll fit lol. Prob' is not so much the look of them as they are 8 1/2 - 9" wide. I wnat them narrower to better fit tyres & not scrub the guards. the 300E is a medium Merc & track isn't that wide unfortunately

I still have the 3 off the BF323. If you remember them from when I picked up Naughty? You just need to source a 4th & they're yours
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Old 10-05-2010, 10:35 AM   #111
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haha Fresh......don't think they'll fit lol. Prob' is not so much the look of them as they are 8 1/2 - 9" wide. I wnat them narrower to better fit tyres & not scrub the guards. the 300E is a medium Merc & track isn't that wide unfortunately

I still have the 3 off the BF323. If you remember them from when I picked up Naughty? You just need to source a 4th & they're yours
the bf is a 4 stud so i don't think they fit on the sp20 as they area 5 stud.
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Old 10-05-2010, 11:02 AM   #112
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the bf is a 4 stud so i don't think they fit on the sp20 as they area 5 stud.
I think Fresh was wishful thinking Mat lol. I have a 4 stud 15" set that came originally on the 323. If anyone can source 1 from somewhere Fresh can have my 3. That's what I meant oh.....see what you mean. I meant the Panda Astina Fresh has. Not the SP20 Mat
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:43 PM   #113
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bahahahaha panda hee hee....
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:40 AM   #114
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ah man...... the sausage sager continues As I suspected a few weeks back when discussing fate of the 2nd hand engine that's going into car. It was never delivered The workshop secretary got it wrong. Boss was away having surgery (no idea what) just prior to Easter weekend. When I phoned & asked "are you sure the 3rd engine had been dropped off" she replied " Yes! Sure.

Turns out after talking this morning to boss. The 3 engines she had noted included my old roo-ted one So, this explains the boss wanting to pull down engine when I had asked him weeks ago if it would need it or not. Because the engine he was noting had one cylinder down on compression. He didn't want to do the head up & refit it knowing the bottom end was tired. See?

Thank the Father of Light boss had'nt begun stripping engine!

Quick call to Abdul (Merc Spares). "Um.....Abdul mate.....you never dropped off the freikin 3rd engine." "You know?......the one with GOOD compression maaaate!" .....Abdul "you stll going with the engine?"....Me "er....yeah!....you never delivered a good one!

End of conversation with Abdul goes.....Me "so, I-want-a-good-engine! Complete! Clutch fan the lot!!!!" Abdul "so you are pulling down engine?"
Me "nOOOOO! I-want-an-angine-WITH-good-compression!.....you don't rebuild Merc engines!......blocks have special metallergy performed so they last loooong time! You should know this! Not many people successfully rebuild these engines due to special cylinder surface method. When they're dead. They're dead. OK!" Abdul "k! wil ring you after lunch. Leave it with me! ".....Me "k"

So I wait...................
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x2, how could they just get this wrong
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unflaminbelievable Thing is I knew it in backof my mind. Why would you be keen to tear down a good engine? Just lies & puttin' me off
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If I wasn't so reliant on this Gas Research workshop to get the set up right. I would go somewhere else. I have to keep in mind the end result. They are the best so.....whatta ya do? Car has had enough cowboys working on it
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x2, how could they just get this wrong
man that just makes me sick.

hope it goes well mate...
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thanks Mat. I still can't believe it. I know it'll all work out in the end. Just pisses me off these things happen due to circumstances you have no control over. I always work on my cars due to this sort of stuff but the Merc's a little different. Have to let it play through
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