Ben's SP20 - Page 18

BG1.8sp · 24-09-2012, 11:23 AM

That's where it was bashing on the subframe. And that's how it sat with stock endlinks

Sorry again Ben

TheMAN · 24-09-2012, 06:17 PM

you need longer end links
and yes, that bar looks like it's shaped exactly like the MSP one... wholesale needs to redesign that bar... they need to make it shaped like the SP20 but thicker!

this is too bad... they advertised something as straight bolt on for SP20 without needing to replace the rear crossmember... that is a lie!

TheMAN · 24-09-2012, 06:34 PM

I didn't see you post a comparison pic between both sway bars... so I'm going to put these side by side so we can see the clear differences:

notice how the ends are longer and curved a little? THAT is how the SP20 can use shorter end links and that is the way it needs to be if wholesale suspension wants to make a sway bar that will be a straight bolt on to the SP20 without doing anything else!

now take a look at how my MSP sway bar is mounted on my car:

the way it is positioned, the sway bar will NEVER hit the crossmember, never mind the fact that I'm using the correct matching crossmember with the car

it's late, it's dark, and I'm too tired/lazy to go out and take pics of the sway bar in it's normal position (wheels on the ground), so this bad pic I found will have to do:

As you can see the sway bar is rotated into position and the "racing beat" sticker faces straight towards the rear.... if you recall one of the pics I posted in my autoexe braces thread, it shows the rear sway bar, plenty of clearance from the crossmember and thus, no rubbing at all!

Rhys · 24-09-2012, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMAN

the stock BJ1 endlinks work fine if that sway bar is an exact duplicate of the MSP sway bar.... sounds like it is

Quote:

Originally Posted by BG1.8sp

So are the BJI endlinks longer than the bjII sp20 ones?

My endlinks were shorter than the ones that came with the MSF swaybar... Ben, you're welcome to my old endlinks if you wanna try them but i'm 90% sure they're the same as yours.

Ben · 24-09-2012, 09:06 PM

Stock vs new edwin.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhys

My endlinks were shorter than the ones that came with the MSF swaybar... Ben, you're welcome to my old endlinks if you wanna try them but i'm 90% sure they're the same as yours.

Next time we meet, bring them along and we'll have a geeze just to confirm... I want some thicker adjustable ones anyways for better performance over stock.

TheMAN · 24-09-2012, 09:59 PM

no, the BJ1 endlinks REALLY are longer
http://www.themazdaforum.com/showthr...l=1#post121855
the MSF/MSP uses the BJ1 endlinks

BG1.8sp · 24-09-2012, 11:08 PM

TheMAN - I already stated that I have put longer endlinks on to correct that issue. Am using the AAC ones. Just uploaded those pics as a reference as tho why the endlinks need to be longer.

Ben - stealing my pic are we

Lol... I have seen that driveway before

TheMAN · 25-09-2012, 05:18 AM

like I said... wholesale claiming that this is "like" the MSP sway bar but changed to let you fit it to the SP20 without changing anything else is bollocks! they need to go back to the drawing board!

BG1.8sp · 25-09-2012, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMAN

like I said... wholesale claiming that this is "like" the MSP sway bar but changed to let you fit it to the SP20 without changing anything else is bollocks! they need to go back to the drawing board!

Yeah, being able to run the stock length endlinks would be nice.
Shouldn't have to run longer endlinks.
I mean even bens hits the subframe on his with stock height.
In saying that.... It is the start of production.

Also ed, can you add some insight about the AWR brackets? As per above Q

TheMAN · 25-09-2012, 06:59 AM

read the thread I linked

marcs_sp20 · 25-09-2012, 07:23 AM

Ben, if it comes to the point where your gonna need new endlinks in the rear, I have new stock links (which are I think 20mm longer). Let us know

And for the record, I havent had any dramas with my 20mm Selby RSB since installation

BG1.8sp · 25-09-2012, 07:40 AM

So the answer was YES!

Exactly what I assumed. AWR brackets use the existing subframe mounts (one stud/ nut, one bolt. Then the original swaybar brackets use 2 bolts to mount to the AWR bracket.

Would have been shorter and easier jut to quote my post and say "Yes" lol

TheMAN · 25-09-2012, 08:24 AM

too much stuff in this thread, sorry I must have missed that question of yours

that bracket was meant to be used with the AWR sway bar (which is the stiffest/largest for our cars)... AWR probably found out during testing that they broke the sway bar mounts on the stock crossmember, which is why they designed those brackets that bolts into the crossmember, then you bolt the sway bar to the brackets... the brackets reinforces the crossmember... it's not quite as strong as welding metal gussets onto the crossmember like mazda did for the mazdaspeeds, but it worked good enough!

the brackets come as a kit with the horseshoe brackets and bushes.... $25
http://store.awrracing.com/products/...placement.html

BG1.8sp · 25-09-2012, 08:29 AM

Ahaha no worries

And Ben doesn't mind his thread being cluttered by me... He secretly loves it!
(loves the attention

)

So yeah there u go Ben... As above post ^^^^ that's how it works.

TheMAN · 25-09-2012, 08:35 AM

the side effect of mazda reinforcing the crossmember for the mazdaspeed is that it moves the sway bar further away from the crossmember, as the mounting points are raised from the metal gussets... so this in effect allows the bigger mazdaspeed sway bar to sit lower and well away from hitting the crossmember

the AWR brackets are no different, except it sits even further lower, which makes the sway bar ends pointing slightly angled upwards instead of parallel to the ground like it's supposed to... but it works fine I guess? that thread I linked from the US board shows what I mean

BG1.8sp · 25-09-2012, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMAN

the side effect of mazda reinforcing the crossmember for the mazdaspeed is that it moves the sway bar further away from the crossmember, as the mounting points are raised from the metal gussets... so this in effect allows the bigger mazdaspeed sway bar to sit lower and well away from hitting the crossmember

the AWR brackets are no different, except it sits even further lower, which makes the sway bar ends pointing slightly angled upwards instead of parallel to the ground like it's supposed to... but it works fine I guess? that thread I linked from the US board shows what I mean

Yep I had a skim through it. With the AAC endlinks would be able to adjust them to be almost parallel with the road. Might have a look into getting them.

Ben · 11-10-2012, 08:10 PM

Random picture i never uploaded for some reason....

Mazda SP20 by Photographs_by_Ben, on Flickr

Update while I'm here...Autoexe springs have been purchased..Waiting for the boat to arrive. Rear is squeaking, assuming bushes or endlinks are gone. Dont matter since i was going to get new endlinks anyways.

Also am currently *well rupe is* bidding on a Mazdaspeed Familia Racing Beat front sway bar on the auctions.

OH and the autoexe lip is now off the car since it snapped in two... Kind of gutted but knew it was going to happen, however im planning to get it fixed properly this time round.

project.r.racing · 11-10-2012, 08:20 PM

How on earth do you keep busting that lip on your 4WD? Oops I mean SP20!

Ben · 11-10-2012, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by project.r.racing

How on earth do you keep busting that lip on your 4WD? Oops I mean SP20!

It was busted when I bought it off marc and didn't get it.properly plastic welded when I got it painted...went down a steep driveway and crunched it pretty good and snapped it again. I left it on the car and it just got worse suppose by the pressure cause of the snap.

project.r.racing · 11-10-2012, 09:17 PM

Do you know what lpastic it is? I'm just about to buy a plastic welder to do my rear bumper.

24-09-2012, 11:23 AM	#341
BG1.8sp Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sydney Car: 2009 BL MPS Posts: 2,300 View Photos By: BG1.8sp	That's where it was bashing on the subframe. And that's how it sat with stock endlinks Sorry again Ben __________________

24-09-2012, 06:17 PM	#342
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	you need longer end links and yes, that bar looks like it's shaped exactly like the MSP one... wholesale needs to redesign that bar... they need to make it shaped like the SP20 but thicker! this is too bad... they advertised something as straight bolt on for SP20 without needing to replace the rear crossmember... that is a lie! __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

24-09-2012, 06:34 PM	#343
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	I didn't see you post a comparison pic between both sway bars... so I'm going to put these side by side so we can see the clear differences: notice how the ends are longer and curved a little? THAT is how the SP20 can use shorter end links and that is the way it needs to be if wholesale suspension wants to make a sway bar that will be a straight bolt on to the SP20 without doing anything else! now take a look at how my MSP sway bar is mounted on my car: the way it is positioned, the sway bar will NEVER hit the crossmember, never mind the fact that I'm using the correct matching crossmember with the car it's late, it's dark, and I'm too tired/lazy to go out and take pics of the sway bar in it's normal position (wheels on the ground), so this bad pic I found will have to do: As you can see the sway bar is rotated into position and the "racing beat" sticker faces straight towards the rear.... if you recall one of the pics I posted in my autoexe braces thread, it shows the rear sway bar, plenty of clearance from the crossmember and thus, no rubbing at all! __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

24-09-2012, 09:59 PM	#346
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	no, the BJ1 endlinks REALLY are longer http://www.themazdaforum.com/showthr...l=1#post121855 the MSF/MSP uses the BJ1 endlinks __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

24-09-2012, 11:08 PM	#347
BG1.8sp Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sydney Car: 2009 BL MPS Posts: 2,300 View Photos By: BG1.8sp	TheMAN - I already stated that I have put longer endlinks on to correct that issue. Am using the AAC ones. Just uploaded those pics as a reference as tho why the endlinks need to be longer. Ben - stealing my pic are we Lol... I have seen that driveway before __________________

25-09-2012, 05:18 AM	#348
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	like I said... wholesale claiming that this is "like" the MSP sway bar but changed to let you fit it to the SP20 without changing anything else is bollocks! they need to go back to the drawing board! __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

25-09-2012, 06:59 AM	#350
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	read the thread I linked __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

25-09-2012, 07:23 AM	#351
marcs_sp20 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Car: 2002 Mazda Astina SP20 2006 Mazda 6 GY Wagon Posts: 9,769 View Photos By: marcs_sp20	Ben, if it comes to the point where your gonna need new endlinks in the rear, I have new stock links (which are I think 20mm longer). Let us know And for the record, I havent had any dramas with my 20mm Selby RSB since installation __________________

25-09-2012, 07:40 AM	#352
BG1.8sp Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sydney Car: 2009 BL MPS Posts: 2,300 View Photos By: BG1.8sp	So the answer was YES! Exactly what I assumed. AWR brackets use the existing subframe mounts (one stud/ nut, one bolt. Then the original swaybar brackets use 2 bolts to mount to the AWR bracket. Would have been shorter and easier jut to quote my post and say "Yes" lol __________________

25-09-2012, 08:24 AM	#353
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	too much stuff in this thread, sorry I must have missed that question of yours that bracket was meant to be used with the AWR sway bar (which is the stiffest/largest for our cars)... AWR probably found out during testing that they broke the sway bar mounts on the stock crossmember, which is why they designed those brackets that bolts into the crossmember, then you bolt the sway bar to the brackets... the brackets reinforces the crossmember... it's not quite as strong as welding metal gussets onto the crossmember like mazda did for the mazdaspeeds, but it worked good enough! the brackets come as a kit with the horseshoe brackets and bushes.... $25 http://store.awrracing.com/products/...placement.html __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years Last edited by TheMAN; 25-09-2012 at 08:30 AM.

25-09-2012, 08:29 AM	#354
BG1.8sp Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sydney Car: 2009 BL MPS Posts: 2,300 View Photos By: BG1.8sp	Ahaha no worries And Ben doesn't mind his thread being cluttered by me... He secretly loves it! (loves the attention ) So yeah there u go Ben... As above post ^^^^ that's how it works. __________________

25-09-2012, 08:35 AM	#355
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	the side effect of mazda reinforcing the crossmember for the mazdaspeed is that it moves the sway bar further away from the crossmember, as the mounting points are raised from the metal gussets... so this in effect allows the bigger mazdaspeed sway bar to sit lower and well away from hitting the crossmember the AWR brackets are no different, except it sits even further lower, which makes the sway bar ends pointing slightly angled upwards instead of parallel to the ground like it's supposed to... but it works fine I guess? that thread I linked from the US board shows what I mean __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

11-10-2012, 08:10 PM	#357
Ben Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sunshine Coast Car: MPS Posts: 1,939	Random picture i never uploaded for some reason.... Mazda SP20 by Photographs_by_Ben, on Flickr Update while I'm here...Autoexe springs have been purchased..Waiting for the boat to arrive. Rear is squeaking, assuming bushes or endlinks are gone. Dont matter since i was going to get new endlinks anyways. Also am currently well rupe is bidding on a Mazdaspeed Familia Racing Beat front sway bar on the auctions. OH and the autoexe lip is now off the car since it snapped in two... Kind of gutted but knew it was going to happen, however im planning to get it fixed properly this time round. Last edited by Ben; 11-10-2012 at 08:16 PM.

11-10-2012, 08:20 PM	#358
project.r.racing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: n/a Car: n/a Posts: 10,929	How on earth do you keep busting that lip on your 4WD? Oops I mean SP20!

11-10-2012, 09:17 PM	#360
project.r.racing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: n/a Car: n/a Posts: 10,929	Do you know what lpastic it is? I'm just about to buy a plastic welder to do my rear bumper.