RTA Lowering Laws... Thoughts?

Ky_88 · 23-07-2009, 02:57 PM

Hey all,

I just wondered what your thoughts are on the new RTA lowering laws they are introducing as of 1 August 2009. Not sure if it's Australia wide but NSW will sure be hit hard.

I used to post on here frequently but stopped for quite some time and in the meantime I bought a car, (not the Astina I initially thought I would) a Honda Civic 98 Hatchback which was lowered by it's previous owner which means I'm now going to get stung by these new laws

Being on my red P's I don't want to draw attention to myself but I also don't want to raise my car back to standard... bit of a pridicament I'm in I think!

Some people in the newspaper and online yesterday made some valid points that this new law may put quite a few companies out of buisness. A petition has been started and this is where my boyfriend Paul and I were reading the viewers thoughts last night:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/94/he...ed-cars-in-nsw

Thoughts?

bourbon · 23-07-2009, 03:07 PM

thread had already been created

http://www.astinagt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14788

but i dont remember seeing a petition.

Ky_88 · 23-07-2009, 03:25 PM

Sorry I did look for it but couldn't find it. Yes the petition has been started. So far when I checked a moment ago there are 2012 signatures. I myself have signed it. There are an awful lots of good points made.

70NYD · 23-07-2009, 04:14 PM

yeah but out of those 2012 signatures 2000 (probably) are what government classifies as hoons so they wont listen to it

Ghoru · 23-07-2009, 04:44 PM

dont start this thread again...it will get closed like the last one for same reason....

govt classification of a hoon = anyone under 26 with a vehicle that has anything that isnt factory standard

mike_d87 · 23-07-2009, 05:22 PM

Their classification changes with the tide, it sucks. But there are also a lot of people who don't fit the description of a hoon that will be affected by these laws if they're brought into practise. The best way of avoiding attention is to not drive like these hoons (not saying you are one) and stay out of trouble, can't do much else.

Ky_88 · 24-07-2009, 09:38 AM

I agree Mike. Goverment and Police think "hoons" are exactly as Ghoru described it. I'm a Red P Plater who (as my friends describe it) drives like a Nanna so I won't attract attention but the low profile of my car now will, whereas before it didn't. Oh well... the Goverment always do what they want anyway, whether the public think it fit or not.

I don't want this thread closed nor do I want to become a slanging match between everyone, I was merely interested in peoples thoughts and I wasn't aware one had been started. Apologies for the duplicate thread. I also thought if some of you wanted to sign the petition that I would link it..

Thanks!

Ghoru · 24-07-2009, 04:10 PM

the only reason the last one got closed was because someone had an attitude problem that didnt sit right with the rest of us

as far as i know it only applies to NSW for now...and even if it does happen in QLD it dont relly worry me simply because i wont have a need to lower my car 15 cm anyway

70NYD · 24-07-2009, 04:18 PM

it didnt sit right with certain individuals, not with everyone

spenaroo · 24-07-2009, 04:20 PM

mate i wouldnt worry,
one of my church leaders is a cop and according to him most of the time a p-plater is ignored, they figure if their displaying plates there not gonna be braking the law or be in a stolen car. however this doesn't work if your car is loud or has ridiculously big rims while being lowered (eg 18"s on it) or if its scraping

just dont argue with the cops or they will sting u hard,

Ky_88 · 24-07-2009, 04:44 PM

I'd be too scared to argue with the cops lol. I'd be more inclined to cry as I'd be **** scared because I've never been pulled over before except for an RBT. Yeah my car has legal rims on it and isn't as low as some cars around.. so I'm not too worried I just don't want the show cars to suffer due to the new laws. It would be such a shame to see business potentially go out of business and old car ethusiasts be penalised for the small percentage of idiots out there.

70NYD · 24-07-2009, 05:23 PM

businesses wont loose customers, if anything they will get more.. problem is that ppl do it themselfs, and they can go around things. u take ur car to a garage to get it lowered or whatever they will do it and give u a plate, make it all nice and legal

project.r.racing · 29-07-2009, 07:55 PM

Quote:

So there has been a lot of chatter over these last few weeks regarding the new law that is to be passed as at August 1 2009 regarding the modification to suspension on street cars.

Happy to report that as of this afternoon, (meeting with RTA, AAAA, Pedders Suspension, Fulcrum Suspension, King Spring Works and a few others including the NSW Roads Minister him self.

The RTA have decided for now that they will be deferring the law until further notice on advice of industry heads.
The RTA have also said that they jumped on board with out the proper advice of experts and the like from inside the trade.
It is possible that when a new law does come through (12 months or so I think) that it will require all lowered cars to have a self certified certificate thats has been given to them by the seller or installer and that will have to lodged with the RTA in NSW.

This is only up to and including drop or lift of 50mm (2")
I think the guys with Air Bagged utes and the like will still be stuffed.
But we will all be fine.

There should be a press release tomorrow and just thought you all might like a heads up.

happy times for nsw modifiers.

Rupewrecht · 29-07-2009, 09:06 PM

Link, Ryan?

Ky_88 · 30-07-2009, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupewrecht

Link, Ryan?

Ditto... you got the link? I'd love to read about it. Cheers.

Rupewrecht · 30-07-2009, 09:46 AM

http://mx5cartalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=37818

Ky_88 · 30-07-2009, 09:58 AM

Thank Rupe.. I will wait for the press release before I got too excited I think. However, I hope this is the case because NSW deserves further notice before such laws are implemented!

project.r.racing · 30-07-2009, 06:03 PM

yup thats the link.

project.r.racing · 30-07-2009, 06:22 PM

NSW MINISTER FOR ROADS
MICHAEL DALEY MP
NEWS RELEASE
MINISTER AGREES TO FURTHER CONSULTATION ON
CAR MODIFICATION LAWS
Wednesday 29 July 2009
Minister for Roads Michael Daley today met with representatives from the 4WD community and car industry who asked for the introduction of proposed vehicle modification rules to be delayed and for more time to consult.
Mr Daley said he agreed to put the rule changes on hold and that more consultation was needed following the meeting.
“I’ve listened to feedback from the industry and the community, and have agreed to set up a working party to look more closely at how we are going to address this road safety issue,” he said.
“All of those who attended today’s meeting agreed that safety is paramount and that unsafe modifications of vehicles do need be stamped out.
“The working group will include representatives from the NSW Centre for Road Safety, Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT, Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association, the Australian 4WD Industry Council as well as other agencies and experts,” Mr Daley said.
Executive Director of Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association Stuart Charity said this was a terrific outcome.
“We’re passionate about road safety and we understand the intent of the regulation is to make the roads safer,” he said.
We’re looking forward to working towards a practical solution that meets road safety objectives while also taking industry views into account,” Mr Charity said.
Greg Redfern from Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT also welcomed the outcome and said the working group would have their full support.
“We want to eliminate unsafe practices in the driving community and we’ll work with the government to make sure these new regulations meet those objectives without any adverse consequences for the motoring community at large,” he said.
“We all agree that there is no place for extreme and illegal modifications, but the clubs in our association follow a strict code of conduct and ethics, and we want to make sure they’re not punished,” Mr Redfern said.
Contact: 9228 5665

Ky_88 · 31-07-2009, 09:19 AM

I saw a segment on the news last night in regards to this and it's good news they are looking in to it more. YAY!

However, all it is really doing is granting more time for all of us to amend our cars back to stock so we don't get in trouble when they meet again in September to discuss.

23-07-2009, 02:57 PM	#1
Ky_88 AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Newcastle NSW Car: 1998 Honda Civic CXi Hatchback Posts: 355	RTA Lowering Laws... Thoughts? Hey all, I just wondered what your thoughts are on the new RTA lowering laws they are introducing as of 1 August 2009. Not sure if it's Australia wide but NSW will sure be hit hard. I used to post on here frequently but stopped for quite some time and in the meantime I bought a car, (not the Astina I initially thought I would) a Honda Civic 98 Hatchback which was lowered by it's previous owner which means I'm now going to get stung by these new laws Being on my red P's I don't want to draw attention to myself but I also don't want to raise my car back to standard... bit of a pridicament I'm in I think! Some people in the newspaper and online yesterday made some valid points that this new law may put quite a few companies out of buisness. A petition has been started and this is where my boyfriend Paul and I were reading the viewers thoughts last night: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/94/he...ed-cars-in-nsw Thoughts? __________________ KYR-333 "I may be fat, but you're ugly. I can go on a diet!" www.myspace.com/cute_kizzie

23-07-2009, 03:07 PM	#2
bourbon The Hairy Mod Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: southside ya'll and North Side, Brissy Car: MINI Cooper S 2003 Posts: 8,110	thread had already been created http://www.astinagt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14788 but i dont remember seeing a petition. __________________ For All your crash repair panels & lights, clear lights contact us at PANEL HOUSE 45 RANDALL ST SLACKS CREEK QLD 4127 PHONE : 07 3808 8737 FAX : 07 3808 8735

23-07-2009, 03:25 PM	#3
Ky_88 AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Newcastle NSW Car: 1998 Honda Civic CXi Hatchback Posts: 355	Sorry I did look for it but couldn't find it. Yes the petition has been started. So far when I checked a moment ago there are 2012 signatures. I myself have signed it. There are an awful lots of good points made. __________________ KYR-333 "I may be fat, but you're ugly. I can go on a diet!" www.myspace.com/cute_kizzie

23-07-2009, 04:14 PM	#4
70NYD Veni, vidi, vici Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brisbane Car: 1996 BA Hatch & 2005 RX8 Posts: 4,911 View Photos By: 70NYD	yeah but out of those 2012 signatures 2000 (probably) are what government classifies as hoons so they wont listen to it __________________

23-07-2009, 04:44 PM	#5
Ghoru Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Rockhampton Car: '92 BG Astina Sp Posts: 999 View Photos By: Ghoru	dont start this thread again...it will get closed like the last one for same reason.... govt classification of a hoon = anyone under 26 with a vehicle that has anything that isnt factory standard __________________ BG Astina - work in progress.... Scooters are like fat chicks, fun to ride until your mates find out... NOS is like a hot chick with AIDS, you know you wanna hit that,your just afraid of the consequences... http://www.eveonline.com/

23-07-2009, 05:22 PM	#6
mike_d87 AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Newcastle Car: Astina Posts: 481 View Photos By: mike_d87	Their classification changes with the tide, it sucks. But there are also a lot of people who don't fit the description of a hoon that will be affected by these laws if they're brought into practise. The best way of avoiding attention is to not drive like these hoons (not saying you are one) and stay out of trouble, can't do much else.

24-07-2009, 09:38 AM	#7
Ky_88 AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Newcastle NSW Car: 1998 Honda Civic CXi Hatchback Posts: 355	I agree Mike. Goverment and Police think "hoons" are exactly as Ghoru described it. I'm a Red P Plater who (as my friends describe it) drives like a Nanna so I won't attract attention but the low profile of my car now will, whereas before it didn't. Oh well... the Goverment always do what they want anyway, whether the public think it fit or not. I don't want this thread closed nor do I want to become a slanging match between everyone, I was merely interested in peoples thoughts and I wasn't aware one had been started. Apologies for the duplicate thread. I also thought if some of you wanted to sign the petition that I would link it.. Thanks! __________________ KYR-333 "I may be fat, but you're ugly. I can go on a diet!" www.myspace.com/cute_kizzie

24-07-2009, 04:10 PM	#8
Ghoru Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Rockhampton Car: '92 BG Astina Sp Posts: 999 View Photos By: Ghoru	the only reason the last one got closed was because someone had an attitude problem that didnt sit right with the rest of us as far as i know it only applies to NSW for now...and even if it does happen in QLD it dont relly worry me simply because i wont have a need to lower my car 15 cm anyway __________________ BG Astina - work in progress.... Scooters are like fat chicks, fun to ride until your mates find out... NOS is like a hot chick with AIDS, you know you wanna hit that,your just afraid of the consequences... http://www.eveonline.com/

24-07-2009, 04:18 PM	#9
70NYD Veni, vidi, vici Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brisbane Car: 1996 BA Hatch & 2005 RX8 Posts: 4,911 View Photos By: 70NYD	it didnt sit right with certain individuals, not with everyone __________________

24-07-2009, 04:20 PM	#10
spenaroo AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: chirnside park, vic Car: 99 mx5 Posts: 407 View Photos By: spenaroo	mate i wouldnt worry, one of my church leaders is a cop and according to him most of the time a p-plater is ignored, they figure if their displaying plates there not gonna be braking the law or be in a stolen car. however this doesn't work if your car is loud or has ridiculously big rims while being lowered (eg 18"s on it) or if its scraping just dont argue with the cops or they will sting u hard, __________________ what the astina lacks in power it makes up 4 in handling straights are good for fast cars corners are for fast drivers

24-07-2009, 04:44 PM	#11
Ky_88 AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Newcastle NSW Car: 1998 Honda Civic CXi Hatchback Posts: 355	I'd be too scared to argue with the cops lol. I'd be more inclined to cry as I'd be ** scared because I've never been pulled over before except for an RBT. Yeah my car has legal rims on it and isn't as low as some cars around.. so I'm not too worried I just don't want the show cars to suffer due to the new laws. It would be such a shame to see business potentially go out of business and old car ethusiasts be penalised for the small percentage of idiots out there. __________________ KYR-333 "I may be fat, but you're ugly. I can go on a diet!"** www.myspace.com/cute_kizzie

24-07-2009, 05:23 PM	#12
70NYD Veni, vidi, vici Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brisbane Car: 1996 BA Hatch & 2005 RX8 Posts: 4,911 View Photos By: 70NYD	businesses wont loose customers, if anything they will get more.. problem is that ppl do it themselfs, and they can go around things. u take ur car to a garage to get it lowered or whatever they will do it and give u a plate, make it all nice and legal __________________

29-07-2009, 09:06 PM	#14
Rupewrecht Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: melb.vic.au Car: AZ-1, Astina Hardtop Turbo, BJ Protege, Beetle Posts: 16,525 View Photos By: Rupewrecht	Link, Ryan? __________________ jdmparts.rupewrecht.com Sourcing your not-quite-overnight parts from Japan WRECHT--\|--SLOWTEGE--\|--BEETLE--\|--SUBSTITUTE--\|--AZ-1

30-07-2009, 09:46 AM	#16
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30-07-2009, 09:58 AM	#17
Ky_88 AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Newcastle NSW Car: 1998 Honda Civic CXi Hatchback Posts: 355	Thank Rupe.. I will wait for the press release before I got too excited I think. However, I hope this is the case because NSW deserves further notice before such laws are implemented! __________________ KYR-333 "I may be fat, but you're ugly. I can go on a diet!" www.myspace.com/cute_kizzie

30-07-2009, 06:03 PM	#18
project.r.racing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: n/a Car: n/a Posts: 10,929	yup thats the link.

30-07-2009, 06:22 PM	#19
project.r.racing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: n/a Car: n/a Posts: 10,929	NSW MINISTER FOR ROADS MICHAEL DALEY MP NEWS RELEASE MINISTER AGREES TO FURTHER CONSULTATION ON CAR MODIFICATION LAWS Wednesday 29 July 2009 Minister for Roads Michael Daley today met with representatives from the 4WD community and car industry who asked for the introduction of proposed vehicle modification rules to be delayed and for more time to consult. Mr Daley said he agreed to put the rule changes on hold and that more consultation was needed following the meeting. “I’ve listened to feedback from the industry and the community, and have agreed to set up a working party to look more closely at how we are going to address this road safety issue,” he said. “All of those who attended today’s meeting agreed that safety is paramount and that unsafe modifications of vehicles do need be stamped out. “The working group will include representatives from the NSW Centre for Road Safety, Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT, Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association, the Australian 4WD Industry Council as well as other agencies and experts,” Mr Daley said. Executive Director of Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association Stuart Charity said this was a terrific outcome. “We’re passionate about road safety and we understand the intent of the regulation is to make the roads safer,” he said. We’re looking forward to working towards a practical solution that meets road safety objectives while also taking industry views into account,” Mr Charity said. Greg Redfern from Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT also welcomed the outcome and said the working group would have their full support. “We want to eliminate unsafe practices in the driving community and we’ll work with the government to make sure these new regulations meet those objectives without any adverse consequences for the motoring community at large,” he said. “We all agree that there is no place for extreme and illegal modifications, but the clubs in our association follow a strict code of conduct and ethics, and we want to make sure they’re not punished,” Mr Redfern said. Contact: 9228 5665

31-07-2009, 09:19 AM	#20
Ky_88 AstinaGT Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Newcastle NSW Car: 1998 Honda Civic CXi Hatchback Posts: 355	I saw a segment on the news last night in regards to this and it's good news they are looking in to it more. YAY! However, all it is really doing is granting more time for all of us to amend our cars back to stock so we don't get in trouble when they meet again in September to discuss. __________________ KYR-333 "I may be fat, but you're ugly. I can go on a diet!" www.myspace.com/cute_kizzie