Sway Bar for SP20 2003 - Page 10

SFC01 · 11-10-2004, 11:36 AM

Very interesting. I don't have any photos here at work of mine I think. But that definately has more holes than then model I have. BFR59Z right?

arden · 11-10-2004, 11:37 AM

Yeh, BFR59Z, thats wot it shows up on invoice.

SFC01 · 11-10-2004, 11:41 AM

Found a photo but don't know how to post it up. Definately 2 holes on mine. Also got a shot of a BFR52 on a BJII. By rights it shouldn't have fitted up, but then I am special. 8)

arden · 11-10-2004, 11:51 AM

SFC01 BFR59z :

arden · 11-10-2004, 11:53 AM

SFC01 Bfr52 :

SFC01 · 11-10-2004, 12:06 PM

Thanks Arden.

Yeah, the bar I have is 20mm. The outermost bolt holes are at an effective lever arm of 145mm, which matched my OE bar (15.875mm diameter). The innermost holes are at an effective lever arm of 120mm. Which checks out as a 22mm effective bar rate.

I am now curious if the new bar has slipped another hole in between, or whether there is now another, stiffer setting available??? :twisted:

I think that someone is going to have to take some measurements of those fitting hole centres and the perpendicular distance to the bushing axis.

Oh, and the BFR52 can be MADE to fit dammit. But it does act as a droop limiter on the rear suspension. Noisy and nerve racking, worrying about bending control arm.

twilightprotege · 11-10-2004, 12:07 PM

me wonders when they changed to 3 holes??? maybe they did with the invent of the front bar?

SFC01 · 11-10-2004, 12:09 PM

Curiouser and curiouser.

I am hoping that there is an additional stiff setting to match the new front bar. I might even then go the new bars myself...

twilightprotege · 11-10-2004, 12:21 PM

need to convince arden to get under his car yet again and do some measurements for us

SFC01 · 11-10-2004, 12:32 PM

To me the hole centres look as though they are about 2.5x hole diameter. For arguments sake say the outermost holes are stock and M8 bolts are used that would mean the alternate lever arms are: 145, 125, and 105!! For arguments sake that would put the middle hole roughly equivalent to my setting. And the 105mm would be an effective bar diameter of... 24mm.

That would then mean handling balance of OE Front + medium setting (mine as it sits) woud be equal to BMF50 + stiff setting - just stiffer overall!!

Now I am really curious...

twilightprotege · 11-10-2004, 12:48 PM

come on arden - get under that car of yours

arden · 11-10-2004, 01:16 PM

ill c wot i can do 2nite.

preeman80 · 11-10-2004, 06:58 PM

yup... i got mine.. what 2~3 weeks ago? and yes it only has 2 holes, and mine is running the stiffer, i.e. the first hole, closer to the bar, away from the edge, just like the photo above of the BFR59Z

twilightprotege · 11-10-2004, 07:48 PM

i'd say it has to be an upgrade to suit the new front bar

arden · 11-10-2004, 10:34 PM

Ok, just crawled under car to make measurements.
Innermost - 105mm
Middle - 125mm- Current position
Outmost - 145mm

twilightprotege · 12-10-2004, 07:08 AM

arh....so it is a new improved rear bar for the new front bar

i hope they damn well give me the 3 hole rear bar!

SFC01 · 12-10-2004, 01:29 PM

Blast. Now I am going to have to be a slave to fashion and get the new bars. D'OH.

Think of the fun that can be had with the 105mm setting with the OE front bar. Steady state oversteer, anyone? Uncontrollable throttle off oversteer. :twisted:

arden · 12-10-2004, 02:00 PM

Hey dont get it yet before confirming things with whiteline.
I still dont know why i got 3 holes when i got told it was same available bar .

SFC01 · 12-10-2004, 02:06 PM

I'm not ordering anything as yet. I will wait until a second person gets one with 3 holes.

arden · 12-10-2004, 02:40 PM

hahaha, good one.
hopefully that will be Twiggy.

11-10-2004, 11:36 AM	#181
SFC01 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mordialloc, VIC Posts: 167	Very interesting. I don't have any photos here at work of mine I think. But that definately has more holes than then model I have. BFR59Z right? __________________ SFC01 2003 BJII Astina Rampod/CAI, Adjustable Rear ARB, Strut Brace, slotted rotors RB156 pads, TWM Short Shifter + Kartboy shifter bushings

11-10-2004, 11:37 AM	#182
arden Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Car: Suby Posts: 1,280 View Photos By: arden	Yeh, BFR59Z, thats wot it shows up on invoice. __________________

11-10-2004, 11:41 AM	#183
SFC01 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mordialloc, VIC Posts: 167	Found a photo but don't know how to post it up. Definately 2 holes on mine. Also got a shot of a BFR52 on a BJII. By rights it shouldn't have fitted up, but then I am special. 8) __________________ SFC01 2003 BJII Astina Rampod/CAI, Adjustable Rear ARB, Strut Brace, slotted rotors RB156 pads, TWM Short Shifter + Kartboy shifter bushings

11-10-2004, 12:06 PM	#186
SFC01 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mordialloc, VIC Posts: 167	Thanks Arden. Yeah, the bar I have is 20mm. The outermost bolt holes are at an effective lever arm of 145mm, which matched my OE bar (15.875mm diameter). The innermost holes are at an effective lever arm of 120mm. Which checks out as a 22mm effective bar rate. I am now curious if the new bar has slipped another hole in between, or whether there is now another, stiffer setting available??? :twisted: I think that someone is going to have to take some measurements of those fitting hole centres and the perpendicular distance to the bushing axis. Oh, and the BFR52 can be MADE to fit dammit. But it does act as a droop limiter on the rear suspension. Noisy and nerve racking, worrying about bending control arm. __________________ SFC01 2003 BJII Astina Rampod/CAI, Adjustable Rear ARB, Strut Brace, slotted rotors RB156 pads, TWM Short Shifter + Kartboy shifter bushings

11-10-2004, 12:09 PM	#188
SFC01 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mordialloc, VIC Posts: 167	Curiouser and curiouser. I am hoping that there is an additional stiff setting to match the new front bar. I might even then go the new bars myself... __________________ SFC01 2003 BJII Astina Rampod/CAI, Adjustable Rear ARB, Strut Brace, slotted rotors RB156 pads, TWM Short Shifter + Kartboy shifter bushings

11-10-2004, 11:51 AM	#184
arden Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Car: Suby Posts: 1,280 View Photos By: arden	SFC01 BFR59z :

11-10-2004, 11:53 AM	#185
arden Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Car: Suby Posts: 1,280 View Photos By: arden	SFC01 Bfr52 :

11-10-2004, 12:07 PM	#187
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	me wonders when they changed to 3 holes??? maybe they did with the invent of the front bar?

11-10-2004, 12:21 PM	#189
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	need to convince arden to get under his car yet again and do some measurements for us

11-10-2004, 12:32 PM	#190
SFC01 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mordialloc, VIC Posts: 167	To me the hole centres look as though they are about 2.5x hole diameter. For arguments sake say the outermost holes are stock and M8 bolts are used that would mean the alternate lever arms are: 145, 125, and 105!! For arguments sake that would put the middle hole roughly equivalent to my setting. And the 105mm would be an effective bar diameter of... 24mm. That would then mean handling balance of OE Front + medium setting (mine as it sits) woud be equal to BMF50 + stiff setting - just stiffer overall!! Now I am really curious... __________________ SFC01 2003 BJII Astina Rampod/CAI, Adjustable Rear ARB, Strut Brace, slotted rotors RB156 pads, TWM Short Shifter + Kartboy shifter bushings

11-10-2004, 12:48 PM	#191
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	come on arden - get under that car of yours

11-10-2004, 01:16 PM	#192
arden Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Car: Suby Posts: 1,280 View Photos By: arden	ill c wot i can do 2nite. __________________

11-10-2004, 06:58 PM	#193
preeman80 AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sydney, AUS Car: SP20 BJII Hatch Posts: 446	yup... i got mine.. what 2~3 weeks ago? and yes it only has 2 holes, and mine is running the stiffer, i.e. the first hole, closer to the bar, away from the edge, just like the photo above of the BFR59Z

11-10-2004, 07:48 PM	#194
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	i'd say it has to be an upgrade to suit the new front bar

11-10-2004, 10:34 PM	#195
arden Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Car: Suby Posts: 1,280 View Photos By: arden	Ok, just crawled under car to make measurements. Innermost - 105mm Middle - 125mm- Current position Outmost - 145mm

12-10-2004, 07:08 AM	#196
twilightprotege Driving a faster car now! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Work, always at bloody work... Car: Lotus ....... . Posts: 5,217 View Photos By: twilightprotege	arh....so it is a new improved rear bar for the new front bar i hope they damn well give me the 3 hole rear bar!

12-10-2004, 01:29 PM	#197
SFC01 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mordialloc, VIC Posts: 167	Blast. Now I am going to have to be a slave to fashion and get the new bars. D'OH. Think of the fun that can be had with the 105mm setting with the OE front bar. Steady state oversteer, anyone? Uncontrollable throttle off oversteer. :twisted: __________________ SFC01 2003 BJII Astina Rampod/CAI, Adjustable Rear ARB, Strut Brace, slotted rotors RB156 pads, TWM Short Shifter + Kartboy shifter bushings

12-10-2004, 02:00 PM	#198
arden Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Car: Suby Posts: 1,280 View Photos By: arden	Hey dont get it yet before confirming things with whiteline. I still dont know why i got 3 holes when i got told it was same available bar . __________________

12-10-2004, 02:06 PM	#199
SFC01 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mordialloc, VIC Posts: 167	I'm not ordering anything as yet. I will wait until a second person gets one with 3 holes. __________________ SFC01 2003 BJII Astina Rampod/CAI, Adjustable Rear ARB, Strut Brace, slotted rotors RB156 pads, TWM Short Shifter + Kartboy shifter bushings

12-10-2004, 02:40 PM	#200
arden Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Car: Suby Posts: 1,280 View Photos By: arden	hahaha, good one. hopefully that will be Twiggy. __________________

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