Driving on 3 Cylinders

da20valve · 11-11-2012, 03:44 PM

So i got fuel yesterday and drove about 40 k's, did what i had to do about 9 hours later i had to drive home about another 40k's later (80k round trip) whilist doing 100 km/h on the freeway it suddenly just dropped a cylinder and starting running on three, i lost a **** load of power (as you do) and limped it home. Just wondering could it be the fuel ? or if it was shouldn't it happen straight away (not after like 80k's) if it is the fuel is there anything i can add to it to get rid of it (or do i have to drain it ) And.... if its not the fuel are you thinking maybe a lead of plug.

Also will it hurt it driving to town and back on 3 (about 6k round trip)

HAIGHIE · 11-11-2012, 04:15 PM

running on 3 cylinders isn't adviseable,

i'd be checking the plugs and leads/coils and maybe even a compression test, but start with the leads just have the car running and pull one lead or coil off at a time and narrow it down to which cylinder it has lost and then start from there
ie. test lead for continuity
check the plug
compression test

Clean_Cookie · 11-11-2012, 04:16 PM

First. Remove the spark plug leads, make sure all holes are completely dry. Replace firmly. Then check the connections on the dizzy, they are good at falling off. Then try removing a lead while running and find out which cyl it is. Replacing the plugs may help too.

HAIGHIE · 11-11-2012, 04:22 PM

is a BJ no dizzy but yes that same conception

Clean_Cookie · 11-11-2012, 04:30 PM

oh oops...COP may be the culpit then?

HAIGHIE · 11-11-2012, 04:34 PM

yer bing a sp20 it's more then likely going to be a coil

project.r.racing · 11-11-2012, 05:16 PM

check leads and cops.

da20valve · 11-11-2012, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HAIGHIE

running on 3 cylinders isn't adviseable,

i'd be checking the plugs and leads/coils and maybe even a compression test, but start with the leads just have the car running and pull one lead or coil off at a time and narrow it down to which cylinder it has lost and then start from there
ie. test lead for continuity
check the plug
compression test

To check for contunuity do you just measure the lead with a multimeter ??
What should it be ?
DO you just removed the lead and measure each end ??
ALSO just had a look on the topgun site and it states that the same leads are used for the 98-2002 models for 1.8 and 2.0lt
So it seems these are the same leads, is this correct. ( thinking of heading to the wreckers if autobarn doesn have them in stock, just to get me out of trouble till they come in)

Spykey · 11-11-2012, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by da20valve

To check for contunuity do you just measure the lead with a multimeter ??
What should it be ?
DO you just removed the lead and measure each end ??

Close to 0 Ohm (Zero Ohm) is you measure resistance, or will beep if your multimeter got continuity test..

HAIGHIE · 11-11-2012, 07:22 PM

yer just messure from one end of the lead to the other with a multimeter on ohms reading, should be 8 ohms per foot so work out how long your lead is and adjust to size, if it's like 100mm long anything between like 1.5 to 3 should be pretty sweet,

and if your car is the sp20 then your leads will be the same as any sp20 or if 1.8 from 2001 on (facelift)

project.r.racing · 11-11-2012, 08:22 PM

see i'm old skool. i'd just pull each lead/cop out and place the end/tip on the engine cover. which ever one doesn't spark/arc accross to the engine cover is the fubarred one.

HAIGHIE · 11-11-2012, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by project.r.racing

see i'm old skool. i'd just pull each lead/cop out and place the end/tip on the engine cover. which ever one doesn't spark/arc accross to the engine cover is the fubarred one.

old skool is the best way so much easyer

da20valve · 11-11-2012, 09:38 PM

Going to go to the shop tomorrow and get leads and plugs,
Whats the gap supposed to be for the plug.

From what i understand you cant buy just 1 lead anyway so i figured i may aswell get a new topgun set )if they have them.

I pulled the lead of on the left and the car still ran like crap so i figured it must be that one.

HAIGHIE · 11-11-2012, 11:33 PM

swap the coil over and then check it again to see if it's the lead or the coil if its the lead it'll be the same cylinder if its the coil it should do the same as what it do in cylinder 1 but on cylinder 3 if that makes sence?

da20valve · 12-11-2012, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HAIGHIE

swap the coil over and then check it again to see if it's the lead or the coil if its the lead it'll be the same cylinder if its the coil it should do the same as what it do in cylinder 1 but on cylinder 3 if that makes sence?

That makes sense, but i am stupid and cant seem to locate the coil, where abouts are they ??

JDM323 · 12-11-2012, 06:03 AM

on top of the motor.

TheMAN · 12-11-2012, 06:20 AM

I'm willing to bet the coil died
you're not the first person to get symptoms like this

replace ALL plugs, leads, and coils.... should fix it

HAIGHIE · 12-11-2012, 12:51 PM

the coil is the unit that the lead plugs in to it's held down by to 10mm bolts. there should be 2 of them so just swap them around and you'll have your answer hopefully

da20valve · 12-11-2012, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HAIGHIE

the coil is the unit that the lead plugs in to it's held down by to 10mm bolts. there should be 2 of them so just swap them around and you'll have your answer hopefully

I was going to say that originally but i thought, how can the coils be that small.going to swap them and see whats up,

I got some new leads (top gun) and it still remains, i will swap the coils now and see whats up

TheMAN · 12-11-2012, 01:25 PM

replace both coils
don't ask me to explain why... the answers can be found by searching if you really want to know why

the problem that you have is much too common with these cars, more and more as these cars age... so as long as you do what I recommended, it will not only fix your immediate problem, but it'll prevent further costly ones

11-11-2012, 03:44 PM	#1
da20valve Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Nowra Car: SP20 2002 Posts: 207	Driving on 3 Cylinders So i got fuel yesterday and drove about 40 k's, did what i had to do about 9 hours later i had to drive home about another 40k's later (80k round trip) whilist doing 100 km/h on the freeway it suddenly just dropped a cylinder and starting running on three, i lost a **** load of power (as you do) and limped it home. Just wondering could it be the fuel ? or if it was shouldn't it happen straight away (not after like 80k's) if it is the fuel is there anything i can add to it to get rid of it (or do i have to drain it ) And.... if its not the fuel are you thinking maybe a lead of plug. Also will it hurt it driving to town and back on 3 (about 6k round trip)

11-11-2012, 04:15 PM	#2
HAIGHIE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: wollongong Car: 99, BJ 323 astina hatch Posts: 1,506	running on 3 cylinders isn't adviseable, i'd be checking the plugs and leads/coils and maybe even a compression test, but start with the leads just have the car running and pull one lead or coil off at a time and narrow it down to which cylinder it has lost and then start from there ie. test lead for continuity check the plug compression test __________________ Cars .. 1: 241kw Turbo 1999 BJ 323 Astina . 2: 1983 ke70 Corolla. 3: 2011 PK Ranger Wildtrak (tow car )

11-11-2012, 04:16 PM	#3
Clean_Cookie obsessed-incomplete-broke Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brisbane Car: BA Hardtop/Hatch Posts: 5,441	First. Remove the spark plug leads, make sure all holes are completely dry. Replace firmly. Then check the connections on the dizzy, they are good at falling off. Then try removing a lead while running and find out which cyl it is. Replacing the plugs may help too. __________________ Worklog

11-11-2012, 04:22 PM	#4
HAIGHIE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: wollongong Car: 99, BJ 323 astina hatch Posts: 1,506	is a BJ no dizzy but yes that same conception __________________ Cars .. 1: 241kw Turbo 1999 BJ 323 Astina . 2: 1983 ke70 Corolla. 3: 2011 PK Ranger Wildtrak (tow car )

11-11-2012, 04:30 PM	#5
Clean_Cookie obsessed-incomplete-broke Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brisbane Car: BA Hardtop/Hatch Posts: 5,441	oh oops...COP may be the culpit then? __________________ Worklog

11-11-2012, 04:34 PM	#6
HAIGHIE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: wollongong Car: 99, BJ 323 astina hatch Posts: 1,506	yer bing a sp20 it's more then likely going to be a coil __________________ Cars .. 1: 241kw Turbo 1999 BJ 323 Astina . 2: 1983 ke70 Corolla. 3: 2011 PK Ranger Wildtrak (tow car )

11-11-2012, 05:16 PM	#7
project.r.racing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: n/a Car: n/a Posts: 10,929	check leads and cops.

11-11-2012, 07:22 PM	#10
HAIGHIE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: wollongong Car: 99, BJ 323 astina hatch Posts: 1,506	yer just messure from one end of the lead to the other with a multimeter on ohms reading, should be 8 ohms per foot so work out how long your lead is and adjust to size, if it's like 100mm long anything between like 1.5 to 3 should be pretty sweet, and if your car is the sp20 then your leads will be the same as any sp20 or if 1.8 from 2001 on (facelift) __________________ Cars .. 1: 241kw Turbo 1999 BJ 323 Astina . 2: 1983 ke70 Corolla. 3: 2011 PK Ranger Wildtrak (tow car )

11-11-2012, 08:22 PM	#11
project.r.racing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: n/a Car: n/a Posts: 10,929	see i'm old skool. i'd just pull each lead/cop out and place the end/tip on the engine cover. which ever one doesn't spark/arc accross to the engine cover is the fubarred one.

11-11-2012, 09:38 PM	#13
da20valve Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Nowra Car: SP20 2002 Posts: 207	Going to go to the shop tomorrow and get leads and plugs, Whats the gap supposed to be for the plug. From what i understand you cant buy just 1 lead anyway so i figured i may aswell get a new topgun set )if they have them. I pulled the lead of on the left and the car still ran like crap so i figured it must be that one.

11-11-2012, 11:33 PM	#14
HAIGHIE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: wollongong Car: 99, BJ 323 astina hatch Posts: 1,506	swap the coil over and then check it again to see if it's the lead or the coil if its the lead it'll be the same cylinder if its the coil it should do the same as what it do in cylinder 1 but on cylinder 3 if that makes sence? __________________ Cars .. 1: 241kw Turbo 1999 BJ 323 Astina . 2: 1983 ke70 Corolla. 3: 2011 PK Ranger Wildtrak (tow car )

12-11-2012, 06:03 AM	#16
JDM323 Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: North Qld Car: 2002 BJ2 protege Posts: 1,241	on top of the motor. __________________ http://www.astinagt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18798 WORKLOG

12-11-2012, 06:20 AM	#17
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	I'm willing to bet the coil died you're not the first person to get symptoms like this replace ALL plugs, leads, and coils.... should fix it __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

12-11-2012, 12:51 PM	#18
HAIGHIE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: wollongong Car: 99, BJ 323 astina hatch Posts: 1,506	the coil is the unit that the lead plugs in to it's held down by to 10mm bolts. there should be 2 of them so just swap them around and you'll have your answer hopefully __________________ Cars .. 1: 241kw Turbo 1999 BJ 323 Astina . 2: 1983 ke70 Corolla. 3: 2011 PK Ranger Wildtrak (tow car )

12-11-2012, 01:25 PM	#20
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	replace both coils don't ask me to explain why... the answers can be found by searching if you really want to know why the problem that you have is much too common with these cars, more and more as these cars age... so as long as you do what I recommended, it will not only fix your immediate problem, but it'll prevent further costly ones __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years