Whose running 17's and above? - Whats the ride like?

Provo · 02-09-2002, 02:07 AM

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ost_uid0]Hey guys...i'm hoping to go up to 17"s, but my father thinks otherwise... Just asking who is running 17"'s and above, and what the ride is like? Harder then stock...softer then stock? Better? Worse?
Thanks guys...
(btw...only really applies to 95 type astina's...so I can get a direct comparison, but other thoughts would be nice)
Thanks guys

(also what rim width fits onto Astina's...guy at Bob Jane said only 6.5!!! What?)[/color

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sik astina · 02-09-2002, 06:44 AM

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ost_uid7]Hey Provo,

I got a 95 model and im on 215/45/R17 and 7 inch wide (dont know whats the go with Bob Jane only telling you 6.5 ??? ), before i lowered my car the ride was pretty good and I didnt notice that much of a difference from my old 14's. If you go to the 40 series tyres you will feel a lot more of the bumps on the road.

It's only after you lower the car that it makes a noticable difference, makes the ride firmer. Personally, I think if you're gonna get 17's you might as well lower the car too. I got my mags and didnt lower the car for a while....looked sooooo high compared to what it is now.

Hope this helps,

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sik astina · 02-09-2002, 06:48 AM

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ost_uid4]BTW, is yours the pop up lights? Those models were made from 89-96. ???[/color

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Provo · 02-09-2002, 07:14 AM

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ost_uid0]Nope...the one after that...like yours.
What do you mean the 40 series?
By firmer...do you mean better firmer or worse firmer?[/color

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sik astina · 02-09-2002, 07:56 AM

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ost_uid5]hey, with the 40 series tyre there is less rubber. the higher the number the thicker the tyre is. with the firmness the ride is harder, but its not that noticable. It will be a little bumpier, but thats to be expected. :

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are you going to lower your car? ???

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Provo · 02-09-2002, 09:31 AM

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ost_uid0]Yeah, but not right away.
I was thinking maybe about 2 - 2 1/2 inches...?

Any other opinions...I need some force to convince my father...[/color

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Rupewrecht · 02-09-2002, 09:05 PM

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ost_uid0]i've got 17's on my 96 hardtop (identical suspension to he hatch).

i had those on my car without it being lowered for a few months, and honestly, the ride wasnt that much different. you felt the initial impact of bumps a little more, but the increase in handling was worth it.

As Sik said, you really only notice the 17's when the car has been lowered, when it becomes firmer and a little harsher, just because your suspension has a lot less travel with 2" lower springs in it. :

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you've got the right idea with height - 2.5 inches is perfect for everyday driving.

cheers
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Dogo · 02-09-2002, 09:46 PM

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ost_uid0]I went from stock 16.5" to 18s ( v6 astina ) and like rupewrecht, I noticed the difference mainly on initial impact with a bump. Not uncomfortable, but still noticeable

Then with it lowered, The ride is firmer, and the bumps feel harder, but still not too uncomfortable. My lowering springs are progressive, and for the moment the shocks are still stock. So its not too bad, but with the new shocks, It'll be harder still.

And with the v6, the stock width was 6.5". My new wheels are 7.5. So I dont think the Bob Jane guy knows what he's talking abt !!

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Critter · 04-09-2002, 10:32 PM

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ost_uid0]I'm "biting the bullet' on 17s next week....the car is already lowered and is a bit firmer than stock (1.5" lower on Kings), no biggie tho' IMO.

The "cushion effect" is less with the lower profile tyre but the trade-off is there: less sidewall, less flex, firmer ride, points better and squirms less.

As for wheel width, how much you can have is going to be determined by the offset of the wheels you use, so saying 6.5" is meaningless without that.
More offset allows wider wheel/tyre so long as it doesn't push the whole thing in so far that it interferes with suspension etc.[/color

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BigBoyLemonade · 04-09-2002, 11:12 PM

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ost_uid0]Im running 18's and lowered 4" and its a very bouncy ride! so 17's with a 2" - 2.5" drop is perfect... nice and firm but not uncomfortable and is very safe.. PPL for get the real reason you lower the car and put lower profule tyres on.. for handling so in theory the car is safer with wider tyres and slightly lowered[/color

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Critter · 17-09-2002, 10:34 PM

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ost_uid0]Now the 17s are on with 205/40 17s, the ride is a bit choppier but it's fine. Go for it!![/color

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EZZY · 18-09-2002, 02:09 AM

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ost_uid0]wanna try the 19s? with 215/35 series tyres[/color

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Rupewrecht · 18-09-2002, 02:12 AM

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ost_uid0]i would, if they fitted...[/color

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IZG-00D · 18-09-2002, 02:17 AM

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ost_uid0]is that like driving with just the rims no tyres type feeling eric?[/color

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EZZY · 18-09-2002, 09:23 PM

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ost_uid0]dont know,
they are still brand new.
still got the tyre stickers on a couple of tyres.
i may try to re-drill the alloys and change to wider tyres for the TT[/color

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Provo · 19-09-2002, 06:51 AM

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ost_uid0]Hey guys in regards to 17x7's do they scrap the suspensions or bodywork at all when turning? Any probs with them on 95 Astina Hatchs? Ezzy...in particular the size you gave me? Thanks[/color

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EZZY · 19-09-2002, 08:30 AM

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ost_uid0]i have had no problems with my 18" x 7.5" momo sports with 215/35 series tyres. no rubbing front and back and thats with 4.5inch lowered.[/color

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pr1mo · 19-09-2002, 09:37 AM

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ost_uid0]whos wheels were they again eric? :

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EZZY · 19-09-2002, 10:39 AM

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ost_uid0]huh?
which what?[/color

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MMM323 · 21-09-2002, 04:05 AM

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ost_uid0]i just put 17s on my 2002 323 a week ago. i also got it lowered the same day 1.5 inches. i must not lie and say it doesnt ride worse. but i am looking forward 2 getting new shocks.[/color

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02-09-2002, 02:07 AM	#1
Provo Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 58	[color=#000000ost_uid0]Hey guys...i'm hoping to go up to 17"s, but my father thinks otherwise... Just asking who is running 17"'s and above, and what the ride is like? Harder then stock...softer then stock? Better? Worse? Thanks guys... (btw...only really applies to 95 type astina's...so I can get a direct comparison, but other thoughts would be nice) Thanks guys (also what rim width fits onto Astina's...guy at Bob Jane said only 6.5!!! What?)[/colorost_uid0]

02-09-2002, 06:44 AM	#2
sik astina Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Wollongong , N.S.W , Australia Car: Ba 1.8L Turbo astina Posts: 1,739 View Photos By: sik astina	[color=#0000FFost_uid7]Hey Provo, I got a 95 model and im on 215/45/R17 and 7 inch wide (dont know whats the go with Bob Jane only telling you 6.5 ??? ), before i lowered my car the ride was pretty good and I didnt notice that much of a difference from my old 14's. If you go to the 40 series tyres you will feel a lot more of the bumps on the road. It's only after you lower the car that it makes a noticable difference, makes the ride firmer. Personally, I think if you're gonna get 17's you might as well lower the car too. I got my mags and didnt lower the car for a while....looked sooooo high compared to what it is now. Hope this helps, -Mick[/colorost_uid7] __________________ [UNL35H] CANDY BA 1.8L Turbo - with the Twotone spread with the loco paint 2sus custom resprays

02-09-2002, 06:48 AM	#3
sik astina Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Wollongong , N.S.W , Australia Car: Ba 1.8L Turbo astina Posts: 1,739 View Photos By: sik astina	[color=#0000FFost_uid4]BTW, is yours the pop up lights? Those models were made from 89-96. ???[/colorost_uid4] __________________ [UNL35H] CANDY BA 1.8L Turbo - with the Twotone spread with the loco paint 2sus custom resprays

02-09-2002, 07:14 AM	#4
Provo Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 58	[color=#000000ost_uid0]Nope...the one after that...like yours. What do you mean the 40 series? By firmer...do you mean better firmer or worse firmer?[/colorost_uid0]

02-09-2002, 07:56 AM	#5
sik astina Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Wollongong , N.S.W , Australia Car: Ba 1.8L Turbo astina Posts: 1,739 View Photos By: sik astina	[color=#0000FFost_uid5]hey, with the 40 series tyre there is less rubber. the higher the number the thicker the tyre is. with the firmness the ride is harder, but its not that noticable. It will be a little bumpier, but thats to be expected. :: are you going to lower your car? ??? -Mick[/colorost_uid5] __________________ [UNL35H] CANDY BA 1.8L Turbo - with the Twotone spread with the loco paint 2sus custom resprays

02-09-2002, 09:31 AM	#6
Provo Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 58	[color=#000000ost_uid0]Yeah, but not right away. I was thinking maybe about 2 - 2 1/2 inches...? Any other opinions...I need some force to convince my father...[/colorost_uid0]

02-09-2002, 09:05 PM	#7
Rupewrecht Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: melb.vic.au Car: AZ-1, Astina Hardtop Turbo, BJ Protege, Beetle Posts: 16,525 View Photos By: Rupewrecht	[color=#000000ost_uid0]i've got 17's on my 96 hardtop (identical suspension to he hatch). i had those on my car without it being lowered for a few months, and honestly, the ride wasnt that much different. you felt the initial impact of bumps a little more, but the increase in handling was worth it. As Sik said, you really only notice the 17's when the car has been lowered, when it becomes firmer and a little harsher, just because your suspension has a lot less travel with 2" lower springs in it. :: you've got the right idea with height - 2.5 inches is perfect for everyday driving. cheers Daniel[/colorost_uid0] __________________ jdmparts.rupewrecht.com Sourcing your not-quite-overnight parts from Japan WRECHT--\|--SLOWTEGE--\|--BEETLE--\|--SUBSTITUTE--\|--AZ-1

02-09-2002, 09:46 PM	#8
Dogo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Melb, Aus Car: Mazda 323 BA BPT transplant Posts: 3,459 View Photos By: Dogo	[color=#000000ost_uid0]I went from stock 16.5" to 18s ( v6 astina ) and like rupewrecht, I noticed the difference mainly on initial impact with a bump. Not uncomfortable, but still noticeable Then with it lowered, The ride is firmer, and the bumps feel harder, but still not too uncomfortable. My lowering springs are progressive, and for the moment the shocks are still stock. So its not too bad, but with the new shocks, It'll be harder still. And with the v6, the stock width was 6.5". My new wheels are 7.5. So I dont think the Bob Jane guy knows what he's talking abt !! Dave[/colorost_uid0] __________________ [ Turbo BA ] see my readers ride

04-09-2002, 10:32 PM	#9
Critter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Winmalee NSW Car: SP20 Posts: 690 View Photos By: Critter	[color=#000000ost_uid0]I'm "biting the bullet' on 17s next week....the car is already lowered and is a bit firmer than stock (1.5" lower on Kings), no biggie tho' IMO. The "cushion effect" is less with the lower profile tyre but the trade-off is there: less sidewall, less flex, firmer ride, points better and squirms less. As for wheel width, how much you can have is going to be determined by the offset of the wheels you use, so saying 6.5" is meaningless without that. More offset allows wider wheel/tyre so long as it doesn't push the whole thing in so far that it interferes with suspension etc.[/colorost_uid0] __________________ 2001 Astina SP20 Precision Power / Pioneer P9 sound system with Directed widescreen video Custom graphics and leather interior Adjustable lowered suspension with monster brakes

04-09-2002, 11:12 PM	#10
BigBoyLemonade The Architect Join Date: Jul 1998 Location: Canberra, ACT Car: AUSDM S6 RX7 Posts: 1,600 View Photos By: BigBoyLemonade	[color=#000000ost_uid0]Im running 18's and lowered 4" and its a very bouncy ride! so 17's with a 2" - 2.5" drop is perfect... nice and firm but not uncomfortable and is very safe.. PPL for get the real reason you lower the car and put lower profule tyres on.. for handling so in theory the car is safer with wider tyres and slightly lowered[/colorost_uid0] __________________ Tony Formally known as Lantis and Xedos Infinite Networks- Creative Web design and powerful online application solutions

17-09-2002, 10:34 PM	#11
Critter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Winmalee NSW Car: SP20 Posts: 690 View Photos By: Critter	[color=#000000ost_uid0]Now the 17s are on with 205/40 17s, the ride is a bit choppier but it's fine. Go for it!![/colorost_uid0] __________________ 2001 Astina SP20 Precision Power / Pioneer P9 sound system with Directed widescreen video Custom graphics and leather interior Adjustable lowered suspension with monster brakes

18-09-2002, 02:09 AM	#12
EZZY AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 307	[color=#FF7F00ost_uid0]wanna try the 19s? with 215/35 series tyres[/colorost_uid0] __________________ [url=www.ezzy-style.com.au]EZZY-Style Motorsportsurl]

18-09-2002, 02:12 AM	#13
Rupewrecht Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: melb.vic.au Car: AZ-1, Astina Hardtop Turbo, BJ Protege, Beetle Posts: 16,525 View Photos By: Rupewrecht	[color=#000000ost_uid0]i would, if they fitted...[/colorost_uid0] __________________ jdmparts.rupewrecht.com Sourcing your not-quite-overnight parts from Japan WRECHT--\|--SLOWTEGE--\|--BEETLE--\|--SUBSTITUTE--\|--AZ-1

18-09-2002, 02:17 AM	#14
IZG-00D Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney Car: Evo Posts: 224	[color=#000000ost_uid0]is that like driving with just the rims no tyres type feeling eric?[/colorost_uid0] __________________ sik_astina@yahoo.com picture me rollin'

18-09-2002, 09:23 PM	#15
EZZY AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 307	[color=#FF7F00ost_uid0]dont know, they are still brand new. still got the tyre stickers on a couple of tyres. i may try to re-drill the alloys and change to wider tyres for the TT[/colorost_uid0] __________________ [url=www.ezzy-style.com.au]EZZY-Style Motorsportsurl]

19-09-2002, 06:51 AM	#16
Provo Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 58	[color=#000000ost_uid0]Hey guys in regards to 17x7's do they scrap the suspensions or bodywork at all when turning? Any probs with them on 95 Astina Hatchs? Ezzy...in particular the size you gave me? Thanks[/colorost_uid0]

19-09-2002, 08:30 AM	#17
EZZY AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 307	[color=#FF7F00ost_uid0]i have had no problems with my 18" x 7.5" momo sports with 215/35 series tyres. no rubbing front and back and thats with 4.5inch lowered.[/colorost_uid0] __________________ [url=www.ezzy-style.com.au]EZZY-Style Motorsportsurl]

19-09-2002, 09:37 AM	#18
pr1mo I MUST STOP MAKING STUPID POSTS! Yet I keep on making them. And I wonder why I get banned? Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: DansVille Car: auto Posts: 4,326	[color=#000000ost_uid0]whos wheels were they again eric? ::[/colorost_uid0]

19-09-2002, 10:39 AM	#19
EZZY AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 307	[color=#FF7F00ost_uid0]huh? which what?[/colorost_uid0] __________________ [url=www.ezzy-style.com.au]EZZY-Style Motorsportsurl]

21-09-2002, 04:05 AM	#20
MMM323 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 40	[color=#000000ost_uid0]i just put 17s on my 2002 323 a week ago. i also got it lowered the same day 1.5 inches. i must not lie and say it doesnt ride worse. but i am looking forward 2 getting new shocks.[/colorost_uid0] __________________ Black 02 Sp20.17inch rims.Kings Super Lows 5%tint.Shaved side mouldings Completely Debadged and all stickers removed Hollandia 700 Sunroof.Kenwood MP3 Player Kenwood 7inch monitor.Stubby Antenna Upgraded Tail lights.Phillips Crystal Vision Bulbs to Parkers,Low Beam & High Beam.Clear indicators Slimline PS2 custom installed in glovebox B1 blue interior light B1 VIP Moody Interior light(purple) Brake Calipers painted silver Ferodo Excel Rear pads EBC Greenstuff Front Pads