Ben's SP20 - Page 17

Ben · 12-09-2012, 06:42 PM

Or i'll just park it out the front and only move it in for working on it haha. Road is going to kill me though its so rough as is.

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Originally Posted by BG1.8sp

This ^^ lol

Also if you lower it you are going to need longer swaybar endlinks with that bar!

Yeah was going to see if darryl was going to do the AAC ones. Wrote that review yet?

jkdjacob · 18-09-2012, 10:32 PM

Looks so good! Love it! And yeah mine revs the same as that in 5th I thought it was a bit weird too.

BG1.8sp · 19-09-2012, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben

Or i'll just park it out the front and only move it in for working on it haha. Road is going to kill me though its so rough as is.

Yeah was going to see if darryl was going to do the AAC ones. Wrote that review yet?

No review yet, currently in the states. One bearing out of 8 has play causing bit of rattle. He is sending me a new bearing when I get back.
Haven't installed the front endlinks yet either. As said.. Wen I am back all will be done

Ben · 19-09-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jkdjacob

Looks so good! Love it! And yeah mine revs the same as that in 5th I thought it was a bit weird too.

Hey Jacob! First post! Post up a intro man! Some guys can help you out with your engine problems.

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Originally Posted by BG1.8sp

No review yet, currently in the states. One bearing out of 8 has play causing bit of rattle. He is sending me a new bearing when I get back.
Haven't installed the front endlinks yet either. As said.. Wen I am back all will be done

Yeah springs will be awhile anyways, so im looking at getting them done the same time.

Zenki · 23-09-2012, 12:04 AM

What brand of that sway bar Ben? Looking to get one :P

BG1.8sp · 23-09-2012, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Zenki

What brand of that sway bar Ben? Looking to get one :P

Whole sale suspension rear away bar

TheMAN · 23-09-2012, 03:20 AM

maybe its shaped after the mazdaspeed sway bar instead of the sp20?

JDM323 · 23-09-2012, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMAN

maybe its shaped after the mazdaspeed sway bar instead of the sp20?

that wholesale suspension rear swaybar is a mazdaspeed copy made to suit non mazdaspeed rear crossmember.
does the mazdaspeed have different endlinks ed?

TheMAN · 23-09-2012, 04:07 PM

then it's not suited to fit the regular crossmember, because the bends of the sway bar near the bush mounting points are very different from the regular sway bar

the mazdaspeed rear sway bar uses the BJ1 end links... longer

TheMAN · 23-09-2012, 04:28 PM

here's a pic showing the difference... notice the MSP sway bar is bent more in the middle sections

more pics of the MSP sway bar

another pic of the stock sway bar

the wholesale suspension sway bar is bent too much in otherwords... THAT'S WHY it hits your crossmember.... but let's not worry about why... let's worry about how that big sway bar is going to rip the stud off your crossmember... there's a reason why mazda reinforced the mounting points on the mazdaspeed versions and used 2 bolts for the rear sway bar instead of 1 stud/1 bolt combo.... that's also why the AWR uses a relocation bracket, in order to strengthen the mounting points and not add stress to the crossmember

see this thread:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...y-bar-on-P5-ES
what he did isn't ideal, but it works reliably at least!

Ben · 23-09-2012, 09:24 PM

As kris and Phil heard today, its not crazy bad. Just over big bumps, worse with people in the back. But when its me in the car it barely makes a noise. Speed bumps upset it.

It'll be fine once i get longer endlinks. Suggestions on what? Aaron got the AAC ones, but i dont always have to follow the heard

TheMAN · 24-09-2012, 04:40 AM

the stock BJ1 endlinks work fine if that sway bar is an exact duplicate of the MSP sway bar.... sounds like it is

BG1.8sp · 24-09-2012, 04:56 AM

So are the BJI endlinks longer than the bjII sp20 ones?

JDM323 · 24-09-2012, 05:53 AM

my links are 160mm and i have found that you can get 190mm so i'd guess that they are bj1

familiagtx · 24-09-2012, 06:58 AM

The swaybar is bent exactly the same as a normal sp20 bar, as the original sample is a sp20 / p5 mp3 bar. I know as I designed it.

The mock up was done with a lowered ride of 30mm

If the swaybar is slapping in the middle of the crossmember, you need to alter the link height.

I think the use of the suggested AWR bracket is an awesome idea, as it was something that I was going to have made, but due to the low volume of sales, the small quantity would work out expensive per piece.

My only flaw is the different curves in the subframe between models, a lot of members that have purchased the swaybar have had fitment issues with the lateral locks rubbing against the subframe.

BG1.8sp · 24-09-2012, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by familiagtx

The swaybar is bent exactly the same as a normal sp20 bar, as the original sample is a sp20 / p5 mp3 bar. I know as I designed it.

The mock up was done with a lowered ride of 30mm

If the swaybar is slapping in the middle of the crossmember, you need to alter the link height.

I think the use of the suggested AWR bracket is an awesome idea, as it was something that I was going to have made, but due to the low volume of sales, the small quantity would work out expensive per piece.

My only flaw is the different curves in the subframe between models, a lot of members that have purchased the swaybar have had fitment issues with the lateral locks rubbing against the subframe.

My lateral locks were rubbing, ground down a bit all sweet now.
I am also lowered 30mm and was slapping the swaybar against the subframe.
So AAC adjustable endlinks (longer rear ones) were the go there.

I am inbetween ATM for upgrading/strengthening the mounts. Like the AWR ones.
Just a question about those...
So the AWR bracket is bolted to the subframe via the stock stud and a bolt. Then then origional swaybar bracket bolts onto the AWR bracket via 2 bolts????

EDIT: sorry Ben for this clutter... But it might help you later

Atleast that's my justification anyway

Ben · 24-09-2012, 09:27 AM

No carry on. This is useful. Planning on getting the longer endlinks within the next month. But can you just upgrade the mounts and it would be fine with the stock endlinks? Dont know what would be cheaper. Maybe i'll change both

*also awaits Azza's question about the AWR bracket to be answered for clearer understanding*

Ben · 24-09-2012, 09:35 AM

Also, i can take a picture of where its hitting for future reference if you want familiagtx?? I've just persuaded the subframe a little with a few bashes with mr bangy.

BG1.8sp · 24-09-2012, 09:41 AM

Well those brackets might help a little. For you on stick height might be just enough... But I was hitting hard so just the brackets wouldn't be enough.
Also reguarding yor question about endlinks... Tbh you can get any you find... So long as its the same stud diameter and the correct length you need.
Or AAC adjustables, pedders do adjustables. Again... Anything will do so long as the stud fits through the hole in the sway bar and the strut mount and Aslong as it has the capability of being adjusted to the length you need.

If your a little handy and cbfed you can make your own too

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The upgraded (thicker) endlinks definitely increased rear end feel, and made it sharper... So for the price of the AAC ones I would get those.
If you are worried about that rattle lol, it was just one bearing with play... When I get back noah is happy to send me another bearing free of charge. So ya.

Ben · 24-09-2012, 09:46 AM

Remember its going down south 30mm in a few months. So i'm living with the bump and getting it all done when i'll drop it. (Since it will go crazy when i lower it, much like yours) Starting to stockpile the parts now though haha.

I'll check out pedders since i've got half there stuff installed under there. (Shocks, bushes etc) I'll check out AAC ones too. *still awaits answers about the AWR bracket though

*

23-09-2012, 12:04 AM	#325
Zenki Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: The Festival State Car: BJII Protege Posts: 217	What brand of that sway bar Ben? Looking to get one :P __________________

23-09-2012, 03:20 AM	#327
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	maybe its shaped after the mazdaspeed sway bar instead of the sp20? __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

23-09-2012, 04:07 PM	#329
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	then it's not suited to fit the regular crossmember, because the bends of the sway bar near the bush mounting points are very different from the regular sway bar the mazdaspeed rear sway bar uses the BJ1 end links... longer __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

23-09-2012, 04:28 PM	#330
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	here's a pic showing the difference... notice the MSP sway bar is bent more in the middle sections more pics of the MSP sway bar another pic of the stock sway bar the wholesale suspension sway bar is bent too much in otherwords... THAT'S WHY it hits your crossmember.... but let's not worry about why... let's worry about how that big sway bar is going to rip the stud off your crossmember... there's a reason why mazda reinforced the mounting points on the mazdaspeed versions and used 2 bolts for the rear sway bar instead of 1 stud/1 bolt combo.... that's also why the AWR uses a relocation bracket, in order to strengthen the mounting points and not add stress to the crossmember see this thread: http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...y-bar-on-P5-ES what he did isn't ideal, but it works reliably at least! __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

24-09-2012, 04:40 AM	#332
TheMAN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Car: . Posts: 2,623	the stock BJ1 endlinks work fine if that sway bar is an exact duplicate of the MSP sway bar.... sounds like it is __________________ Protege FAQ, the best 323/Protege/Mazda3 resource enjoyed worldwide for 10 years

18-09-2012, 10:32 PM	#322
jkdjacob Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Redcliffe QLD Car: 2002 Mazda Astina 323 sp20 Posts: 3	Looks so good! Love it! And yeah mine revs the same as that in 5th I thought it was a bit weird too.

23-09-2012, 09:24 PM	#331
Ben Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sunshine Coast Car: MPS Posts: 1,939	As kris and Phil heard today, its not crazy bad. Just over big bumps, worse with people in the back. But when its me in the car it barely makes a noise. Speed bumps upset it. It'll be fine once i get longer endlinks. Suggestions on what? Aaron got the AAC ones, but i dont always have to follow the heard

24-09-2012, 04:56 AM	#333
BG1.8sp Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sydney Car: 2009 BL MPS Posts: 2,300 View Photos By: BG1.8sp	So are the BJI endlinks longer than the bjII sp20 ones? __________________

24-09-2012, 05:53 AM	#334
JDM323 Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: North Qld Car: 2002 BJ2 protege Posts: 1,241	my links are 160mm and i have found that you can get 190mm so i'd guess that they are bj1 __________________ http://www.astinagt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18798 WORKLOG

24-09-2012, 06:58 AM	#335
familiagtx Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: sydney Car: Mazda BJ SP20 Turbocharged Posts: 629	The swaybar is bent exactly the same as a normal sp20 bar, as the original sample is a sp20 / p5 mp3 bar. I know as I designed it. The mock up was done with a lowered ride of 30mm If the swaybar is slapping in the middle of the crossmember, you need to alter the link height. I think the use of the suggested AWR bracket is an awesome idea, as it was something that I was going to have made, but due to the low volume of sales, the small quantity would work out expensive per piece. My only flaw is the different curves in the subframe between models, a lot of members that have purchased the swaybar have had fitment issues with the lateral locks rubbing against the subframe.

24-09-2012, 09:27 AM	#337
Ben Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sunshine Coast Car: MPS Posts: 1,939	No carry on. This is useful. Planning on getting the longer endlinks within the next month. But can you just upgrade the mounts and it would be fine with the stock endlinks? Dont know what would be cheaper. Maybe i'll change both also awaits Azza's question about the AWR bracket to be answered for clearer understanding

24-09-2012, 09:35 AM	#338
Ben Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sunshine Coast Car: MPS Posts: 1,939	Also, i can take a picture of where its hitting for future reference if you want familiagtx?? I've just persuaded the subframe a little with a few bashes with mr bangy.

24-09-2012, 09:41 AM	#339
BG1.8sp Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sydney Car: 2009 BL MPS Posts: 2,300 View Photos By: BG1.8sp	Well those brackets might help a little. For you on stick height might be just enough... But I was hitting hard so just the brackets wouldn't be enough. Also reguarding yor question about endlinks... Tbh you can get any you find... So long as its the same stud diameter and the correct length you need. Or AAC adjustables, pedders do adjustables. Again... Anything will do so long as the stud fits through the hole in the sway bar and the strut mount and Aslong as it has the capability of being adjusted to the length you need. If your a little handy and cbfed you can make your own too . The upgraded (thicker) endlinks definitely increased rear end feel, and made it sharper... So for the price of the AAC ones I would get those. If you are worried about that rattle lol, it was just one bearing with play... When I get back noah is happy to send me another bearing free of charge. So ya. __________________

24-09-2012, 09:46 AM	#340
Ben Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sunshine Coast Car: MPS Posts: 1,939	Remember its going down south 30mm in a few months. So i'm living with the bump and getting it all done when i'll drop it. (Since it will go crazy when i lower it, much like yours) Starting to stockpile the parts now though haha. I'll check out pedders since i've got half there stuff installed under there. (Shocks, bushes etc) I'll check out AAC ones too. still awaits answers about the AWR bracket though