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But I have ruled out Clarion, too plasticy and feels cheap. It really depends on how I like the feel of the Alpine ones I'm looking at today. I definatly want an equaliser, but as for the filters - didn't even think about them, but now that you've explained it - makes sense, so thanks for that. Kenwood maybe . . . . maybe not Quote:
- 6" splits (Focals) in the front, which I plan to run of the headunit - 6x9's rear shelf (Undecided) which will run off an amp. - x1 Subwoofer 10-12" - amped Basically just thought that I would take advantage to use the headunit to amp the fronts, however - this may change at a later date. I currently have pioneer 5" in the front running off the tape deck (25x4) So I thought that I might put these in the rear 6" hole as fillers - don't know if they would drag down the overall quality or improve it. So it is subjext to changes . . .But you get the idea Heb |
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run the front speakers off of the amp...the splits always go better off of an amp...just run the rears off of the head unit...yes i know that means more cable but its the better way to do it at the start...you want better quality sound at the front and thats what the amp does...the rear is just to fill in space ...
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mind if i ask why you have both a sub and 6X9"? Quote:
my head deck has 0-62 volume i would generally listen to it at around 40-50 but as i am running all my speakers of an amp so the volume number isnt relitive as it is to do with the settings on my amp... if i wanted i could make it so that it was over kill loud at 20 or i could make it soft at 62. but i would stat that going by therory etc 50 is around 100-108db at the current settings (but thats just going by the thereory) Quote:
I know this from experience as i have been through 2 sets of splits in the past from cliping them.... so even the 22 will not be enough to fully protect him but it is way more than 16wrms there for alowing him to play them louder with less worry...(if he was still useing the stock speaker then it wouldnt mater at all the only diff would be that the speakers would play louder and harder off the 22wrms but with the risk of over powering them and having them blow at loud volumes with heaps of bass as they would be getting double there recomended power) Still as bourban has sujested get an amp for the splits :P and run the 6X9" of the HU and the sub off your other amp the HU in my previous post will be more than adiquate for your needs i would say so its all again about the $$ you have. if you havent bought the amp you were planing on running the 6X9" off look into buying a 4channel amp... and buy a HU like the one in that above mention post and use the money you save on it to put towards the 4 channel amp. wow we have kinda move off topic to the original asked question in the first post cheers kyle Last edited by skitz; 22-05-2007 at 04:05 PM. |
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not really...we are just making sure we can help him pick the right unit...
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23-05-2007, 12:38 AM | #25 |
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Well I wnet today and had a talk to the alpine dealer - very helpful and all that.
But bottom line is now I am confused I am about 50/50 on alpine and pioneer. The units that I am looking at are: ALPINE ------- CDA-9883E http://search.ebay.com.au/search/sea...trypage=search The problem here is that I can't find a discount on it on eBay When shipping is added - It comes to the $399.00 I was quoted for it at the Alpine dealer . . . . PIONEER -------- DEH-P7950UB I actually put a bid on this one But I will prolly get outbid - I bid $220.00 Wish there was one that you could change the backing colour - I'd be there fo' sho! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well I am in one of those mindstates where I can't think so definate. I need to go away for a day and have a good long think about it. The Alpine dealer said that the main thing was to make sure that the unit has 3 preouts - that way I can control everything from the HU, and then went on to say about if i didn't have this then I would need to do something with my amp channels. He said that High and Low Pass filters are useless unless i am building a ystem worth bout 5-6 grand and that wouldn't really matter - although he said all decent units have that anyway. Pioneer has more functions - looks slighty nicer sort of, but Alpine is Unique, solid. Both come with Warrenty. The only reason I like the DEH-P7950UB over the DEH-P5950IB is that it has a full equaliser that I can change manully to suit the music i will be listening to. Also the screen looks beastier - and all over it isn't that much more. Dunno - confused. Screw it - appreatiate all the work and info you guys have given me - I'll think it over my 15 hours at work tomorrow. Keep the opinions coming. . . I am narrowing it down Cheers guys Im out Heb |
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in reading your above post it looks to me like you have already made your choice man and your just thinking about it.....
at the end of the day who cares if it is Unique woopti doo dar you said it your self you like the features and functions of the pioneer and the look. dont settle for the lesser. pick the one that first court your eye after you looked at the specs. pioneer VS Alpine fetures... pioneer----------------------------------------alpine 50/63/80/100/125Hz high and low---------------50/120/160Hz high and low 50wX4 22WRMS X4-----------------------------50W X4 18WRMS X4 USB Port and Ipod functioality-------------------ipod compadable the CDA-9883R has USB as well! 4-volt preamp outputs--------------------------2-volt preamp outputs bluethooth compadable through add on----------bluetooth ready SLA (Source Level Adjuster) 5 Preset + 2 Custom EQ Mode EEQ(Easy Equalizer)----------------------------Bass Engine (bass center frequency, width, Bass, Mid & Treble Tone Controls---------------and level, plus treble center frequency and Bass Booster : 0 ~12dB in 2dB steps------------level adjustments) hmm even though i personally prefer the HPF and LPF on the apline i would never buy a new HU with only 2volt rca's .... as i run amps and that for me would be enough to through this model of my list ... is there another alpine you would rather compare...? as the pioneer unit is way better personally just in that area and in adjustments.... cheers kyle Last edited by skitz; 23-05-2007 at 12:21 PM. |
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dont ever buy the first one that catchs your eye...thats normally just looks...did you listen to each ones? if so what one gave you better sound???
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Haha - you two are exactly what my mind is saying to me.
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- The problem is simply this. Its the FEEL of the units. The Pioneer CP (the detachable part) feels cheap and plasticy - the volume knob isnt smooth and its got that feel to it. . . Whereas the Alpine one feels smooth and well put together. The volume know is smooth and the feel of the CP is heavy and feels like its made from a metal compared with plastic. It makes it feel more solid. . . How can I put this. . . Its like comparing a Kia with a real car. Kias are cheap and when you jump inside it feels cheap and nasty. Whereas real cars like mazda are impressive and have a nice feel. Kias come with more features at the same price. . but are still crap. Although this is only a HU not a car - and its not as bad as a Kia. . . The Pioneer looks nicer. . . Bah Heb |
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rofl 9883r is sum thing i found on a pomy site :P hahahahaha it had some more features wheather it actually exists i dunno :P hahahaha rofl
but going back to what i said if ur planing to run amps seriously consider a diff alpine unit as sum units have 7volt rca's now ... so 2volt is letting the team down a lil good luck though with ur choice:P |
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skitz he isnt doin competition work and not goin to be using the subs all the time...no need to get the top of the range...ive had a pioneer for ages now, havnt had money to upgrade it and the volume knob has and always will feel ****ty changing volume...from the alpines ive seen they have basically the same navigation as the pioneers...if your saying the PIONEERS are the same as a KIA and the ALPINE is the same as a MAZDA youve already made your desicion in ALPINE/MAZDA hahhahaah
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But other than the pre-amp outputs. . . there isn't much difference between the 9885 and the 9883E. Btw - Wtf is pre-amp outputs and their voltage difference? Quote:
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The get the same product from both companies - Alpine would be a couple of hundred more. Still even the most expensive Alpiine unit only has 18RMS, not that I have any idea what this means EXACTLY (I've got a decent idea) might just keep looking on eBay for a day or 2. Heb |
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Heb, if you are willing to part with $900 i'm willing to part with my clarion DVD head unit. Hardly used, cost $2700 new. It's top of the line, touch screen multi zone, also has 200 watts built in as well as 3 amp outs and also has in for accesories (ie PS 2 etc...)
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I highly recommend going 4 volts! You will get better dynamics, headroom and much less hiss from the signal. This means you can turn it up as loud as a 2 volt HU, but with cleaner and better sound quality that you can easily notice.
but i like this guys deff of it as i was at a loss for the right way to frase it and he got it spot on... "Your amplifier is receives a low voltage from the head unit and increases it to a higher voltage (and current). This voltage is music. The problem is, electrical noise may be present and that too will be amplified resulting in alternator whine, ignition noise, etc. If you turn the amplifier gains down, the electrical noise is amplified less, but so is the music. The higher voltage head units put out more so you can still get satisfactory volume with the power amp gains reduced thus the system sound to noise ratio is improved!" hope this helps man |
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also, if he isnt goin to be using this unit as a major sort of comp he wont have to go 4volts pre out...my pioneer headunit is only a 2.2V pre out and it sounds blooody good...but i think that might be because of the $1000 worth of amps
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**** i understand it in my head but am bad with words hahaha maybe i will give you ur own advise to join car audio masters ... as they will easyly say it in an easy way to understand
soz man ow and the pioneer unit just has more room for upgrading later down the track... etc and if there the same price then.... get the one with the better features etc |
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Well guys,
After having a good long think about all of it, I finally decided that I would go with the Alpine H/U. However, I decided that I would go one step up and get a CDA-9885. Anyway, my plan was to go and buy it last friday. But that thursday night at work was insanly busy and I didn't end up leaving until 3am got home - ate, shower and all that - bed by about 4ish. Was sooo f***** tired that I slept until like 2-3 ish. I decided that the unit could wait another week as I cbf driving to the Alpine dealer before it closed at 5. That night I had a day off, so I went out - met up with this guy who works at an Eclipse dealer. . . started talking about speakers and shiz, really good bloke, told me that he would hook me up with a system and give me a free custom install Went to see him while he was working the next day and he gave me a quote on a system for a great price (in the other thread ) But this is the headunit he recommended for me. KD-AVX11 RRP $769.00 The unit offers all-round A/V entertainment with a widescreen color TFT monitor neatly packed into a 1-DIN size unit. With GIGA MP3 MULTI, you can play thousands of songs burned on a DVD disc. The unit is compatible with MP3/WMA/WAV audio and DivX® and other video formats. Highlights • Power Output: 50W x 4 Max. • MOS-FET Power Amp • Built-in Widescreen Monitor • Ready for Bluetooth Adapter* • GIGA MP3 MULTI • WAV/MP3/WMA Compatible (DVD/CD) • DivX®/JPEG/MPEG1,2 Compatible (DVD/CD) • Ready for iPod** • 108MHz/12-bit Video DAC • 192kHz/24-bit Audio DAC • DTS Digital Out/Dolby Digital/ MPEG Audio • 7-Band iEQ • J-BUS Terminal • AV Output Terminals (Front/Rear/Subwoofer/Video) • AV Input Terminals • Motorized Slide-Out Face • Shock Proof Memory • Wall Paper Setting • Amp Defeat Switch • Tel. Muting • Rear-View Camera Ready * KS-BTA200 required, not available in some countries ** KS-PD100 required DVD/VCD Section • DVD-R/-RW, +R/+RW, VCD Compatible • Multi-Border DVD Compatible • Video Format: NTSC/PAL • Zoom (for DVD)* • Direct Chapter/Track Access* • Pause/Step/Slow* • VCD Playback Control * Remote control only Monitor Section • 2.7-inch Wide Color TFT Monitor • 16:9 Aspect Ratio (Selectable 4:3) • Selectable Angle • Aspect Select J-BUS Section • Bluetooth Adapter (KS-BTA200, not available in some countries) • Interface Adapter for iPod (KS-PD100) • Digital Player Interface Adapter (KS-PD500) • CD Changer • Line-In Adapter (KS-U57) • AUX-In Adapter (KS-U58) Bluetooth Wireless Technology Section* • Hands-free Call • Voice Recognition Dialing** • Audio Streaming and Control • SMS (Short Message Service) Display • Phonebook Transfer • Call Record List (Dialled/Received/Missed) • Auto Answer (On/Off/Reject) • Mic Gain Control (with Automatic Echo-canceller and Noise Reduction) * KS-BTA200 required, not available in some countries ** In conjunction with voice recognition compatible mobile phone iPod Control Section* • Play/Pause • Skip/Search • Random/Repeat • Text Display * KS-PD100 required CD Section • CD/CD-R/CD-RW Compatible • CD Text • Direct Track Access* • Random/Repeat Play • Intro Scan * Remote control only Tuner Section • HS-IV Tuner • IF Filter • 18 FM and 6 AM Presets • Station Name Registration • SSM (for FM) • Seek (Up/Down) • AFNS/PNC • Stereo/Mono Switch (for FM) • Auto Antenna Amplifier Section • High-Pass Filter ON/OFF • Source-Specific Volume Control • Balance/Fader Control • Volume Attenuator • Max. Amp Gain Switcher General Section • Detachable Control Panel with Carrying Case • Beep Tone Support • COMPU PLAY • Power-Off Mode Eject • Multi-Function Wireless Remote Control • Power Switch Standby Illumination Anyway since I would be getting this with the whole package it is not at the RRP so that isn't so much my concern. Just interested to know what everyone thinks - JVC is a step in a different direction from Alpine and Pioneer, and I know that Eclipse have some incredible Headunits and I would go them over Alpine now. But with this unit I can play DVD's so less disc changing, also have music videos playing with the music to make all the people who ride in the car think I am cool and later down the track I can purchase some Headrest moniters to enhance the whole experience. Personally, at first I didn't really like tha whole look of this unit and I thought I won't be watching DVD's sooo. . . . just get an Eclipse CD7100. But It is the same price (For me) and it plays DVD's, it has kinda grown on me. Not too sure about its SQ, but I listened to the advice that Skitz gave me that Bourban gave him and joined that caraudioaustralia-mobileelectronicsaustralia, so I hope to get some good info from there. Let me know what you think guys - both positive and negative critisism welcome Heb Last edited by Hebz; 05-06-2007 at 01:31 AM. Reason: Adding Pics |
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just an idea..iirc there are amps from the new jvc exad series and alpine which DO have an integrated "digital" amp,delivering 50-70rms per channel.
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hahaha thats really funny thats the same unit that dan was looking at of ebay... hahahahaha kool nice work man yeah its not a bad lil unit and jvc is still a good brand they are just being over run by brands like pioneer and alpine etc but they still are good .... i personally if u want the hole dvd thingy would get a dvd unit the 7" ones as how the hell do u watch a movie on a 2.7" screen hahahaha rofl
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Nah, i was looking at the AVX2. I've already got an AVX1 in the Beetle.
Very user friendly interfaces, and good control. I'd certainly recommend a JVC.
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