4 point seat belts???

[DavoAust]

forge bent the brackets are made bent (hence forged), machine bent they're bent using a press. machine being is easier as it doesnt require a mould or cast, but weakens the metal

[bourbon]

drifting isnt low speeds...at QR the guys drift first corner at anywhere between 120km/h to 190km/h...

[Astro Boy]

FARK... Where do we start with this one?!

Firstly...

hahaha i dont think astro started it in QLD...hes the major sponsor here in QLD...

Yes I did, the only reason the Excel Series is in QLD is because GSL brought it here, and came on board as the series sponsor and organiser. I'm off to Sydney next month for the national excel meeting at Hyundai HQ in Homebush, so I guess you could say I'm 'involved' !

Now onto this knob...

do any of u actually race?

Na, never seen a race car, never raced a race car, never build race cars for customers and never been paid to teach people to drive in race cars... never...

Ok, now I assume when you say CAMs you mean CAMS, Confederation of Australia Motor Sport. I for a second thought you may have meant something overseas, but you go onto talk about ADRs, so I'm going back to assuming we're talking about Australia, and CAMS.

CAMs rules have there own harnesses, rules for each type and life useability which is 2 seasons.

CAMS have ABSOLUTELY NO LIFETIME TAG ON HARNESSES. So you're flat out wrong to begin with... What 3" harnesses do have is a mandated 5 year useable time frame as specified by the FIA... NOT CAMS.

Also, if you were half the be and know all you're pretending to be, you'd also know that as of the end of this year, CAMS are allowing the use of FIA 3" harnesses 5 years past their used by date in all but international events (i.e. Events run directly under the FIA for an international series), which at this stage is Rally QLD 09 as its gone APRC status, the 2009 WRC, and the Formula One Grand Prix in Melb, somehow I don't think you or your mum with your CAMS licenses before puberty are going to be entering any of those events.

There is an America standard of belt that has a 2 year life time, with an option to re-web, but clearly this isnt' what you're talking about since you've made it quite clear you're the shoe in for the next CAMS technical adviser position available...

ADR ones are the cheapy ones you want, but no safety rating over 160km/h

Well that's interesting to know given ADR 4pt 2" belts are allowed for all CAMS rallies up to national level... silly me thinking WRX's and EVO go faster than 160km/hr... In fact, I'm pretty sure the radar as the spectator point of Rally QLD (yeah, you know, a national Rally Championship events... pft nothing special) this year in our Hyundai had us clocked at 175km/hr, but I suppose our one make series Excel with 74kw could be a freak of nature... yeah, no, you're right, WRX frequently top out at 159km/hr on 1.3km straights approaching spectator points...

just get a CAMs belt for that event, otherwise u'll pay heaps for a belt that complies with everything (like mine)

WTF is a CAMS belt??? And personal plug, last time I checked GSL RallySport stocked FIA 6pt 3" harnesses for $235 which will do everything right up to Formula 1 and World Rally... somehow more than I think you'll ever do!

but 3" belts cut in hard!

Um, BS! 3" belt cut in ALOT less than 2" belts mate, I've hit a tree a 80km/hr with 3" belts, don't try and tell me otherwise... Common sense that a wider belt exerting the same load will apply less pressure.

i got like 8 cannons

Do I even need to justify this bit?

So anyways mate, you continue to play forum know it all...

[Astro Boy]

Also something that our little work experience technical adviser has failed to make mention off, the original 'Mazda Speed' harness in question can't possibly be ADR or street legal because it has 'clip in' belts, not bolt in, regardless of the fact that it is 4pt and 2"... But I'm sure he knew that already!

[Edit] Just on that point, the big picture has all 4 points as bolt in, yet the smaller pictures show a bolt in point... Interesting unless you're planning to completely unstitch the end of the belts to change them...

[Astro Boy]

Hot off the press this week with regards to CAMS allowing the use of harnesses 5 years past their FIA date, making it a total of 10 years. Funny, doesn't mention anything about a 2 year lifeframe, or infact, fails to mention completely what a "CAMS BELT' is...

On the basis of testing conducted by the Australian Institute of Motor Sport Safety, the Board has agreed to extend the working life of a safety harness, when used in non-international competition to ten years from the date of manufacture. An announcement is in preparation, which will emphasise the existing condition that it is the responsibility of the competitor to ensure that his equipment is in good working order, and that any harness which shows visible signs of deterioration will be rejected by event scrutineers.

Now Moons, are you going to continue to swim in a catch and release (re-catch) stream, or swim away to open waters???

[Astro Boy]

Originally Posted by project.r.racing

Really? Isn't 12 the minimum age for any junior CAMS license.

RYAN!!!!!!!!! FARK MATE! HOW DARE YOU HIJACK THIS THREAD WITH FACT!!! If you haven't got something fictional or made-up to say then don't say anything at all ok???

[marcs_sp20]

I genuinely LMAO'd!!!!

[project.r.racing]

Originally Posted by bourbon

drifting isnt low speeds...at QR the guys drift first corner at anywhere between 120km/h to 190km/h...

you mean the car is actually doing that speed? or the rear wheels are spinning at that speed, giving the speedo that signal?

[Moons]

Project.r.racing yes JCAMs is 12, i got mine at 11 2 weeks b4 my b-day for a special event, mum got hers under the old rules and regs. And yes you are spot on about drifting, L2NS and L3/Nats. Because its a new CAMs event u can still play technicals and enter without CAMs (WA, don't know other states, we got some lax ppl here), so officially you can enter even with a standard sash belt if it passes the screw pits. And right about the belts, ye they are dangerous crappy and useless, rather spend the money on candy :P

Astro, i must of met you some time in QLD then, what where u doing 2 years age about May or Sept? Are you the one that last shifts down into the corners tight and get that odd race line? That line is an old school line, in my oppinion it's faster, but anyway thats a killer line, it's hard to copy on track tho, Jess that drives a pulsar at Barb gets close to it. i still can't get it, is it a holding clutch trick to keep just the right tension on the wheels?

oh ye Machine bent and forge bent
what you want to look for is, those T shape brackets that have the small bend (like 10 degrees or so) if u look at where the metal is bent there should be a trace of a crease, like a line has been engraved, thats where the point rail sat when the machine bends it.
Forge bent doesn't have that crease because while the metal is hot it gets hammer bent then cooled, which makes the metal more brittle
if you put a forged bracket on an anvil and hit it with a gimpy it will break in half, if u hit a machine bent one it will just bend.
they r just small things, but really the most important thing is how it feels, if your not comfortable then don't get one.

[bourbon]

Originally Posted by project.r.racing

you mean the car is actually doing that speed? or the rear wheels are spinning at that speed, giving the speedo that signal?

speed camera test they occasionally do comps on that corner for fastest drift...

[Moons]

i'm like a page behind, sorry didn't click pg 2
explaining the 2 year thing on the belts, we take in on ouselves to replace the belts every 2 years because the cars we have get used about every 3rd day with lots of different ppl, so lots of adjustments (gets scuffed by the adjusters) and not treated the best. So as safety standard by state government, replacement every 2 years on hired cars used on track. Hope that cleared it up for you. oh and the 3" belts cutting in means it cutting into your neck on the sides, because they are wider they sit closer to your neck.

2nd, i only asked if any of you raced? Gee it was just a question, no need to jump down some1's throat, u guys need to relax, mind you the best racers are always up themselves, most becasue thats how you have to be to have that drive to overtake every1 and push on the corners.

Thats kool about the speed drift, did they do that in drift season just gone?
Oh try out the drift event in GRID for ps3 (think xbox360 too), closer to the apex and speed give more points. Just a bit more fun

[bourbon]

the comment about people needing to relax about "2nd, i only asked if any of you raced? Gee it was just a question, no need to jump down some1's throat, u guys need to relax, mind you the best racers are always up themselves, most becasue thats how you have to be to have that drive to overtake every1 and push on the corners." i think we all read it as you being sarcastic in the question and thinking not one of the 2 actually raced, i thought that from reading the rest of your post...


i havnt been out to the drifts for a while, but that was done about a year ago now...and not tooo sure if they are still doin it...but if they are there prob gettin faster...

[70NYD]

LOL this is BY FAR the funniest sh!t i read here for a while. haha astro boy u got so fkn worked up. haha that was the biggest burn i have seen in a LONG time haha nice work man

really they make brittle safety brakets? so what they heat them up to the transition point(when steele looses its magnetic abilities) and smash it with a hammer then quickly cool it off??? shiiiiit i thought manufacturers would b smarter than to do that....
btw i allways thought that forcing already cast metal in to shape is called forging. you just have open die forging(hammer n anvil) and die forging(machine) they both give same results but ye i guess im wrong.

[Moons]

its one of the things they do so they can produce them faster and cheaper, no offence to some countries but look where your belt is made :P i feel like fried rice.
i didn't mention cast belt (don't think i've seen them around)
but forge bend is they heat it up and bend it while hot (easier on machinery). this is a perfectly fine way of making brackets, it's how they make most other brackets. u'll find the company that makes the brackets are different from who makes the belts. they most probably make brackets for stuff like buildings ect.
machine bent (done on a machine press) is they bend the already shaped air cooled metal. This is also how they make most car panels ect. sheet metal put under a 5 ton press.
forged is great for other use because if you have continuous pressure it is actually stronger, but because of what a seatbelt is and how it works the forces are snap force, snap force on brittle snaps, snap force on bendable metal well bends. the anvil thing was an example.
p.s. i only got 2 cannons left, i'm just giving them away, if any1 is in perth and wants one message me.

[Astro Boy]

I'm not going to waste alot more of my time, suffice to say that...
THIS:

CAMs rules have there own harnesses, rules for each type and life useability which is 2 seasons.

AND THIS:

we take in on ouselves to replace the belts every 2 years because the cars we have get used about every 3rd day

Are about as far from being the same as you could possibly get...

First you've said CAMS make you replace the belts every two years, then when that didn't work for you you're saying that you take it upon yourself to replace the belts every 2 years. You clearly you have no idea what you're talking about...

[Astro Boy]

I'm going to go easy cause I'm pretty sure you must've been drunk to write half of this...

Originally Posted by Moons

Astro, i must of met you some time in QLD then, what where u doing 2 years age about May or Sept?

What was I doing at 2 years of age? Not a whole lot, I don't remember much. As for 2 years ago, if that's what you meant, well in Sep I was celebrating my birthday, and in May I was at Rally of Lithgow in Sydney, neither of which is particularly applicable to you knowing not a great deal about safety belts...

Are you the one that last shifts down into the corners tight and get that odd race line? That line is an old school line, in my oppinion it's faster, but anyway thats a killer line, it's hard to copy on track tho

WTF are you talking about? Just for the record I've never done a circuit race in my life, I've never done a sprint day in my life. Yes, I'm an instructor at the V8 Race Experience at QLD Raceway, but that's got a whole lot more to do with car control knowledge than the knowledge of how to go around in circles...

Jess that drives a pulsar at Barb gets close to it. i still can't get it, is it a holding clutch trick to keep just the right tension on the wheels?

I'm really starting to prefix too many of my comments directed at you with 'WTF', but here's another classic example...

Who is Jess, what Pulsar, and what tension on the wheels are you talking about?

[bourbon]

come on now...i think hes been given enough...leave the poor kid alone...

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by Moons

its one of the things they do so they can produce them faster and cheaper, no offence to some countries but look where your belt is made :P i feel like fried rice.
i didn't mention cast belt (don't think i've seen them around)
but forge bend is they heat it up and bend it while hot (easier on machinery). this is a perfectly fine way of making brackets, it's how they make most other brackets. u'll find the company that makes the brackets are different from who makes the belts. they most probably make brackets for stuff like buildings ect.
machine bent (done on a machine press) is they bend the already shaped air cooled metal. This is also how they make most car panels ect. sheet metal put under a 5 ton press.
forged is great for other use because if you have continuous pressure it is actually stronger, but because of what a seatbelt is and how it works the forces are snap force, snap force on brittle snaps, snap force on bendable metal well bends. the anvil thing was an example.
p.s. i only got 2 cannons left, i'm just giving them away, if any1 is in perth and wants one message me.

i didnt know u meant when u said it
I 4get that terms get mixed up alot. forging means to press a metal in to shape, other than that of a cup like shape (drawign, deep drawing) or a rod(extrudion). whether its hot or not it doesnt matter its still forging. n a metals ability to withstand pressures is governed by its chemical structure, or its alloying components. when you forge a metal you strain it, whether its cold straining or hot straining ( both are methods of rolling) you only alter its behavior up to the strain pressure. itl still take same overall amount of force to brake it. for eg you take a piece of metal rod (hot or cold) and you apply tension untill it elongates. after your release it it will not elongate untill you apply more pressure than you did before, becuase now it can take more of a punishment sort of thing, but it also means that it can stretch less before faliure now.thats y forging is a good techique which gives favourable results (in lets say conrods for eg) is because it will take more effort to deform the object compared to a object with same final dimesnions that has been cast in any way omg this is got waaay to long winded. haha seriusly last time i post something this long, its not like anyone actually cares for this BS anyway right