Turbo Conversion for 89 323 BG10P1 Astina SP

chonga · 27-05-2007, 09:17 PM

Hay guys,

Im new here but this seems like the place to get the best advice for my 323. I just bought the 323 and am looking for the best avenue to get power out of it keeping in mind I am already in the stages of planning a Rear-Wheel-Drive conversion as well. Turbo power seems the way to go but what engine should I use 4 cylinder or V6? What Turbo? ECU? ect... Im looking for something around the 250rwKW mark. Which company would be best to use for the engine and tuning work? Any and all help appreciated. Thanks in advance. Matt

ROB-80E · 28-05-2007, 09:53 AM

All I can say is, with the RWD conversion, you have more money and time to spend than anyone else on this forum.

In all honesty (not meaning to be rude) but if you think a RWD conversion is possible, the choice of turbo should be an easy one for you to figure out yourself?

Best advice i can give for your 323 is, if you want RWD, sell it and buy a RWD turbo car. If you want to make your 323 have power and be able to drive it sometime in the next decade, stick a BPT motor in it and mod the setup that you've got to make it reliable and most important....LEGAL.

chonga · 28-05-2007, 10:20 AM

The RWD conversion isn't as complicated as it sounds and yeah sure i could go buy another RWD Turbo car but I like the styling of the 323 i'v got. I'v had more powerful cars for example i'v had WRX's, XR8 falcons including an XR8 Turbo, R32 and R33 Skylines and a 427 powered HSV Maloo but the bottom line is i want my 323 to be a RWD Turbo. Any other suggestions?

Rupewrecht · 28-05-2007, 10:24 AM

Well if you've got money to burn, try putting the TX3 4WD floorpan in, as that'll give you a RWD setup, and room in the tunnel for the tailshaft and the exhaust. Then maybe a BPT with an MX5 gearbox behind it.

bourbon · 28-05-2007, 12:06 PM

youll lose the styling if you make the FWD a RWD...

newman · 28-05-2007, 12:52 PM

put the money towards a ferrari

jordy · 28-05-2007, 07:36 PM

This guy is talking about a 323, never once mentional 'Astina', so I'm picking he has a 4WD Familia. A much less daunting task to convert one of them to RWD.

Rupewrecht · 28-05-2007, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jordy

This guy is talking about a 323, never once mentional 'Astina', so I'm picking he has a 4WD Familia. A much less daunting task to convert one of them to RWD.

or you could look at the thread title...

bourbon · 28-05-2007, 08:21 PM

hahaha hahahaha hahahaha

Bear · 28-05-2007, 09:14 PM

ah crap ... where do I start? oh yeah ... with a belt of whiskey ...

on a more serious note ... how much experience do you have with metal fabrication and suspension construction? (to start with) this is a far from trivial build and you will be staring down the barrel of a monstrous engineer's bill if you are thinking of getting registered...

seriously, if you're going RWD get that part of the build done before you even bother with the engine ... it's what's going to decide whether you go on with it or not

if you decide to not bother with the RWD, you should just look in the forums for forced induction and look up BPT conversions

MAztinA 323 · 29-05-2007, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupewrecht

or you could look at the thread title...

chonga · 30-05-2007, 12:14 AM

Quote:

ah crap ... where do I start? oh yeah ... with a belt of whiskey ...

on a more serious note ... how much experience do you have with metal fabrication and suspension construction? (to start with) this is a far from trivial build and you will be staring down the barrel of a monstrous engineer's bill if you are thinking of getting registered...

seriously, if you're going RWD get that part of the build done before you even bother with the engine ... it's what's going to decide whether you go on with it or not

if you decide to not bother with the RWD, you should just look in the forums for forced induction and look up BPT conversions

As you could probably imagine from my previous cars I have a lot of friends in the business when it comes to engineer's certificates and fabrications. I am able to do most of the fabrication myself with a mate from Western Tyer and Wheel in Liverpool. The RWD is a must from me i don't like the understeer in FWD cares and AWDs are not as much fun. I need to find out a few things though about bell housing adaptors and so on for the supra 6 speed im planning on using but first i wanna decide on an engine.

Cheers,

Matt

bourbon · 30-05-2007, 09:17 AM

i just wanna no if youve got an endless supply of money???

LYNX · 30-05-2007, 05:27 PM

would be something different tho hey BG RWD, but dam thats gonna cost a Sh!T load

chicaboo · 30-05-2007, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chonga

The RWD is a must from me i don't like the understeer in FWD...

Understeer in FWD cars is only a problem if you don't know how to drive them due to lack of experience.

There are 3 steering wheels in a FWD car: the one infront of you, the one by your left hip, and the one under your right foot (my favourite).

Next you'll be telling me you can't drift a FWD car either...

Buy a 4WD Turbo Laser TX3 or 323 GTX and pull the front CVs if you want RWD so much.

Gav.

skitz · 30-05-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chicaboo

Next you'll be telling me you can't drift a FWD car either...

Gav.

i hate having that argument with ppl it piss's me off damn then and there thinking they know all

if u are willing to abuse the car enough u can just about do everythink in both

reverse doughnuts LMAO far out i fell over the first time i saw this and its way more interesting because its not sumthink u see every day

Rupewrecht · 30-05-2007, 05:46 PM

Hey Chonga

Go and talk to the guys that do the Bullett conversion to the MX5.

Bear · 30-05-2007, 07:23 PM

Chonga, the experience is a good start ... and the conversion reminds me of the Dimma (ok ... admittedly this is in the UK) conversions that were done to Peugot 205 Gtis in the early 90s ... while they were putting in a Sierra Cosworth 4wd driveline into the Pugs, they were going from an east-west engine to a north-south ... but, they still managed it ...

you just won't find many places that will try that in Australia ... Rupewrecht's suggestion is a good start too as they are used to doing fairly unorthodox builds http://www.bulletcars.com/

89sp1.8 · 30-05-2007, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuicKSilveR

I've had 4WD, RWD, FWD and Nothing pulls harder than a FWD in top end
.

maybe he might have some useful knowledge..

chonga · 04-06-2007, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Understeer in FWD cars is only a problem if you don't know how to drive them due to lack of experience.

Mate if you don't understand the fact that FWDs have an inherit understeer problem due to their design then your the one without any experience. I too can pull the handbrake up and slide round a corner but there is a difference between handbrake slides and actual Power Slides. You tell me how a FWD car is going to bag up the rear tyres and push you found the corner. It won't. You will just rely on front tyres to pull you out. Good for you. Mate stop quoting your local mechanic who benn in the business for 20 years and go out the and learn a little bit. I never said that FWD cars cannot drift I said they have an understeer problem which can't be denied and I therefor favour towards RWD cars. I didn't ask you if it was a good idea of cost effective i asked for suggestions towards the best setup for my goal.

To everyone else thanks for all your help. Im still pretty keen for suggestions but one of my mates has suggested a GEN III and maybe a turbo. Still not sure. The bottom line is if you have enough money anything is possible and when I said I liked the styling I mean't the car not the drivetrain, I don't see how a RWD conversion takes away from the styling in any way.

27-05-2007, 09:17 PM	#1
chonga Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 4	Turbo Conversion for 89 323 BG10P1 Astina SP Hay guys, Im new here but this seems like the place to get the best advice for my 323. I just bought the 323 and am looking for the best avenue to get power out of it keeping in mind I am already in the stages of planning a Rear-Wheel-Drive conversion as well. Turbo power seems the way to go but what engine should I use 4 cylinder or V6? What Turbo? ECU? ect... Im looking for something around the 250rwKW mark. Which company would be best to use for the engine and tuning work? Any and all help appreciated. Thanks in advance. Matt

28-05-2007, 09:53 AM	#2
ROB-80E Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SE QLD, Australia Car: Turbo BG Astina Posts: 792 View Photos By: ROB-80E	All I can say is, with the RWD conversion, you have more money and time to spend than anyone else on this forum. In all honesty (not meaning to be rude) but if you think a RWD conversion is possible, the choice of turbo should be an easy one for you to figure out yourself? Best advice i can give for your 323 is, if you want RWD, sell it and buy a RWD turbo car. If you want to make your 323 have power and be able to drive it sometime in the next decade, stick a BPT motor in it and mod the setup that you've got to make it reliable and most important....LEGAL. __________________ BG Astina + GTR conversion + Microtech ECU + FMIC + 3" pipes and Exhaust x 21psi boost = 12.168 to the power of 326whp

28-05-2007, 10:24 AM	#4
Rupewrecht Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: melb.vic.au Car: AZ-1, Astina Hardtop Turbo, BJ Protege, Beetle Posts: 16,525 View Photos By: Rupewrecht	Well if you've got money to burn, try putting the TX3 4WD floorpan in, as that'll give you a RWD setup, and room in the tunnel for the tailshaft and the exhaust. Then maybe a BPT with an MX5 gearbox behind it. __________________ jdmparts.rupewrecht.com Sourcing your not-quite-overnight parts from Japan WRECHT--\|--SLOWTEGE--\|--BEETLE--\|--SUBSTITUTE--\|--AZ-1

28-05-2007, 12:06 PM	#5
bourbon The Hairy Mod Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: southside ya'll and North Side, Brissy Car: MINI Cooper S 2003 Posts: 8,110	youll lose the styling if you make the FWD a RWD... __________________ For All your crash repair panels & lights, clear lights contact us at PANEL HOUSE 45 RANDALL ST SLACKS CREEK QLD 4127 PHONE : 07 3808 8737 FAX : 07 3808 8735

28-05-2007, 07:36 PM	#7
jordy Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Zealand Car: '91 BG Posts: 230 View Photos By: jordy	This guy is talking about a 323, never once mentional 'Astina', so I'm picking he has a 4WD Familia. A much less daunting task to convert one of them to RWD. __________________

28-05-2007, 10:20 AM	#3
chonga Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 4	The RWD conversion isn't as complicated as it sounds and yeah sure i could go buy another RWD Turbo car but I like the styling of the 323 i'v got. I'v had more powerful cars for example i'v had WRX's, XR8 falcons including an XR8 Turbo, R32 and R33 Skylines and a 427 powered HSV Maloo but the bottom line is i want my 323 to be a RWD Turbo. Any other suggestions?

28-05-2007, 12:52 PM	#6
newman Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brisbane Car: KF Laser fwd BPT Posts: 707	put the money towards a ferrari

28-05-2007, 08:21 PM	#9
bourbon The Hairy Mod Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: southside ya'll and North Side, Brissy Car: MINI Cooper S 2003 Posts: 8,110	hahaha hahahaha hahahaha __________________ For All your crash repair panels & lights, clear lights contact us at PANEL HOUSE 45 RANDALL ST SLACKS CREEK QLD 4127 PHONE : 07 3808 8737 FAX : 07 3808 8735

28-05-2007, 09:14 PM	#10
Bear Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: not in a cave Car: 2007 True Red Mazda 3 MPS Posts: 224	ah crap ... where do I start? oh yeah ... with a belt of whiskey ... on a more serious note ... how much experience do you have with metal fabrication and suspension construction? (to start with) this is a far from trivial build and you will be staring down the barrel of a monstrous engineer's bill if you are thinking of getting registered... seriously, if you're going RWD get that part of the build done before you even bother with the engine ... it's what's going to decide whether you go on with it or not if you decide to not bother with the RWD, you should just look in the forums for forced induction and look up BPT conversions __________________ Mazda 3 MPS - True Red - 2.3L Turbo "It's a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I just beat people up" - Muhammad Ali

30-05-2007, 09:17 AM	#13
bourbon The Hairy Mod Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: southside ya'll and North Side, Brissy Car: MINI Cooper S 2003 Posts: 8,110	i just wanna no if youve got an endless supply of money??? __________________ For All your crash repair panels & lights, clear lights contact us at PANEL HOUSE 45 RANDALL ST SLACKS CREEK QLD 4127 PHONE : 07 3808 8737 FAX : 07 3808 8735

30-05-2007, 05:27 PM	#14
LYNX AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: IPSWICH Car: MAZDA 323 BG SP Posts: 269 View Photos By: LYNX	would be something different tho hey BG RWD, but dam thats gonna cost a Sh!T load __________________ JUST FEED IT DRAG IT BAG IT

30-05-2007, 05:46 PM	#17
Rupewrecht Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: melb.vic.au Car: AZ-1, Astina Hardtop Turbo, BJ Protege, Beetle Posts: 16,525 View Photos By: Rupewrecht	Hey Chonga Go and talk to the guys that do the Bullett conversion to the MX5. __________________ jdmparts.rupewrecht.com Sourcing your not-quite-overnight parts from Japan WRECHT--\|--SLOWTEGE--\|--BEETLE--\|--SUBSTITUTE--\|--AZ-1

30-05-2007, 07:23 PM	#18
Bear Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: not in a cave Car: 2007 True Red Mazda 3 MPS Posts: 224	Chonga, the experience is a good start ... and the conversion reminds me of the Dimma (ok ... admittedly this is in the UK) conversions that were done to Peugot 205 Gtis in the early 90s ... while they were putting in a Sierra Cosworth 4wd driveline into the Pugs, they were going from an east-west engine to a north-south ... but, they still managed it ... you just won't find many places that will try that in Australia ... Rupewrecht's suggestion is a good start too as they are used to doing fairly unorthodox builds http://www.bulletcars.com/ __________________ Mazda 3 MPS - True Red - 2.3L Turbo "It's a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I just beat people up" - Muhammad Ali