Engine swap - Engine swap

jeroentje.nl · 27-08-2002, 10:50 AM

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ost_uid0]Hi guy's

Is here anybody who has swapped the engine to a 2.5l V6 jp spec (200hp) ??
Or thinks about it.

sorry my english is not that good.

I'm from The Netherlands where upgrade products are hard to find.[/color

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BigMal · 27-08-2002, 11:21 AM

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ost_uid1]No have only seen it done with the Eunos 30x's.
Search some of the american pages where it seems
a common swap.

Regards

Mal[/color

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Dogo · 27-08-2002, 07:04 PM

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ost_uid0]Hi,

I havnt done it, but I definitely want to. I havnt looked into it tooo much yet. From what I understand, the 2.5 v6 engine is very much like the stock 2l v6 engine, and so Im hoping that the swap would be 'relatively' easy into a v6 astina.

Dave[/color

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Chronos · 18-09-2002, 07:14 PM

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ost_uid0]I'm interested in this too... any idea how much one of these engines costs? what about labour to fir it?[/color

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BigMal · 19-09-2002, 11:50 PM

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ost_uid1]Call ichiban out at morebank or jap imports for a price on
the 2.5 which is the MX6 motor isn't it. A basic remove
replace of a motor will cost about $500 if you don't need
other parts or if you want to do it yourself about $100
hire for a engine hoist and a weekend of labour by you.
I would recomend buying the matching ECU and engine
mounts when you buy the motor as the 2.5 would have
larger injectors. Best thing is to look at the US sites and
see if you can work out a parts list.

Regards

Mal[/color

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BigBoyLemonade · 20-09-2002, 08:43 PM

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ost_uid0]My friend who works for ford said that the 2.5litre is too big to fit in the astina engine bay, the 2.5 MX6 motor is the same as the 2.5 Probe and the laser is the same as the astina so Im guessing he would be right[/color

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EZZY · 20-09-2002, 09:10 PM

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ost_uid0]tony,
how are you going with your conversion?
i am de-turbocharging my mazda at the moment.

in regarding to the size of the engines for the astina, it all depending how much time and money you want to spend.
my mechanic has a spare rb26 and was very interested in squeezing that thing into my tiny mazda engine bay.[/color

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BigMal · 20-09-2002, 10:24 PM

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ost_uid1]I wouldn't have thought there was much diff between a
Eunos 30x engine bay and a Astina bay and they have
made them fit into the Eunos.
Needs a lot of research by the sounds of it.[/color

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BigMal · 20-09-2002, 10:28 PM

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ost_uid1]Eric,
You keep on throwing up suggestions about using North/South
engines which would require a tunnel to be made into your
Astina. Is you guy able to do this sort of work. If so I
would be interested in know what sort of ballpark we are
talking about to enlarge the front tunnel to fit a 4WD
transmission.

Ta

Mal[/color

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jeroentje.nl · 26-09-2002, 06:38 PM

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ost_uid0]Oh the conversion is next year.
First a new exaust. Then a rear skirt(pakfeifer) Spoiler (carmate) and front bumber(carmate).

I was wondering....in the mx-3 fits a 2.5l so that almost the same as a astina ?![/color

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EZZY · 26-09-2002, 09:23 PM

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ost_uid0]mal,
it will be somewhere around $10k mark for the conversion not inc. the engine.[/color

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BigMal · 26-09-2002, 10:12 PM

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ost_uid1]Is that for your conversion or what I was talking about
in bolting a 4wd transmission to my BP in a E/W direction.

Ta

Mal[/color

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PinkMX-3 · 24-11-2002, 04:32 AM

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ost_uid0]I put a Japanese KLZE 2.5L V6 into my Mazda MX-3. Easy as pie. All stock mounts/tranny/crossmembers/etc. You'll most likely have to use your stock exhaust manifolds, and intake manifold [might be able to fit one from a japanese 2.5L millenia]. 200hp and 175 ft/lbs is a whole lot of fun

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PinkMX-3 · 24-11-2002, 04:33 AM

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ost_uid0]My friend who works for ford said that the 2.5litre is too big to fit in the astina engine bay, the 2.5 MX6 motor is the same as the 2.5 Probe and the laser is the same as the astina so Im guessing he would be right[/color

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PinkMX-3 · 24-11-2002, 04:34 AM

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ost_uid0]The KLZE/KLDE is externally identical to the KFZE 2.0L ya'll have. No size difference. 0mm. nada. zip. The only difference is the bore and stroke, which is inside. That's the beauty of it...nobody knows its a 2.5L except you

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Sandyman · 24-11-2002, 05:53 AM

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ost_uid0]ahhhhh.... don't that jsut make u go

tryna talk my dad into it. love to race some mates when i get my P's, especially since they'll just think its a povass little 1.8 litre....
Think they might get the message that Astinas are not to be f***ed with?

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BigBoyLemonade · 24-11-2002, 07:32 PM

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ost_uid0]well there you go... stand corrected...[/color

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Mr MX6 · 25-11-2002, 02:42 PM

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ost_uid0]The KLZE/KLDE is externally identical to the KFZE 2.0L ya'll have. *No size difference. *0mm. *nada. *zip. *The only difference is the bore and stroke, which is inside. *That's the beauty of it...nobody knows its a 2.5L except you

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ost_uid0]The block and head etc is the same …
But the exhaust and inlet manifold is quite different…
I don’t know if the KLO3 or KLZE inlet manifold will clear the hood on a lantis or astina/323 .
The KLO3 ~ 170 Hp and has lower compression so it is better suited to turbo and Nitro applications..
But if you are after just N/A performance you cant go past the KLZE @ ~ 200 Hp..
But I would not assume ether would fit I would have a good measure of the clearance at the top of the motor B4 you rip out your old motor..[/color

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MrShadow · 25-11-2002, 09:39 PM

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ost_uid0]tryna talk my dad into it. love to race some mates when i get my P's, especially since they'll just think its a povass little 1.8 litre....
Think they might get the message that Astinas are not to be f***ed with? [/quote

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Now that's what I love about the Astinas. Eveybody thinks they're either stock standard family cars, or "riced" up PoS's. Then you drop the clutch, hear that lovely whine and leave em in your dust - mmmm, turbo. Gonna have to wait till I'm 25 and have lots more money :angry:[/color

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Sandyman · 26-11-2002, 04:10 AM

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ost_uid14]yeah, beuty of a car. 2 bad i'm 15

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27-08-2002, 10:50 AM	#1
jeroentje.nl Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 31	[color=#000000ost_uid0]Hi guy's Is here anybody who has swapped the engine to a 2.5l V6 jp spec (200hp) ?? Or thinks about it. sorry my english is not that good. I'm from The Netherlands where upgrade products are hard to find.[/colorost_uid0] __________________ Sorry my english is not that good. [img:sig_uid]http://www.getreal.nl/media/small.gif[/img:sig_uid]

27-08-2002, 11:21 AM	#2
BigMal 1ST BA TURBO MEMBER Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sydney Car: BA Astina Turbo Posts: 4,195 View Photos By: BigMal	[color=#000000ost_uid1]No have only seen it done with the Eunos 30x's. Search some of the american pages where it seems a common swap. Regards Mal[/colorost_uid1] __________________ If you want wind in your hair add a Hairdryer !!!

27-08-2002, 07:04 PM	#3
Dogo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Melb, Aus Car: Mazda 323 BA BPT transplant Posts: 3,459 View Photos By: Dogo	[color=#000000ost_uid0]Hi, I havnt done it, but I definitely want to. I havnt looked into it tooo much yet. From what I understand, the 2.5 v6 engine is very much like the stock 2l v6 engine, and so Im hoping that the swap would be 'relatively' easy into a v6 astina. Dave[/colorost_uid0] __________________ [ Turbo BA ] see my readers ride

18-09-2002, 07:14 PM	#4
Chronos Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Miranda, Sydney Posts: 70	[color=#000000ost_uid0]I'm interested in this too... any idea how much one of these engines costs? what about labour to fir it?[/colorost_uid0]

19-09-2002, 11:50 PM	#5
BigMal 1ST BA TURBO MEMBER Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sydney Car: BA Astina Turbo Posts: 4,195 View Photos By: BigMal	[color=#000000ost_uid1]Call ichiban out at morebank or jap imports for a price on the 2.5 which is the MX6 motor isn't it. A basic remove replace of a motor will cost about $500 if you don't need other parts or if you want to do it yourself about $100 hire for a engine hoist and a weekend of labour by you. I would recomend buying the matching ECU and engine mounts when you buy the motor as the 2.5 would have larger injectors. Best thing is to look at the US sites and see if you can work out a parts list. Regards Mal[/colorost_uid1] __________________ If you want wind in your hair add a Hairdryer !!!

20-09-2002, 08:43 PM	#6
BigBoyLemonade The Architect Join Date: Jul 1998 Location: Canberra, ACT Car: AUSDM S6 RX7 Posts: 1,600 View Photos By: BigBoyLemonade	[color=#000000ost_uid0]My friend who works for ford said that the 2.5litre is too big to fit in the astina engine bay, the 2.5 MX6 motor is the same as the 2.5 Probe and the laser is the same as the astina so Im guessing he would be right[/colorost_uid0] __________________ Tony Formally known as Lantis and Xedos Infinite Networks- Creative Web design and powerful online application solutions

20-09-2002, 09:10 PM	#7
EZZY AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 307	[color=#FF7F00ost_uid0]tony, how are you going with your conversion? i am de-turbocharging my mazda at the moment. in regarding to the size of the engines for the astina, it all depending how much time and money you want to spend. my mechanic has a spare rb26 and was very interested in squeezing that thing into my tiny mazda engine bay.[/colorost_uid0] __________________ [url=www.ezzy-style.com.au]EZZY-Style Motorsportsurl]

20-09-2002, 10:24 PM	#8
BigMal 1ST BA TURBO MEMBER Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sydney Car: BA Astina Turbo Posts: 4,195 View Photos By: BigMal	[color=#000000ost_uid1]I wouldn't have thought there was much diff between a Eunos 30x engine bay and a Astina bay and they have made them fit into the Eunos. Needs a lot of research by the sounds of it.[/colorost_uid1] __________________ If you want wind in your hair add a Hairdryer !!!

20-09-2002, 10:28 PM	#9
BigMal 1ST BA TURBO MEMBER Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sydney Car: BA Astina Turbo Posts: 4,195 View Photos By: BigMal	[color=#000000ost_uid1]Eric, You keep on throwing up suggestions about using North/South engines which would require a tunnel to be made into your Astina. Is you guy able to do this sort of work. If so I would be interested in know what sort of ballpark we are talking about to enlarge the front tunnel to fit a 4WD transmission. Ta Mal[/colorost_uid1] __________________ If you want wind in your hair add a Hairdryer !!!

26-09-2002, 06:38 PM	#10
jeroentje.nl Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 31	[color=#000000ost_uid0]Oh the conversion is next year. First a new exaust. Then a rear skirt(pakfeifer) Spoiler (carmate) and front bumber(carmate). I was wondering....in the mx-3 fits a 2.5l so that almost the same as a astina ?![/colorost_uid0] __________________ Sorry my english is not that good. [img:sig_uid]http://www.getreal.nl/media/small.gif[/img:sig_uid]

26-09-2002, 09:23 PM	#11
EZZY AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 307	[color=#FF7F00ost_uid0]mal, it will be somewhere around $10k mark for the conversion not inc. the engine.[/colorost_uid0] __________________ [url=www.ezzy-style.com.au]EZZY-Style Motorsportsurl]

26-09-2002, 10:12 PM	#12
BigMal 1ST BA TURBO MEMBER Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sydney Car: BA Astina Turbo Posts: 4,195 View Photos By: BigMal	[color=#000000ost_uid1]Is that for your conversion or what I was talking about in bolting a 4wd transmission to my BP in a E/W direction. Ta Mal[/colorost_uid1] __________________ If you want wind in your hair add a Hairdryer !!!

24-11-2002, 04:32 AM	#13
PinkMX-3 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Gainesville, FL, USA Posts: 10	[color=#000000ost_uid0]I put a Japanese KLZE 2.5L V6 into my Mazda MX-3. Easy as pie. All stock mounts/tranny/crossmembers/etc. You'll most likely have to use your stock exhaust manifolds, and intake manifold [might be able to fit one from a japanese 2.5L millenia]. 200hp and 175 ft/lbs is a whole lot of fun [/colorost_uid0] __________________ [b:sig_uid][i:sig_uid]David Coleman[/b:sig_uid][/i:sig_uid] 1993 Mazda MX-3 GSR Special Edition [b:sig_uid]MX-3 V6 FAQ Forum[/b:sig_uid]

24-11-2002, 04:33 AM	#14
PinkMX-3 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Gainesville, FL, USA Posts: 10	[quoteost_uid0="Lantis"][color=#000000ost_uid0]My friend who works for ford said that the 2.5litre is too big to fit in the astina engine bay, the 2.5 MX6 motor is the same as the 2.5 Probe and the laser is the same as the astina so Im guessing he would be right[/colorost_uid0][/quoteost_uid0] [color=#000000ost_uid0]Your friend is dead wrong.[/colorost_uid0] __________________ [b:sig_uid][i:sig_uid]David Coleman[/b:sig_uid][/i:sig_uid] 1993 Mazda MX-3 GSR Special Edition [b:sig_uid]MX-3 V6 FAQ Forum[/b:sig_uid]

24-11-2002, 04:34 AM	#15
PinkMX-3 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Gainesville, FL, USA Posts: 10	[color=#000000ost_uid0]The KLZE/KLDE is externally identical to the KFZE 2.0L ya'll have. No size difference. 0mm. nada. zip. The only difference is the bore and stroke, which is inside. That's the beauty of it...nobody knows its a 2.5L except you [/colorost_uid0] __________________ [b:sig_uid][i:sig_uid]David Coleman[/b:sig_uid][/i:sig_uid] 1993 Mazda MX-3 GSR Special Edition [b:sig_uid]MX-3 V6 FAQ Forum[/b:sig_uid]

24-11-2002, 05:53 AM	#16
Sandyman Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newcastle Posts: 879	[color=#FF0000ost_uid0]ahhhhh.... don't that jsut make u go tryna talk my dad into it. love to race some mates when i get my P's, especially since they'll just think its a povass little 1.8 litre.... Think they might get the message that Astinas are not to be f***ed with? [/colorost_uid0] __________________ Vulnerant omnes, ultima necat. All of them wound, the last one kills.

24-11-2002, 07:32 PM	#17
BigBoyLemonade The Architect Join Date: Jul 1998 Location: Canberra, ACT Car: AUSDM S6 RX7 Posts: 1,600 View Photos By: BigBoyLemonade	[color=#000000ost_uid0]well there you go... stand corrected...[/colorost_uid0] __________________ Tony Formally known as Lantis and Xedos Infinite Networks- Creative Web design and powerful online application solutions

25-11-2002, 02:42 PM	#18
Mr MX6 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Perth Western Australia Posts: 87	[quoteost_uid0="PinkMX-3"][color=#000000ost_uid0]The KLZE/KLDE is externally identical to the KFZE 2.0L ya'll have. No size difference. 0mm. nada. zip. The only difference is the bore and stroke, which is inside. That's the beauty of it...nobody knows its a 2.5L except you [/colorost_uid0][/quoteost_uid0] [color=#000000ost_uid0]The block and head etc is the same … But the exhaust and inlet manifold is quite different… I don’t know if the KLO3 or KLZE inlet manifold will clear the hood on a lantis or astina/323 . The KLO3 ~ 170 Hp and has lower compression so it is better suited to turbo and Nitro applications.. But if you are after just N/A performance you cant go past the KLZE @ ~ 200 Hp.. But I would not assume ether would fit I would have a good measure of the clearance at the top of the motor B4 you rip out your old motor..[/colorost_uid0] __________________ Mazda V6s rock!

25-11-2002, 09:39 PM	#19
MrShadow Senior Time-waster Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Airborne somewhere in Aus... Car: 2005 SP23 Hatch Posts: 1,779 View Photos By: MrShadow	[color=#000000ost_uid0][quoteost_uid0]tryna talk my dad into it. love to race some mates when i get my P's, especially since they'll just think its a povass little 1.8 litre.... Think they might get the message that Astinas are not to be f***ed with? [/quoteost_uid0] Now that's what I love about the Astinas. Eveybody thinks they're either stock standard family cars, or "riced" up PoS's. Then you drop the clutch, hear that lovely whine and leave em in your dust - mmmm, turbo. Gonna have to wait till I'm 25 and have lots more money :angry:[/colorost_uid0] __________________ Gimme a caffeine drip and I'll be right.... Confuscias say "man who go to sleep with itchy bottom, wake up with smelly finger"

26-11-2002, 04:10 AM	#20
Sandyman Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newcastle Posts: 879	[color=#FF0000ost_uid14]yeah, beuty of a car. 2 bad i'm 15 [/colorost_uid14] __________________ Vulnerant omnes, ultima necat. All of them wound, the last one kills.

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